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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Springing Into Some Warmer Weather, Staying Sober Togeher

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Mouseface · 30/03/2016 00:05

Hi, tis me, Mouse

Welcome to the Bus. We're delighted to have you here :) Not because if you're new to the Babes you are here for help, but because we welcome every kind of drinker. And for all of the reasons life throws at you.

Those that do drink, those that don't drink and of course those who do but don't want to say just how much..............

We've all had our own personal Groundhog Day , some still are and don't want to remain trapped in the same cycle day in, day out, and some still are and want to be which is fine and why we're here.

To talk, to listen, to just be us, like you are YOU. You never know, one day you might just want to wake up on a different day? :) There's no judging here, no 'sides.

After all, something made you click on and read this :)

Come say hi! We even do Brew & Cake if you're super quick!!

And if you want to see what we got up to in the last thread, have a look RIGHT HERE

And this is where our adventure began, almost six years ago now!!

ALMOST SIX YEARS AGO...........

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Elba84 · 03/04/2016 22:34

Tomorrow is going to be an AF day...if I post it here maybe I'm more likely to actually stick to it?! Tried to write more but it won't let me post either

Elba84 · 03/04/2016 22:39

Last night was a disgusting 17 unit/ 1400 calorie failure. Have been ignoring voicemail to phone GP surgery last week as I'm sure it will be about blood results and I'm scared to find out. So have to see if I can manage to do just one bloody night without.

Mouseface · 03/04/2016 22:57

Evening, tis me, a very Envy

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marfisa · 03/04/2016 23:23

Hello and hugs to you, genie, and big congrats to you on your 9 weeks! That's amazing! Flowers

I was the queen of barely touching a glass of wine while out for the evening with friends - but then coming home and putting down a bottle (or more) behind closed doors

Oh god, yes to this. The vast majority of my problem drinking was done in secret, and even now, I don't find it difficult to stay sober when I'm out socialising with friends - I find it much more triggery to be alone at home or in the private enclosed space of my office, when I'm feeling anxious or down. Those are the times when I still sometimes really crave a drink.

But yes, it does get easier, god yes! There's a little book published by AA called Living Sober that I found very helpful in the beginning - it has practical tips on how to distract yourself and ride out cravings, etc. The evenings were definitely my hardest time too, early on. I drank a lot of chilled beverages - tonic water with ice and lime, Becks Blue (alcohol-free beer is controversial - some people avoid it as they feel it increases their craving for the real thing, but for me, I've found it's been fine). Just going to bed early can help too. But seriously, I suspect the only thing that really works is time. You just have to ride out the difficult early days. Sorry that's not very helpful! I remember someone with long-term sobriety telling me that the cravings would eventually subside, and I was incredulous. But it's true; on the vast majority of evenings now, the thought of a drink never crosses my mind. Hurrah!

I don't keep any alcohol in the house though. I don't want to open the fridge or the cupboard and have the possibility of drinking cross my mind.

Also, if I'm going to be perfectly honest, to some degree I've substituted evening food snacking for evening alcohol consumption. Blush Obvs this isn't ideal but it's proof to me that addictive tendencies are part of who I am more generally. It's very tempting to overdose on sugar/fat late at night in the same way that I used to overdose on alcohol. At the beginning, when I was working so hard to stay sober, I didn't worry about the overeating too much. (Your body is craving the sugar that it used to get from the alcohol anyway.) But now I'm trying to focus more on eating well and eating less erratically. Still, all things considered, snacking on junk food is not going to put me at risk of losing my family, my job and my life in the same way that alcoholism was doing. I've put on some weight since getting sober (to anyone reading this, PLEASE don't let it put you off sobriety!). I think it's more common to lose weight rather than gaining weight when you stop drinking, because alcohol has so many calories, but in my case, I think I was drinking instead of eating proper food, and once I started enjoying food again (plus doing the late-night snacking), I gained weight. But it's a measure of how happy I am to be sober that I would rather be a bit overweight and off the booze rather than skinny and completely alcohol-dependent!

I also often chew gum now in the evenings. A rather disgusting habit, but again, better than drinking.

A lot of AA members still smoke like fiends, I've noticed! I've never smoked (sigh of relief).

Some people also turn into exercise fanatics, apparently. Weirdly enough this hasn't happened to me. Grin

Everyone is different and you just have to keep finding a way to cope that works for you (to paraphrase venus 's wise words above). But please please do carry on, because it does get easier!

Elba84 · 03/04/2016 23:44

marfisa if I turned up at an AA meeting with the intention of having the occasional day without drinking rather than abstinence (for now) would that be supported? Been toying with the idea of going but too scared to even phone let alone just turn up at a meeting and I can't think about never drinking again.

marfisa · 03/04/2016 23:53

Have just seen your post, mouse. Thanks so much for the inspiring words. You are amazing. And curses on the period pain and nausea - that sounds dreadful. Sad

Elba, you are being very brave. You can do it, babe! Every day is a new beginning. You will get there, I know you will.

Wry, darling wry, how I've missed your inimitable prose! I don't think anyone has called me sweetpea for about, um, 30 years? Grin I'm touched that you remember my book. I'm still working on it. Some things never change. Ahem. When it comes to the beautiful garden though I think you must be thinking of sweetlathyrus, not me! She's an academic with a green thumb. My garden is a muddy, neglected slugfest. Speaking of sweet, I hope you're OK, love!

Love to claret, noapril, isinde, faire, newmama and everyone else.

And ma, the General is gorgeous! So happy for you! I adopted a young rescue cat about three months ago: a slim, black girl. Her mum and siblings had already been adopted from the shelter she was the last to find a home and she was more traumatised than I had thought she would be. The shelter staff told me they thought she would warm up straight away but in fact she hid under the bed in the loft for a good two months (!). Very gradually she has become bolder and now she comes downstairs to see me almost as soon as the DC are out of the house or asleep - she seems uncannily aware of their movements. She is cuddled next to me on the sofa as I type and this is a special event indeed, as tonight and last night are the first times she has cuddled up to me. She's still quite skittish in general but I have hopes of her settling into an affectionate family cat or an affectionate one-person cat as long as the person in question is me. My DH says it's typical of me to have adopted a neurotic pet rather than a "normal" one (ha! what does normal mean anyway?!). His parting line to me when I was leaving for the shelter was a plaintive, "You won't choose one with a missing limb or a terminal illness will you?" I confess I do have mild saviour tendencies - neglect myself and my family, but save a cat, yay! Hmm G'night anyway from me and my feline Amazon.

marfisa · 04/04/2016 00:16

Hi Elba and sorry, it's taking me so long to type posts that I'm out of sync with the thread. In answer to your question, yes, that would be totally OK. Lots of people attend AA meetings for months or even years before getting sober. The AA traditions state that 'the only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking' and I suspect that for lots of newcomers, it's a desire to stop drinking, but not a desire to stop drinking forever! I certainly didn't have that desire at the beginning. What I had was more a desire to get my drinking under control. The mantra is 'one day at a time', not 'no drinking forever'.

As with any group of people, you may occasionally come across a member who is dogmatic or judgemental (who thinks that their own personal experience of getting sober is the one and only way to do it and that everyone else should do exactly as they have done). But the vast majority of people I've met in AA are not judgemental at all, and if anyone DOES try to tell you what to do, then they aren't being true to the spirit of the organisation.

Meetings also vary a lot in terms of atmosphere - some are big, some are small and intimate, some are quite traditional, some have a more informal/quirky feel. It's good to go to different meetings, early on especially, to get a feel for where you feel most at home.

People introduce themselves by saying 'Hi, I'm X and I'm an alcoholic' but you don't have to say that, you can just say, 'Hi, I'm X'. Talking about yourself is referred to as 'sharing' but you don't have to share unless you want to - if people are going around in a circle you can just say 'I'd like to pass, please.' Some newcomers share right away; others might go for weeks or months before they feel comfortable sharing. There are no rules and no one will put pressure on you. The most relaxing thing early on may just be to listen and see if you hear anything useful.

The benefit of phoning ahead is that someone can look out for you to greet you when you show up, but you don't need to phone ahead. Some meetings are better than others at greeting newcomers - the best/bravest thing to do would be to introduce yourself to someone before or after the meeting so that they know you're new (at which point they will probably offer you their phone number). But it's also often possible to slip in and out of a meeting without anyone taking much notice. Lots of different people turn up at meetings (visitors from out of town, etc) so no one will bat an eyelid.

I don't know where you live but in the unlikely event you're in my city (think dreaming spires) I would love to meet up with you. Smile

Elba84 · 04/04/2016 13:10

marfisa thank you so much, that definatly makes the thought of trying a meeting less daunting. Just have to pluck up the courage to actually go- I'm quite shy so things like that are a challenge. I don't think I am in your city sadly (if I've worked out the dreaming spires thing correctly!) which is a shame as you sound so lovely.

Am at work so posting quickly, but I'm determined that tonight I'm not going to drink. Just one night. Have to keep saying it otherwise I will start making excuses and we know what will happen.

Hope everyone's having a good day xx

ClaretAndBlue30 · 04/04/2016 13:45

elba you can do it - distract distract distract. Take it minute by minute if you have to. I will be encouraging you from afar
Flowers

I stumbled last night but it's made me even more resolute to have a good month. I didn't benefit AT ALL from drinking and was up at 5am with a sugar rush. On the plus side i stopped before I finished a bottle and tipped it away.

Tonight I will be af and it'll be my 3rd af day this month.

venusandmars · 04/04/2016 14:04

elba please don't let your shyness put you off - in fact I think an AA meeting is a fab place for any shy person: you can arrive quietly (or you can arrange to meet someone beforehand); you can speak in the meeting, or you can pass and listen to everyone else; you can hang around and have a coffee or you can slip away afterwards. You can say that you're drinking, or you can say it's 4 hours sober. And all of that is Ok.

Personally, AA wasn't really my spiritual home (if you know what I mean) but I've been to a fair few groups and each one has added something to my life.

Fairenuff · 04/04/2016 14:21

Well done for getting right back on it Claret Smile

WillAndDisgrace · 04/04/2016 15:03

Hello....

I do t know where to turn. I know if I carry on I'll end up dead, I'm a disgrace. I'm sat here with a fat lip and grazes all over my face because I got too drunk, tried to hit that land lady of the pub...the police got call and my DH had to come and get me and I fell over. I've also chipped my tooth. I can't just have a few clearly, I'm so ashamed. I just have to stop. Full stop. I'm going to end up dead like my mum otherwise. :( please tell me I'll be ok. I seek like an utter scum bag today and my poor DS deserves better.

ClaretAndBlue30 · 04/04/2016 15:16

No time to post as at work but will big hugs, be kind to yourself today. You are in the right place FlowersCake

And thanks faire I was embarrassed to buckle so quickly but I'm determined to rectify it.

WillAndDisgrace · 04/04/2016 15:25

Thank you, If I'm honest I've been drinking way too much for too long. It's like history is repeating itself. I want to be around as long as possible for my son and I won't be if I carry on down this path. I want to be a good person again

WillAndDisgrace · 04/04/2016 16:47

You'll find me not curled up at the back of the bus...but in the boot where I belong.

WillAndDisgrace · 04/04/2016 17:01

You know I actually fell of the back of a route master bus, going down passed the ritz hotel! I had a bottle of wine in my coat that my friend and I had got to take home from the pub! Lucky I only hurt myself and didn't get run over, or the bottle break and stab me.

Yes...i'll stay in the boot Sad Brew

dementedma · 04/04/2016 19:32

Travelling in the boot is not allowed will And anyway, horrid baby doll lives there
If you don't feel up to travelling on the bus, you can ride in the sidecar and we will keep an eye on you and chuck in bacon butties and stuff. You are under the thrall of the wine witch...that doesn't make you a bad person. Hold on to that and stick with us.

Mouseface · 04/04/2016 20:44

Evening, tis me, mouse

Thank you Marfisa xx

Ma - FFS woman have you not got rid of that damn doll yet? Phft!

Grin

Right, I'm sorry but I have to go and sort my little chap for bed, not DH Ma! before you get any smutty ideas! Nemo and DH are going to West Midlands' Safari park tomorrow so, DD and I are going shopping and having lunch.

Be back soon I hope, I'll try to catch up too!! :) xxxx

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WillAndDisgrace · 04/04/2016 21:39

I want to go and apologies to the land lady and staff at the pub, I know it's the right thing to do but I can't face it right now. I'll have to wait for my face to headland do the walk of shame. I'm in my mid 30's ffs. What a mess

venusandmars · 04/04/2016 21:42

will one of my big wake up calls was when I fell over at home and got massive carpet burns on my face, and my dp had to pick me up and put cool packs on my face to stop it bruising.

You can get better from here - it really is possible, whatever ups and downs you go through. I hope you're feeling better tonight. Come and join in - we've all been in a place where we feel crap and worthless, and little by little, it all improves.

WillAndDisgrace · 04/04/2016 21:50

Apparently I was trying to run into the road, that's scares the crap out of me, I could have died. I never want to be that out if it again. If that means never drinking again then so be it. I just know I'll be all positive now but come the weekend I'll be wanting a drink.

dementedma · 04/04/2016 22:06

mouse you think a bit of tape will stop horridbabydoll? She is possessed I tell you.
will try not to dwell on it. We have all fallen off this bus into the gutter and lain there, face down in a pile of puke with our knickers on show.And every time, this bus rolls past, someone leans out of the window and hauls us on board,provides water, paracetamol, a comfy bed, a listening ear, a kick up the arse or a slap in the face with a wet squid.
Tomorrow is another day.

Elba84 · 04/04/2016 22:49

claret thank you lovely. And well done, sounds like your determined!

will welcome. Your not a disgrace or a bad person, but I can totally relate to that horrible sense of shame. I cringe when I think of some of the things I have done when drunk. Hope you can be kind to yourself tonight.

venus I know your right...just need to pluck up the courage to go.

I'm just back from work and drinking diet ginger beer wishing it was something stronger. I have alcohol in the house and I'm so tempted. Almost feels like something is missing/wrong if I don't drink, just trying to distract myself but so twitchy and anxious. But if I can't manage one sodding night then I'm screwed really aren't I?!

Elba84 · 05/04/2016 01:00

Success! In bed and no alcohol. Been doing one of those adult colouring books I bought ages ago as a distraction, which sounds daft but really helped. Going to watch something on the iPad until I hopefully fall asleep. I think it must be at least 8 years since I had an AF night through choice rather than work etc, and even then they were rare. I wouldn't of managed without the support of all you lovely people, you've all helped me so so much Flowers

ClaretAndBlue30 · 05/04/2016 01:34

elba well done!!! You'll feel fantastic tomorrow. I use those adult colouring books too, find them a great distraction and something I just cba to do if I'm drinking.

Just been up with DD in the night; so much easier sober. Night babes.

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