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Epic story of being a crap husband. *very long*

382 replies

gshavik · 06/06/2016 20:56

Not sure what/where or particularly how to start but basically this...

Wife just buggered off with the children to her parents on Saturday. Piled them into the car and left with no goodbye, just 'you need to grow the fuck up'. Hasn't returned yet, no indications when that might happen presently.

Good start?

To expand, we're at a bit of impasse. I'm actually not even sure why but for once my conscience is totally clear and I'm pretty certain that I'm not being unreasonable. Consider this.

I have my own small business, which is in a difficult place just now as it doesn't yet run on its own without me (...work in progress), and our industry is in particularly challenging times. I used to work all the hours God sends (6am - 8pm was typical - sometimes longer - before our first child). That said it more than pays our bills and I've scaled back the work mainly to 9-6 these days in order to be at home more (her demands but I wanted to improve work/life balance too). Throw in the commute and that's about 8:30 - 6:30. Weekends are now virtually all ours.

She decided just before DC1 that she wanted to be a SAHM, which was fine with me but it meant all income now rests on my shoulders. OK - not a major problem but places a bit more stress on my abilities to provide for everything, replacing her salary. I don't mind that and I'm fortunate that I'm in a position where that was possible (at a push, but possible nonetheless).

A few years later and DC3 has been on the scene for some 10 months now and it's obviously a bit busy looking after the three children each day almost every day. I'm under no illusion as to how much of a handful they are (DC1 is about 3.5 YO just now) - but I help out with them as much as I can in the mornings, evenings and at the weekends. On one weekend day, she gets a lie-in, and the other day I get one. In theory. In practice my lie-in consists of having either DC2 or DC3 dumped on me in bed around 6:30 for maybe an hour or so (which I don't resent but it's supposed to be a lie-in...). Thereafter she makes a LOT of noise screaming and yelling at them for this or that, not to mention basically stomping around the house - hardly light underfoot - in a rather chaotic manner. Basically I don't really get the lie-in or sleep and I'm generally up and dressed by about 8:30-9ish because there is no chance of getting sleep. By comparison when she has her lie-in I try as far as possible to have them all contained in the sitting room with their breakfasts and nappy changes all done with fairly minimal fuss, keeping them all playing about and capering happily with basically no need for all the shouting that goes on when she is with them. Basically, it's doable with little to no chaos barring the odd unexpected mishap. These has been the pattern for months now. I'm not saying that I'm better at it - I really don't think that - but as I'll explain more later I'm growing more and more concerned that it's intentional, with a view to teaching me something.

So, our house, as you might imagine with three young children is prone to breakages. Wear and tear on most things would be high anyway I should imagine, and the replacement rate of stuff broken or worn out is ridiculous. Some of it is fair enough, I repaired our washing machine three times as after a few years of being overloaded or having stuff trapped in the door before starting the cycle took its toll. NBD - I'm pretty handy and replaced that. It had taken a few weeks of sizing up the possible options/performance/price and I got one at a bank-holiday sale to keep costs down. Hotpoint 8kg load, 1600rpm spin, 14 minute quick cycle. Great.
Same with the tumble drier - two days when it failed for the last time meant a ridiculous back log of washing that took about two weeks to clear up when the weather was bad over the winter there. Again, NBD, I found another one with 8kg load and had that installed one morning before heading into work. BTW; our electric bill over the winter quarter came to ~£1600. Yeah, that's right. Paid that.

I'm told we need a dishwasher now. OK, but we have a pretty small kitchen and fitting that isn't quite as straightforward as just replacing one. One 600mm cupboard has to be given up (there is already a lack of space) and the carcass hacked up a bit to accommodate. Plumbing, again NBD, but the real issue is the electrics - there is no socket in the back there. In fact, as it transpires (my friend is an electrician, and I know my way around electrics too), the electrics in the kitchen were previously bodged by another owner and the circuit run to the kitchen appears to be using the incorrectly sized cables - we'd discovered this sometime before the dishwasher raised its head. OK, now we have a problem and a potential fire risk if more consumers are added to the circuit, basically the old wiring needs to be replaced with a proper ring circuit, not sure to how many sockets off the top of my head but let’s say it'll take two people about a day to replace and re-wire. Suddenly fitting a dishwasher becomes a whole lot more involved. Enough detail?
So, I explained that this isn't going to be quick job and will need a good deal more than she imagined in order to realise the vision of zero-hassle dishwashing (ha). Not to be disheartened she got her father to give a second opinion whilst I was at work (I should say he means well but is a bit of a bodger with no particular electrical knowledge) - he glanced at the plumbing and the cupboard and stated he didn't see a particular problem. I got accused of being a liar - that was months ago. I am still, apparently, a liar.

A week ago, on a whim she decided that we now need a bigger whirly washing line. I feigned ignorance to the problem (seeing where the conversation was headed and already thinking what now...?), but apparently she wants to be able to get 3 full loads of washing done in ~45 minutes but the line isn't big enough to take that. Putting the physical problems of digging out the big concrete lump buried in the garden aside for a moment, how on earth can we generate 24kgs of washing that suddenly needs doing? Ok - nice weather, maybe get some bedding done, but SRSLY? I wouldn't argue that our existing whirly is a bit crap - 3 arms, not very big. However I've managed two good size loads onto it by thinking about the order stuff gets hung. I think the key concept being missed is staggering or planning or just generally 'keeping on top of it' - maybe easier said than done but still...

A couple months back, her car (a small MPV) got written off in a no-fault accident. Insurance pay out was ok but far from what was needed for a newer car. She wanted a 7-seater. It had to be a seven-seater. OK, so a Zafira it was then. A 13-plate Zafira, about 10k on the clock, superb condition. Good boot space for the buggies and shopping etc. Very practical. I spent weeks weighing up the pros and cons of these fire-prone cars, eventually finding one that was within a sensible price-range that already had the recall work done. It's never held 7 people in it. I doubt it ever will, but it absolutely had to be a 7-seater - her friend has one. Meanwhile, I bought it outright, had to take another hit to the wallet - to be fair I'd rather do that than get it on-tick. I don't grudge getting the car. I do grudge that she wouldn't drive me to the train station to go to collect it, and I grudge that she instead called her parents through from about 80 miles away for the sole purpose of driving me 12 miles to the train station. Frankly, I was a bit embarrassed about that. Clearly it was totally unreasonable of me to expect her to help me help her. I didn't get any thanks for the car until I mentioned the lack-thereof about a week later.

So what's the problem? Apparently none of that.

OP posts:
EttaJ · 07/06/2016 00:32

You sound like such an awful bully. I hope she doesn't come back. Your points, petty things all of them.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 07/06/2016 00:33

Her issue is trivial but the moss is the height of importance?

Do yourself a massive service tomorrow when you have a few minutes to your self have a read of your posts again, do so from the angle of her contribution to your family being just as inportant and valid as yours.

You may notice at times you appear to get it then you drop back into minimising her role and input again. It's quite obvious and noticable.

You said upthread you like doing practical DIY type stuff and your house is small with a lot of people in it.

She has requested a dishwasher there is little doubt that in your circumstamces one would make both of your lives easier.

I did see it would be a faff doing one because of the electrics, in reality and if you really really think about it if the addition of a dishwasher would make your house dangerious (as you said earlier it would) because of bodged electrics then they are already dangerious.So rather than fretting about floors and moss sort that bit out.its something you will enjoy doing and it's something she wants you to do
Win win for both of you.

KittyKrap · 07/06/2016 00:35

She probably deeply resents that I get to still be a professional whilst she is wiping noses or arses or spilling Diet Coke all over the place, much in the same way I'd rather play with the children

She isn't playing with the children all day though is she (or all night)? She is raising them. You're more bothered about Diet Coke and floors.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 07/06/2016 00:40

Now you have lost me

How exactly does an 8kg tumble dryer prevent overloading and destruction but a 9kg does not?

NeedsAsockamnesty · 07/06/2016 00:41

And stop referring to childcare as 'playing with kids' it's irritating incorrect and minimising her contribution to your family

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 07/06/2016 00:46

Ignore the finances. You can make it work if you want to. Ask her if it is what she wants and if it is then both of you make it happen.
Divorce is expensive.

Sort the whirlygig out as an olive branch and ask her if she wants to go to counselling.

Also perhaps now is the time to rewire the kitchen if the kids are not in the house that's a good opportunity to get it done. Then the dishwasher is at least an option and you're not causing pandemonium trying to do it when the kids are there.

LaPharisienne · 07/06/2016 00:46

I don't think you're a crap husband, just a frustrating one because she clearly wants X and you're delivering Y. Likewise, you care about Y and this is driving her mad because in her eyes, X is so incredibly important and ...wtf ...stop obsessing about Y! So she may not be as demanding/unreasonable as you feel she is - maybe she just wants different things to you!

You just need to sit down together, on your own without the children, and work out what X and Y consist of, understand why X / Y are important to the other person and then work out how to deliver more of what the other wants.

You know, maybe she agrees to pour the water down the drain instead of on the tarmac and you take the children off her hands when you get home each day for an hour so she gets some time to herself. I don't know! But once you each see the other trying to give you what you want/need, you'll start to like each other again I reckon :)

Good luck!

Ps. I reckon people will see your wife's PoV a lot on here because I think your different priorities are pretty common in straight relationships :)

Myusernameismyusername · 07/06/2016 00:47

Overall I think your question is;

is my wife unreasonable for behaving this way when I do so much for her?

If you think she is, then no one can probably convince you otherwise f all the other women in similar situations have told you how they felt and why. There is a really good chance she feels trapped and vulnerable in her life, not ungrateful to you. I think the more you focus on the material things or 'she said' you aren't getting to what the bottom of it is

Have you even spoken to her yet?

SolidGoldBrass · 07/06/2016 00:48

So she left you once already? You clearly didn't learn from that and have carried on nagging and belittling her and making her life harder.

Why did she come back? Did you promise to change your behaviour? Or did she have nowhere else to go?

gshavik · 07/06/2016 00:56

HowBadIsThisPlease - With the benefits of hindsight was there any substance to your husbands comments or were they simply because he could and therefore would?

I think I get your angle that you are on the outside of where you imagine we are just now? There are many times that 'just fuck it' enter my head when I can restrain my opinion if I feel that something is being done wrong because I don't want to sound like the Harry Enfield character 'You don't wanna do that... do this'. But, my abilities are practical and hers are very much emotional and obviously that is working too great for empathy right now. I really do not belittle her, I don't go behind her back or demolish or reduce her achievements, credit absolutely where it is due because our three lovely children are just amazing and that'd mainly from her choices and input in the formative years.

OP posts:
gshavik · 07/06/2016 00:59

SolidGoldBrass - I appreciate that my rant is probably sounding mysogynistic but refer to my reply above for HowBadIsThisPlease...

We're supposed to be on a two-way street. She has her input and is very forceful to fulfill her 'demands' for want of a better word, but my fairly simple requests are nagging? So any advice on what to do when fairly simple, trivial, well-intentioned requests go unheard or wilfully ignored?

OP posts:
gshavik · 07/06/2016 01:07

"Are you trying for another baby with your wife, OP? Have you stopped using protection. This sounds familiar."

PovertyPain - Snipped after DC3. They were all planned, DC3 snuck up a little earlier than anticipated, but you know what... no regrets on that side. We're very lucky to have had the chance, many obviously don't for whatever reason.

OP posts:
KittyKrap · 07/06/2016 01:08

So any advice on what to do when fairly simple, trivial, well-intentioned requests go unheard or wilfully ignored?

She wants a dishwasher. Use this time away to get the kitchen rewired for one. When she comes home organise marriage counselling for you both.

KittyKrap · 07/06/2016 01:12

There's a thread in the Chat section called 'times you were really proud of your DP'. Read it. No mention of moss and Diet Coke.

gshavik · 07/06/2016 01:22

KittyKrap - That was lined up for last Sunday as a bit of a surprise and olive branch. I had the materials purchased on the Friday, with my electrician mate was line up to do it until I cancelled at 11:30pm on Saturday with the flooring setbacks. I even took a look at whirlys at B&Q on Saturday afternoon. Saturday didn't exactly go to plan and flooring took longer than expected what with levelling the old subfloor and setting the screed overnight.
I'm not completely against these things in principle, however having had dishwashers in the past I personally found that there wasn't much overall benefit after scraping the food of the dishes, pre-rinsing, loading, emptying and inevitably having to dry some of the still wet items. And in any respect I reckon for the last few months anyway I've done virtually all of the weekday evening/teatime dishes, milk bottles etc, and pretty much all of the weekend dishes. I get that it's not fun but it's not insurmountable living with a dishwasher and definately a first-world problem. Even still I am prepared to (grudgingly to some degree) do it, buy the dishwasher and so on. But when should I expect any heed to my requests be taken?

OP posts:
ImNotChangingMyUsernameAgain · 07/06/2016 01:27

I haven't RTFT, but have we got to the stage where the DW pops up and posts her side of the story? Then the whole row plays out on MN like a bad episode of Jeremy Kyle until the thread gets zapped for being iffy?

Valentine2 · 07/06/2016 01:33

"But, my abilities are practical and hers are very much emotional "
Do you belong to some Asian culture OP? This sounds like a translation from something. My guess is South Asia.

DioneTheDiabolist · 07/06/2016 01:33

OP What's with the Diet Coke? It seems to have really upset you.Sad

If you want to save your marriage, buy the dishwasher. It will change her life. Then ask her if counselling is still on the cards.

Clangersarepink · 07/06/2016 01:38

OP, posting this here when you know she reads MN is seriously not cool. I'm minded to report to MN and I've never done that before. Yes, it's anonymous but having her dirty laundry literally aired in public is going to make her feel really, really shit about herself (and you). Either you want her to feel shit, or, to be quite frank, you're struggling to see her as a thinking, feeling person.

Here's my advice:

  1. Ask MN to delete this thread.
  2. Seek counselling for yourself.

You have, I think, reached a point where you cannot see this from an objective perspective. A counsellor or therapist can help you find it. Unless you do this, my advice to your wife is (irrespective of her level of fault) to end the relationship. It is not normal to be arguing with people on MN about petty details like the pros and cons of a dishwasher when your marriage is falling apart.

There's a limit to what we can do here on MN, and you can't fix this by yourself because you're so emotionally caught up in this situation. It's time to put on your big boy pants and speak to someone trained in helping people in your situation.

Now please ask for this thread to be deleted, hopefully your DW won't have seen it yet. Some things you can't undo.

Valentine2 · 07/06/2016 01:39

Altogether the list and the cost of the things she has "demanded" So far belong to the work she is doing for your family right now. I think you should simply shut up and make her life easier by buying these things no matter what you think about their proper use or whatsoever. You do realise this is a woman who has completely turned around her life for an unpaid 24/7 and no break no holiday job, do you??? Because you most certainly look like you don't.
DH once tried to tell me why we probably don't need a rice cooker because I cook perfect rice without it. I told him to shove his opinion where the sun doesn't shine. I do cooking. I make decisions. Full stop.

gshavik · 07/06/2016 01:41

Myusernameismyusername - We did speak more words this afternoon than we have for a couple of weeks now. It didn't really go well as it normally goes reconciliatry for the first minute before going back to the path we've been on recently. I dunno, it really is like we are talking on two different planes, about two different things, in two different languages.

NeedAsockamnesty - I didn't mean to infer that child care was just playing with kids - I soooo know that is not the case - I was trying to convey that the grass is greener on the other side and lost it in translation at this time of night.

Anyway I think this has run its course. Thanks all for reading/contributing and certainly giving some points to think about. In summation the weight of opinion is certainly that I'm wrong, and outright haters aside I appreciate the comments. FWIW I'll reconsider counselling but I still can't rationalise satisfying her demands whilst mine go ignored. I outright don't agree with the bullying angle as this is not at all one-sided, but I can see how it could appear that way from what I've shared.

Goodnight.

OP posts:
Valentine2 · 07/06/2016 01:43

"Either you want her to feel shit, or, to be quite frank, you're struggling to see her as a thinking, feeling person." < this

There is another possibility too. You do know she has feelings etc but don't really give them importance. To me, that's the worst thing here. Indifference is a poison with no cure.

NightWanderer · 07/06/2016 02:37

I read it all. My first thought was that she seems really unhappy. I would be furious if my husband spent an entire weekend on a huge DIY project that meant we couldnt use the living room. Especially if thete were more pressing issues at hand. Do you help with things like washing up? Or do you do the fun stuff, bathtime, playing and the odd nappy change? Did you help sort out the washing when it got backed up? Or did you just complain that you didnt have any socks? Either way, I think you need to really listen to your wife and really take on board what she is saying.

PlaydoughGirl · 07/06/2016 04:26

FWIW I'll reconsider counselling but I still can't rationalise satisfying her demands whilst mine go ignored.

PlaydoughGirl · 07/06/2016 04:26

FWIW I'll reconsider counselling but I still can't rationalise satisfying her demands whilst mine go ignored.

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