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Going out of my mind, husband leaving/left/thinking/pissing about PART 2

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garlicbreathing · 28/04/2016 17:04

Follow on to my first thread about the lead up to the leaving, to the conversation to the aftermath. And it's a big aftermath.

First Part here- www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2622798-Im-about-to-lose-my-mind-here-I-think-DH-is-going-to-leave-me-tonight

OP posts:
offside · 04/05/2016 12:09

well he fell ill during the coversation.

But as I have said on a couple of occasions, she doesn't have to answer to him as much as he doesn't have to answer to her. Like you said, none of this would have happened if the conversation wasn't engaged in the first place. OP needs to disengage from any approach from husband to discuss relationship particulars such was raised and each should stay out of personal space. If the husband was posting on here, I would be sayiing to him that he shouldn't have approached her,, but he isn't, so my opinion is based on the OPs actions and what she could do to make the transition from husband and wife to flatmates, easier.

garlicbreathing · 04/05/2016 12:14

I don't know how he is today. I don't see him in the mornings, but he is away to work so he's not unwell enough to be off.

OP posts:
TimeforaNNChange · 04/05/2016 12:24

Although he's using the word controlling, I don't think he means 'control' . I get the feeling that what he means is that he hasn't acted on his opinions & values, and has gone along with yours by default.

But does he know what his own values and opinions are? I very much doubt it. It sounds to me as if he has never spent any time self reflecting, he's just gone along with whatever happens in his life without giving it any thought.

You suggested living together, marriage, children. You suggested moving out when you have problems in your marriage. You then move back in again. You suggested flat-sharing. He's never proposed an alternative. He never disagreed. He has handed you the reins of his life, which you have been steering, alongside your own life. You're not controlling him, you are going your own way and he is being taken with you. (I say this assuming that he didn't ever disagree - if he did and was silenced or ignored, then that is a very different dynamic).

But, it's not just you who steers him. His mum suggests he talk to you about her problem with your mum. He could have said no, had his own opinion, decided on his own what to do. He even met with a friend before talking to you last week - what's the betting the friend suggested what he say to you, too?

Does he actually know who he is? What he wants? Does he like himself? What does happiness look like for him? (It's easy to say "I'm not happy", but the important thing is understanding what will make you happy, and why).

These are not your questions to answer. He has to spend the time discovering these things out for himself. He may never do so.

Snoringlittlemonkey · 04/05/2016 12:25

What's the long term plan here OP? Are you going to sell the flat and split the equity? I think you should both focus on bringing this situation to an end, it isn't good for either of you.

Whatever reasons he had for ending it, it's done with now. You may find out, you may not and it's also possible that any explanation he gives you may not satisfy you, so you need to be prepared for this.

Has he talked about taking the next step and formally separating? It should be a clean break and fairly quick to sort out.

Conversations should focus on the next step and getting you both back on an even keel in your separate lives.

garlicbreathing · 04/05/2016 12:35

I agree time, I don't know if he even knows himself. I am angry and upset when he describes me as controlling, as to me that paints me in a very poor light where I make his life a misery and he had no opportnuity to live how he wanted to live. This wasn't the case, he had his own interests, if he didn't tell me that his opinion wasn't heard, I went along in blissful ignorance that he was happy with my choices.

I don't have a long term plan. Not yet. Ideally I'd like to save some money, sell, split equlity and buy somewhere else myself for me and my dog. But if I've learned anything in the past couple weeks, I can't rely on a plan. I have an idea how I want things to go, but it can change so quickly and if he's still not making things clear and telling me how he's planning things to go, then I can only do so much. He may want to buy me out. He may want to move out himself. He may want to give things a go (I need to get this idea out of my head asap). I just don't know.

OP posts:
mix56 · 04/05/2016 12:38

He does sound like a wet lettuce, I can see why you need to "guide" him, he is completely child like & has no gumption whatsoever.
Next time if he wishes to talk you go into neutral space. (I hope you thew all his toys out of your bedroom ); He should be using his own toilet. (& cleaning his own space). Do not help him in any way, if his mum doesn't want to see your mum, she could just say, "I dont think it's appropriate at the moment."
I think when you stop doing everything for him he will suddenly realise that your "controlling" was just "getting things done". I think you will come through this separation and realise the guy is a complete child.... Imagine having a baby, with him on the console & you doing everything as he isn't grown up enough to get on board.
I agree he should be the one apologising for being such a carpet, & rolling over without ever saying, "Actually I don't/like/enjoy/want X Y or Z", or "I envisaged it this way", or just a simple "NO".

Wasting your time & your dad's money.

FlyingScotsman · 04/05/2016 12:51

DH told me I was controlling too. That was because I started to meal plan for the week 🙄
Needless to say, there was no issue with control but big issues in the relationship, incl the fact he just cannot express his pov, hates arguments so he only states his opinion when not doing so would put him in an untenable situation.
Fwiw he loves meal planning now ...,

AllwaysBeYouraelf · 04/05/2016 13:06

All this slating of her husband is unfair. We don't know him. Garlic said he was a kind happy loving man. He had told her before all this that for him the pressure of trying to conceive had caused their relationship to lose all its fun. Garlic mentioned that for her she felt it best to carry on and get it all out if the way so they could have their happy family. She said she had terrible moods when AF came and her husband found this hard to live with. Just before he went cold on her she said she had been in a terrible mood when on her period.
This says it all. He had tried to express his feelings but Garlic you didn't take him seriously and carried on with your own agenda. I think your last mood was the straw that broke the camels back. We don't know him but he doesn't sound to have done anything particularly out of order. He has just had enough. He has lost his feelings for you. Him telling you that for him you were too controlling is the way it is for him. Your Mum and Dad are being controlling telling you to go and sort it out too. They should just take a back seat and be supportive.

AllwaysBeYouraelf · 04/05/2016 13:39

You also said that you told him when you moved in together that you expected to get married etc. Wouldn't you have liked him to propose to you because he had wanted to himself not because it was part of your life plan? I don't mean to be harsh but it does sound like you planned everything and he is more the easy going type.

AllwaysBeYouraelf · 04/05/2016 13:42

Garlic there will be a man out there who loves you for who you are and your qualities will balance out his in a positive way but for your husband it was not what he wanted. Sometimes it's that simple.

GarlicShake · 04/05/2016 14:14

Although he's using the word controlling, I don't think he means 'control' . I get the feeling that what he means is that he hasn't acted on his opinions & values, and has gone along with yours by default. But does he know what his own values and opinions are? I very much doubt it. It sounds to me as if he has never spent any time self reflecting

Agree with every word of your post, Time.

I don't quite understand why so many PPs, on this thread and the first, are so keen to paint you as 'controlling', garlic. Nothing you've said points to it. While I'm here, I may as well add that some have pretty strange ideas of how flat-sharing works! Whether unwelcome transitional arrangements with a partner or gumtree-generated shares, they are living together relationships that have to be negotiated with many conversations. It's an unusual flat-share that never needs mention of bathroom habits & hygiene.

Also agree that he and/or his mum was literally asking you to interfere between the mothers. That's hardly the action of a person who feels trapped by a rabid control freak. In my opinion, it simply cannot be true that you bulldozed him into marriage, ttc, and everything else he now claims to regret. He may have made choices due to his own complete lack of backbone, but presumably he showed enthusiasm at the time or you would have noticed!

You might never know the full reasons for his sudden change of mind. Either way, it's true that it's happened and you are where you are. Don't let strangers on a website undermine you. Hope work's being nice to you today :)

AllwaysBeYouraelf · 04/05/2016 14:26

Sorry Garlicshake but everything she has said shows her to have managed the whole relationship. He was in love and wanted to please her but it would seem that his feelings have now gone by what he feels is her having controlled things so much. His feelings are equally relevant. We only hear one side but from everything Garlic has said on here, she has been the driving force behind their relationship and he doesn't want it any more. Could still be that he has had his head turned and fallen in love with someone else which has caused him to see that he wasn't happy but whatever the reason, he wasn't happy and came out and told her before they went any further towards having children.

GarlicShake · 04/05/2016 14:37

I'm not fundamentally disagreeing with what you say, Always. It boils down to "he just doesn't love enough", whatever the intricacies of that. Where I strongly disagree is that garlic needs to change anything about her personality!

"Controlling" is abusive behaviour. I see no evidence of that whatsoever - on either side.

FlyingScotsman · 04/05/2016 14:44

I'm not sure the need to put the responsibility on the OP or her H.
Sometimes it's just that the two personalities aren't working well together
i dont believe that the OP is particularly controlling. Nor do I think it's all her H fault for not talking (or making it out that's the issue now).
It sounds more a case where both could have done things slightly differently. And if they had, it might or it might not have worked out. Who knows.

FlyingScotsman · 04/05/2016 14:46

I also don't think k it's an issue if 'not loving enough'. That puts the responsibility right on her H shoulders.
But sometimes you can live all you can and not be able to overcome personal issues. Or just not getting on well with one person, despite loving them.

AllwaysBeYouraelf · 04/05/2016 14:49

I don't think she needs to change her personality either Garlicshake and I said as much. That she will meet someone who will love her just the way she is and will appreciate her strengths. But for her husband he feels what he feels and he has implied that he felt controlled. He had told OP how he felt but OP went ahead anyway. No one is wrong but for him he felt controlled throughout apparently. Garlic has implied that she was this way and that she did feel culpable in this respect.

diddl · 04/05/2016 14:49

Doesn't sound controlling to me more like adult/child!

Wtf has it got to do with the Op if his mum doesn't want to meet hers?

Just say no!

Maybe the apple didn't fall far from the tree as regards making a decision for oneself!

AllwaysBeYouraelf · 04/05/2016 14:53

You could say the same with the apple not falling far from the tree with regard to her family too though. Her parents pushed her to go home to him and sort it out . Now the Mum is wanting to try and interfere through his Mum. You don't get involved as parents. You just sit back and be there for them if they need you.

Iamdobby63 · 04/05/2016 15:05

Controlling is a very strong word and isn't what I see here.

No one forced him down on one knee that day in the kitchen, no one frog marched him up the aisle.

AllwaysBeYouraelf · 04/05/2016 15:11

We know nothing really about the dynamics of their relationship though. Garlic understandably sees things from her point of view and her husband from his. We don't know his side and never will so can only surmise how he feels. Without knowing him and listening to him though we only have OPs biased view.

AllwaysBeYouraelf · 04/05/2016 15:13

It's all very well to support Garlic but unfair and unhelpful to call her husband spineless and man child etc when we have no idea.

GarlicShake · 04/05/2016 15:34

Actually I do see it as spineless to play along with happily married, home-building and ttc, then pull off a complete switch in less than a fortnight. He made no apparent effort to discuss his concerns with his wife, just went from warm to cold without warning. It's a vicious thing to have to live through, as many on here have done - usually as the consequence of an affair, it must be said.

Garlic's first post was about his emotional U-turn and her fears that this meant the end of their marriage - and she was pulled apart for that! She was insecure & clingy in the first thread; now she's rigid & controlling Confused MN is magic sometimes Wink

OrangesandLemonsNow · 04/05/2016 15:36

Maybe the apple didn't fall far from the tree as regards making a decision for oneself!

Or maybe people are jumping to conclusions.

GarlicShake · 04/05/2016 15:44

Oh, for heavens sake, Oranges. This is a discussion. If no-one ever commented until they had full written evidence following cross-examination of both sides, there wouldn't be many forums would there?

If you have new ideas about why Mr Garlicbreath asked OP to control her mother's invitations, why not share them? That's how discussions normally work ...

FWIW, I wonder if he hasn't told his family about their split. Or he has, and his mum knows stuff he doesn't want getting back to his wife.

Whatever the reason, fact remains he asked her to control it!

OrangesandLemonsNow · 04/05/2016 15:54

Garlic you aren't the thread police.

I posted a comment.

You can't demand what people do and don't talk about or what they say.

I do think conclusions are being jumped to. All of a sudden his parents can't apparently make decisions for themselves.

There is reading between the lines and reading between the lines.