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hurtandconfued2016 · 15/03/2016 22:48

Just wondering my ex asked (more like demanded) me today when we where registering our daughter when he could see the kids again. Hasn't seen our son in a month and only met his daughter today (2 weeks old). I said that he couldn't take new baby away on his own I would need to be there whilst he is seeing her. He went mental at me and has now not bothered to make plans to see them tomorrow.
My question is would you give your 2 week old away for hours? I suggested going to soft play or something and we could rotate with the kids so we didn't have to sit near each other but he said no to that too..

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hurtandconfued2016 · 02/04/2016 15:57

It seems you can't help ever g** just drop our son off and that's it! I could see the point if I was out or what ever but I am in hospital! I know your parents are happy to help and I'm greatfull that they are it's nice to know that someone is there if I need them for our children! As a dad I would expect your children to be a priority not second in your life but that is obviously not the case here! Drop him off and again it's back to lawyers I had been forthcoming with you for the kids sitting in a house with you who wouldn't even say thanks when I handed you something so you could spend time with your daughter, going through your parents when we weren't supposed to be and also you where supposed to be there if I needed emergency childcare but you aren't I'm absolutely done!

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hurtandconfued2016 · 02/04/2016 15:58

Well ladies he text me through his dad saying I'm going out my parents will keep our son. I have well and truly lost my sh** this is the text I have just sent him after he told me he will only look after our son on the days he agreed!

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AcrossthePond55 · 02/04/2016 16:28

Well, he's shown plain as day what his priorities are. Again, CUT. HIM. OUT! You are so beating a dead horse!!!!

As of now, do not contact him again, period. Do not plan any future access days. If his parents want to see DC they can contact you directly.

Iamdobby63 · 02/04/2016 16:39

Did you send that text through to his Dad's phone? Hopefully his Dad read it as well so they won't be turning up on for whenever the next visit is.

Now is the time to dig your heals in and make him realise that you won't allow yourself or your children to be treated like this. Make sure you stick to it, let him contact his lawyers for visitation if he chooses to, don't get your solicitors involved in visitation this time unless he raises it.

Iamdobby63 · 02/04/2016 16:39

Ps, how are you doing? Is your family with you?

hurtandconfued2016 · 02/04/2016 16:50

Yeah I had to send that to his dad's phone. Even if they show up I won't be answering the door!
He has said he is always there for his kids but he isn't there to help me!
I'm okay I'm with my mum still waiting for a doctor had bloods and x ray done

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Iamdobby63 · 02/04/2016 16:56

That's quite funny he would say that he is always there for his kids, perhaps he has said it to himself so often he believes it. He is an arse and in the long run you are so much better off without him.

Glad Mum is with you, hope everything ends up ok health wise.

Iamdobby63 · 02/04/2016 16:58

I would be so ashamed if he was my son, probably would have disowned him by now.

Janus · 02/04/2016 17:52

Can I suggest that you write everything down as clearly as possible as a sort of diary but very matter of fact - ie
Tuesday 20th March - offered acunbag to babe the children for 2 hours. He said he couldn't as he didn't have time, etc. Not too much information, just stick to facts.
If you keep this diary you will always know that you can show it to your children to prove you have given so many chances to the loser but he came up with all the excuses.
You now need to text the arse and state the next time YOU are free for him to see the children. Also ask for his correct email address as you previously sent him and email to which he hadn't replied. Every time you arrange a visit send it in text and email and then he can never say he didn't get it.
Make it expressly clear that he cannot just turn up on your doorstep. You can say this is too destressing for all involved, there needs to be some order and routine for the children.
He sounds so awful, I cannot imagine what it is like to deal with this on top of a newborn and c-section. IT'S TIME TO LOOK AFTER YOURSELF. HE THEN HAS TO STEP UP AND PUT IN SOME EFFORT.
Please take care xx

clashofclanswidow · 02/04/2016 17:56

I think a diary would help too. Then you can look back over it if you're having a down day and think no, screw him - look at all the chances he's already been given! Might be a good reminder!

Sorry to hear you're in hospital hun, hope you'll be ok soon! xx

hurtandconfued2016 · 02/04/2016 20:23

I will reply to everyone asap being kept in hospital blood clot in my lung too now :(

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Iamdobby63 · 02/04/2016 21:16

Oh you poor thing. Lots of love to you, hope you recover quickly.

Ledkr · 02/04/2016 22:20

I'm not surprised darling, this has been too much. C section is major surgery and you have not had any time to rest. In glad they are keeping you in.

hurtandconfued2016 · 02/04/2016 22:44

I am- yeah it's funny he says he is there for his kids! Well he never replied to my last text so I guess he isn't putting up a fight for the kids no surprise!
Janus - I have been doing this for a now. As for texting him to organise the next time I had been very forthcoming with him I.e reducing his days because it didn't suit him, sitting in his parents house so he could spend time with the new baby, always being the one to encourage visiting, going to the lawyer so he had everything sorted and in place and didn't have to worry that I was going to stop him seeing the kids. But now he has peed me off and let my kids down that much I'm not going to be so easy instead he can wait till he takes me to court or what ever because I'm fed up of hitting my head off a brick wall with him! I was the one that forced him to see his new baby as he wanted to wait until we had been to court!
Thanks everyone he dropped little boy off with my dad at 6 my wee boy has been looking for me which is killing me being away from him but that's me now in a ward and will be here over night

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dizzytomato · 02/04/2016 22:58

Grin AcrossthePond you evil genius!

dizzytomato · 02/04/2016 23:07

Blood clot on your lung...shit. You need to cut him off and concentrate on yourself now.

Janus · 02/04/2016 23:35

You have been so generous to him, I can see you have bent over backwards to try and 'make' him see his children but really you shouldn't have to make someone do this, they should fight with every fibre of their body.
I think you need to concentrate on getting better. I've had 2 c-sections, they are not easy, you have so much on your plate, time to get YOU better xx

AcrossthePond55 · 03/04/2016 02:37

Well, it's been a few damn shitty days, hasn't it?

I know it's hard, but try to get some rest whilst you're in hospital. You know your DCs are being well cared for and you'll be home soon.

As for Scumbag, just kick him to the kerb and live your life as if he didn't exist.

Iamdobby63 · 03/04/2016 08:43

'I am there for my kids', yeah words are easy. Well he never fails to disappoint you (or them) does he?

Have no more contact with him, don't update him on your health or anything going on with the children, expect nothing from him let him have a taste of the uninterested contempt he has shown towards you.

I know it's still going to be challenging at times but I do hope his latest actions have flipped a switch inside of you.

Stress is no good for anyone especially a new mum who had a c section. Take care of you and just focus on your little family unit.

Ledkr · 03/04/2016 08:44

How are you feeling? Hope you got some rest.

hurtandconfued2016 · 03/04/2016 09:01

Thanks everyone barley slept a wink last night with the hospital being busy and not stopped thinking about that twat and how my babies are missing both their parents last night!
Across - I'm starting to think if it wasn't for bad luck I would have no luck!!
I am - the sad thing is is that I don't think he would care if I didn't contact him again!
Ledkr - not slept a wink they gave me an injection in my belly for the clot last night but I had an allergic reaction to it and it's made me itchy all over. I'm hoping to see a doctor soon.

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ricketytickety · 03/04/2016 09:48

I hope you get better soon. But whilst you are in hospital have a really good think (as I'm sure you are) about what you are doing and who you are doing it for.

From bitter experience I can tell you that your ex is in the process of abandoning his children. He is dragging it out because he doesn't want to piss off his parents too much as they are looking after him.

So his intention is to separate his children from his life. His actions may seem confusing until you realise he's doing the one thing you could not do: he's abandoning his children and starting again as if they don't exist. That's why he is mucking about with collections: he wantss the least interruption to his life (nights are 'easier' because he doesn't have to go back and forth). He is hoping that whilst he has the children, his parents will actually be caring for them. So he can go out/round his gf's house. They won't tell you this because they obviously want a relationship with the children. He is also messing you about with maintanance because in his head, he shouldn't be paying you any if he 'has' his children. And also because in his mind he doesn't really care how they get fed, he's not going to be doing it but that doesn't matter.

My ex and his parents have been doing this dance with me for years and it's taken me a looooong time to realise what I couldn't bring myself to think before: that my ex behaves so strangely because he doesn't actually want to see my dc, he is just showing minimal interest to keep his parents happy and also to look good to other people in society - so they think he is doing what he should be. He's obviously told everyone that I'm controlling. He was, however, very abusive in our short relationship. Over the years he has been more intolerant of his dc's needs and has 'erupted' a couple of times so I had to stop over nights. He was the same with nappies - never changed them. His parents actually did most of the childcare whilst he went out. He never really paid maintenance - only a few times and probably at his parents' request. Also, once I was very ill suddenly and asked him to have our dc but he refused saying 'you should have told me earlier' - despite the fact that I didn't have acrystal ball to say I was going to be so ill so suddenly!! I had to call his parents for help, just as you have effectively done. He also didn't change his clothes or brush his hair.

I have concluded that he is actually somewhere on the antisocial behaviour spectrum. Look it up - I bet lots of it will ring tru for you. These men are 'parasitic' of nature and will con (the parental leave) and trick people into looking after them. This is essentially what he is doing with his parents. Unfortunately they won't ever see him for who he is and have their own interests in seeing their grandchildren.

Overall, I wish I had realised earlier what I know now - it would have saved my dc a lot of pain. Now they wonder why he doesn't ever call, why he doesn't send easter eggs. The OW by the way went on to have a child with him and he did exactly the same to her!! That's his OW's future.

My advice then is to just not contact him. Allow him to walk away. I know it's not what you want for your dc. It's not fair on them. But it's worse to have them believe he loves them in a normal way only for them to gradually find out he doesn't or worse still for something abusive to happen (neglect/accident/him lashing out). You would really be doing the best for them in just making zero effort in facilitating contact. He should make all the effort.

Regarding his parents - I would say you should not refuse contact if they ask for it and want it. Make a schedule with them. Tell them you know he isn't interested, but don't want your dc to lose their grandparenting. Tell them you don't want him taking them off and that you don't believe he does either so they shouldn't push it. It might give them the space to admit they realise he doesn't want contact either, but they were afraid of losing it if they told you the truth.

Good luck. I hope you get better soon!

ricketytickety · 03/04/2016 10:02

Just wanted to add I realised he didn't 'love' in the normal way. This revelation made me realise he could never treat any woman kindly - just use them for his own ends. Or love his children normally - only use them to look good/get what he wants. Therefore my efforts to try and get him to love them were never going to work. Knowing this allowed me to stop trying without guilt.

AcrossthePond55 · 03/04/2016 13:10

I think rickety has it spot on! Sadly but truly, there's nothing you can do about it, either. Best to just back away and quit exhausting yourself trying to force a relationship. Your children are young enough that his absence will just be absorbed as 'normal' in their lives. Leave the door open for his parents but 'close' it for him.

There is good luck out there for you, hurt, there really is. HE is your 'bad luck'. I think you'll find that once you cut him out your 'luck' will change. Yes, you would have gotten the blood clot BUT you would never have had the 'bad luck' to think you could depend on him to pull his weight. Your DCs would have gone directly to your parents and you wouldn't have had the upset and frustration HE caused by jerking you around about having to care for his own children!

hurtandconfued2016 · 03/04/2016 13:16

Was I being unreasonable to ask him to look after our son whilst I'm in hospital? All day I have been blaming myself saying well I shouldn't have asked him it's unfair

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