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Curious to hear from people who have left marriages that weren't AWFUL but just unsatisfying

1001 replies

All0vertheplace · 15/03/2016 13:02

Have you made the tough choice to leave a marriage -- not because of abuse or an affair, but just because you were mismatched and things weren't working out.

If so, how was that decision, and how have your life and relationships been since?

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FlounderingWildly · 17/05/2016 10:21

shodan one other thing I have thought of. If you live in the same house, what does he think is going to happen during what is now family time? Like day trips and stuff? Is it still done as a family or will you take an every other weekend approach? What will happen in the evening when you both want to sit and watch telly/ read books etc?

FlounderingWildly · 17/05/2016 10:58

useful links

All0vertheplace · 17/05/2016 11:03

Thanks, FW.

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HowBadIsThisPlease · 17/05/2016 11:55

Hello

I have been reading this thread for days because it is so long! I have read all the posts now and feel like I can post. Nice to "meet" you all.

I have been with P for 11 years, we have two children, 7 and 5, we are not married.

Things haven't been right for ages. On the "10 year itch" thing - someone was talking about the pressures of small children and normal life and stuff - and yes, all that applies.
About 2 and a half years ago I was having a really tough time. DD2 was being really tricky about bed times and night waking and P wasn't getting involved at all. I was going through something incredibly tough at work. I was exhausted all the time, really hanging on, really trying to make a go of everything. One day at work I had some minor success where I actually succeeded in getting something done that had looked impossible at times. I went for a walk at lunchtime to reward myself with some very unusual fresh air and for some reason while I was out on the street I suddenly realised that no one would ever say "well done" to me.

I can't talk to P about work as he is so bored by me and it, and he doesn't think anything I do is worth anything anyway. Also he would have no interest in the context of me doing work with broken sleep as he thinks he does all the childcare because he works locally and collects them from school / childminder after his work while I am still commuting (and then checks out completely the second I get home and awards himself full leisure time from then on).

For some reason I felt incredibly alone and this struck me as so sad that my knees actually buckled and I stood in the street crying, not able to walk anywhere or do anything. I was in the habit of pep talking myself "you can do it! Hang on! Yes you can!" and I was used to doing without encouragement. But suddenly, having actually succeeded in something, it seemed impossible to do without celebration or congratulation.

Despite this, we staggered on, with various ups and downs but no intimacy. Like some other posters, I experimented in what would happen if I stopped the little kisses or touches I initiated out of habit - and we stopped touching altogether.

We rowed two weeks ago, and P pushed me across the room forcefully in anger. He has done that before, several times. For two weeks we haven't spoken at all except for P saying in anger that he was looking at flats to leave me; blank logistical day to day stuff; and me emailing him that I think we should get mediation to separate properly and legally, and him ignoring it.

Suddenly I am so open to possibility and so exhausted of him and what he thinks. I used to have rows in my head where he would get my POV and now I honestly don't care that he never will. I only need him to understand me, or my representative, to the point that we can practically separate. That is all. I have had so much heartache from his dogmatic and onesided view of things over the years and it's just too late.

Ironically in this time of complete social frigidity, he has been practically very considerate. My life has never been easier. Small things I have wanted him to do for years, that are not hard for him to do but make things a lot less stressful for me, are happening. I don't know whether this is because he doesn't actually want to split (which would explain why he is ignoring the mediation email too); or because he wants to look good in the event of a split.

Sorry this is so long.

HowBadIsThisPlease · 17/05/2016 11:58

Floundering - the counsellor can't make you stay together!

I am nervous of counselling too though because P will want to make it all about my "ishoos". Without denying that I have some, I don't want to enter into this process with P because a. he is not my friend or my partner so I don't want him in the room for confidential stuff to do with my emotions and mental health; and b. it's just a way for him to deflect attention from the relationship, its failure, onto me, as a shit person. (I don't even want to have a conversation about whose "fault" the failure is - I'm not saying I want my chance to point out his part in it too - though he has definitely had a big part in it. I just want to focus on moving on and getting out of it)

FlounderingWildly · 17/05/2016 13:20

Hello HowBad I guess you cannot force him to go to mediation. Do you own the house? Maybe spend some time getting your ducks sorted?

Your comment that the counsellor can't make us stay together made me snigger. Grin I guess I am getting worried about how they guide things. On the plus side my expat support person has approved my request for personal counselling and is looking at possible counsellors for me know. Plus I have emailed 2 english speaking counsellors about marriage counselling. Its a start I guess. Plus I have decided to start a ducks notebook. Not for feelings but for practical information as I find it.

All0vertheplace · 17/05/2016 13:20

HBITP:

The bit that stands out to me is that he has a history of physical aggression towards you. On top of the loneliness, the lack of intimacy and support, etc., I'd answer your username with the reply, "It's pretty bad." Do you have any kind of real-life support network (friends or family)? What do they know about your relationship?

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ItWasNeverASkirt · 17/05/2016 13:21

Yes.

The things that I had written off as 'not important' (sex, passion for each other, being able to have children together) turned out to be things that were important to me, but which I was minimising to myself. I was desperately unhappy, not acknowledging it but instead over-eating and putting on enormous amounts of weight.

I am happy that I did the right thing. He is quite content, still very dear to me (and, I think, me to him) and we are close friends. The separation was very amicable and fair and we took from the marriage what we had brought to it with no disagreements or bad feeling.

All0vertheplace · 17/05/2016 14:11

That minimising thing is a big one. I think all of us adjust our perceptions of the world, and of ourselves, in the light of our relationships. Still, it sounds like your situation resolved itself about as well as could be expected.

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Shodan · 17/05/2016 14:38

Floundering - I think he believes that our lives will essentially carry on as before, with me doing all the cooking, housework etc; family days out together- but with no sex, no passion, no touching etc.

My (male) best friend thinks it's about making sure I don't start dating. I think he's probably right Sad

HowBadIsThisPlease · 17/05/2016 15:00

Hello AllOver
I talk to my sister sometimes and she is very helpful. The pushing bit (this time - don't know why not the first time) was, I think, the thing that just snapped the string that just keeps drawing me back in. I have two daughters. I don't need them seeing me playing along with "he wouldn't have done it if I wasn't so annoying / difficult / impossible". They really don't need that. (He really believes this - he is right to push me around - because - there is no way he can be wrong? I don't know)

My friends know a little but I don't see them often enough. I want to change that! Not to moan about my relationship (I just want to get out of it) but to just, you know, have friends. I can't imagine ever bothering with a man again. But I do like to see people, see films, have coffee, have a laugh, just ordinary stuff like that.

ifeeltheneedtheneedforspeed · 17/05/2016 15:04

Room for another?
Been with husband for 22 years (since I was 16) married for last 6 years have a toddler together.
I'm just not happy, I feel undervalued, overlooked and unimportant. I want to break free but worry about our child.
We hardly speak, I'm a sahm he runs his business, we never talk apart from small talk over the table at teatime. Evenings he will be on the tablet or his phone and I will be sat other end feeling more and more resentful and bored. He never comes up to bed anymore, it's been over 7 since he came to bed- to sleep I might add, sex is non existent and we lack any meaningful contact. I start a thread a few months ago but I don't know how to link it on here.
I just don't know what to do for the best.

MagdaSearus · 17/05/2016 21:02

Hi there. Another lurker here who has re-registered just to join in this thread. So many of your stories are familiar.

DH and I have been married for nearly 10 years, together for 15. We have 2 DCs, 6yo and 3yo. I had doubts before we got married and occasional daydreams about him leaving since but squashed them until about 18 months ago. In the last 6 months it has become intolerable.

He has never allowed me to dictate or even influence the pace of our relationship. He decided we weren't going to live together, he decided when we would get married (no proposal though, just took me out and bought a ring - after an ultimatum), he decided when we would buy a house, have DCs, everything. He is a picky eater but insists on doing all the cooking so we eat about three different meals. He is terribly untidy and just dumps stuff but any protesting on my part is 'nagging' and he says he doesn't want to live in a showhome. He wants to go on holiday with the ILs every single year to the same place. He hates change. I spent my weekends in my 20s sat on the sofa at my ILs house. My shit self esteem went along with that as I didn't think I could or should do any better.

However, along with that has come simmering resentment and a complete loss of respect. I have also recently gone back to work full time in a role which I have aspired to for a long time and that has made me re-evaluate my life. At the same time the straw that broke the camel's back is that we need a bigger house. I am tripping over stuff all the time, my DC share a room and my 3yo is in a toddler bed because there is no room for a bigger one. We can easily afford a bigger house. He refuses to contemplate it until we have paid the mortgage off to an arbitrary amount he has determined, which will not be for another 6 years or so. Discussion is shut down. We have always been dreadful at communicating.

We have had The Conversation. Many times. Nothing changes. He is being kind and helpful, but he has always been kind and helpful. It took me taking my wedding rings off before he realised that I was serious. That was also the first time he had ever told me he loved me. Not even on our wedding day had he told me before and if I said it to him it was met with an awkward silence. So I stopped. And now the rings are back on he has stopped too. He has suggested counselling but done absolutely nothing about arranging it. He has said that if I want to leave, I can leave, but he wants the house and the DCs. Everything is met with 'how can you do this to our little family'.

We have reasonably frequent sex, but it is not satisfying. I don't fancy him, but we get in this cycle where we argue, I complain about a lack of intimacy and passion - he thinks sex is the intimacy and passion whereas for me it is cuddles and saying I love you, which then leads to intimacy and good sex. I have sex in an attempt to fall in love with him again but always feel a bit sordid and used afterwards.

I am financially solvent and could afford to go it alone. He is also a better and more patient parent than me and I am happy to go 50 / 50 contact. But I worry particuarly about the impact on the DCs, that in order to limit the impact on them I will walk away and leave him with the house and have to live in a flat and start again with nothing, I will be alone, a lot - I don't have a huge number of friends, I will never meet anyone else and have the satisfying sex I crave or they will all be dickheads, that I will be forever tarnished by being a woman who 'abandoned' her children because she couldn't put her wants and needs to one side for them.

Gosh, that was long. But very cathartic. No one knows the whole story - I am reluctant to open up to people as I feel deeply ashamed.

HowBadIsThisPlease · 17/05/2016 21:43

Hi Magda.
Sorry to hear about all this.
I feel like there are so many men who just aren't hearing "this isn't working"!
I don't think he can dictate the terms on which you leave. Don't just walk away with nothing just because he is making you think you have to, to get out.

I don't know a lot about this, but I think that is the case anyway.

IronNeonClasp · 18/05/2016 08:34

This one floundering?

FlounderingWildly · 18/05/2016 08:41

Yay! Yes this one iron. Thanks for that Smile
Got initial meeting with counsellor on Tuesday morning. Yikes!

IronNeonClasp · 18/05/2016 08:43

Wow good luck floundering. Hope you're ok and everyone else Flowers

misswhattodo · 18/05/2016 09:15

Well safe to say that dh is a broken man at the moment Sad and I feel like the biggest bitch in the world.
He started crying last night saying he has nothing. No home, no family, no job.
His last words to me this morning before I left for work were " please give me something to hang on for"
Fuckety Fuckety fuck Angry what am I to do?? I don't want to completely trample on him when he is this low but I can't just stay because of this?
Bad times

girlwithagruffalotattoo · 18/05/2016 09:23

So she is leaving next week. Things are just awful here, awful. We can't say two words to one another without it deteriorating into a hateful argument. We're speaking to dd later which I am dreading. I think she will take it very badly.

"D"W is playing the victim card very well, which is her speciality. I'm a freeloader (I've been at home with dd doing the domestic stuff and working from home while she works out. She couldn't afford the life we have without me, I keep everything running, I'm hardly sitting around on my arse but that's the picture she's painting.), and the latest is I'm a gold digger who is after her father's inheritence. She's set to inherit around 20k in a few months when the sale of her father's houses go through. I will not be asking for a penny. She is leaving me with several thousand pounds worth of debt which I STUPIDLY took out in my name as she has such a poor credit rating. We're also very much in debit on our gas and electric bill so I'm paying a high monthly direct debit to pay that down. I'll be left with all that. God I'm so stupid. What was I thinking?! She keeps saying things like "well I want to do this as that's the best thing for dd and SOMEONE needs to think of dd" as though I'm not. As though every thought I have is not for dd. And then in the next breath she called me selfish for expressing surprise that she was taking the cat. I'm selfish because I'm not thinking of her, when I'm actually thinking of my poor DD when she realises one of her mummies is leaving AND taking the fucking cat. I'm just so shocked at how she is, I feel like she is showing her true colours at last and I'm only now seeing her for who she is. She other thing she's doing is telling everyone, inc me, that I am mentally ill and that's why I'm ending the relationship. Which is just so patronising and horrible, as though having had depression in the past means you never have another true thought to be taken seriously again. She is absolutely decimating my name, I feel so ashamed. I'm not going to be able to look anyone in the eye. Sorry this is so long. I feel so drained and sad. Flowers Wine and Cake to everyone!

iseenodust · 18/05/2016 11:18

girl & everyone else Flowers

Mytummyisnotatrampoline · 18/05/2016 13:07

Had a horrible few days at work (went for a job, didn't get it and no-one bothered to tell me. I found out through consolation emails from colleagues as an internal post) so I've been really upset and
DH has been so nice. I'm so confused.

All0vertheplace · 18/05/2016 13:48

Mixed messages from my parents, in response to me letting them know that there may be a separation on the horizon. My mum has been pretty positive and supportive (while also sad for the split), emphasising the importance of being happy and of modelling good relationships for the DCs.

My dad, on the other hand, is far more cautious. He emailed me saying, among other things, "I naturally wanted to write to you myself to say how sad I was to hear your news about the increasing likelihood of you and X separating. This is, as I am sure you both realise, a decision with huge ramifications for the children, for you both and for your finances. The issue is made even bigger by the international dimension of your relationship."

I'm sure he means well (he and my mum split when I was about 10, and I think he has always carried guilt from that, even though from what I understand it was pretty mutual), but that's not what I really need to hear, is it? Bah.

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IronNeonClasp · 18/05/2016 13:48

Sorry everyone is going through it at the moment. Gruffalo have been worried about you Flowers
Things not great for me, we haven't spoken since Sunday after the social anxiety argument. It is very very awkward. I sat in kids bedroom with DC last night then slept with her in her bunk. He hasn't uttered a word back. Tried to but I am a blank face as he is irritating me in every way. I should be calling a solicitor but it all feels so final without him even knowing what I am contemplating. Hurumph!

IronNeonClasp · 18/05/2016 13:50

Sorry AllOver (we posted same time!!!) sounds like my Dad's kind of response Hmm

FlounderingWildly · 18/05/2016 15:08

gruffalo are you in a civil partnership/ married? Surely if you split all debts as well as savings are taken into account? It is really not on to leave you with nothing, not only that but what about your dd? I feel for you Flowers

Magda thats sounds awful. If you are serious about leaving (why you and not him?) then I would suggest you seek out a free half hour session with one or two family lawyers, maybe ones who have dealt with abusive partners before.....I'm not saying your H is abusive but certainly sounds controlling, especially if your self esteem is so low. There is no need for you to make yourself suffer for splitting up a family. The model of a relationship you are showing your children is not one you want them repeating when they are older I imagine? But please, you have absolutely nothing to feel ashamed about. You deserve to be happy with your life. We all do.

I think we all deserve Flowers Brew and Cake . Every single person who has come on this thread seems to have done so as they don't want to be the bad guy. We all have quite different situations but every single one of us deserves a chance to live a happy life, without control, without violence, without being ignored and manipulated. We deserve to love and be loved in return. Be that by friends, family or new people we have yet to meet.

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