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Curious to hear from people who have left marriages that weren't AWFUL but just unsatisfying

1001 replies

All0vertheplace · 15/03/2016 13:02

Have you made the tough choice to leave a marriage -- not because of abuse or an affair, but just because you were mismatched and things weren't working out.

If so, how was that decision, and how have your life and relationships been since?

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SauvignonPlonker · 28/04/2016 14:13

Ah, the celibacy SadI could weep for myself, having squandered the last 10 years on a virtually sexless relationship. We used to have a really good sex life in the beginning, but he has gradually lost interest & now I no longer wish to have sex with someone who clearly doesn't wish to have sex with me. Stalemate. It's been nearly 4 years since we last DTD.

Like floundering we had an impasse about 8 years ago. Having been together 3 years & approaching 35, I delivered an ultimatum as our relationship had stalled & I wanted children. I wasn't prepared to stay indefinitely while he wasn't prepared to commit. We had a really bad patch for about 6 months & I was taking steps to move out.

He broke down & begged me to stay, declaring his undying love. So we stayed together. I feel so sad that I settled for that, I had lost confidence. Then I stupidly got pregnant. I am sure he felt trapped & has "made the most of it" but his heart is not in it. I am also pretty sure he had an affair.

And here we are. I wish he'd been honest back then; I would never have stayed with someone who didn't want me. He was trying to be Mr Nice but clearly wanted out - but not of course until he had his Plan B Woman in place.

And with 2 young children, no family support & debt following redundancy, we are stuck with eachother until the kids are older (childcare costs would be 1.5k per month).

I can't even face a conversation with him about it as I know there is no happy solution.

TwentyYearsAndCounting · 28/04/2016 14:37

Sauvignon I'm really feeling for you as empathise completely.
The only reasons I 've stayed are child with health issues so needed to practically support each other as there us no family support. I just can't work out why I find it more acceptable to hurt myself by staying, than it is to hurt him by splitting.

All0vertheplace · 29/04/2016 09:51

SauvignonPlonker -- four years??? Wow. That must be awfully difficult.

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catbasilio · 29/04/2016 11:03

My H just moved out last week after 9 years together. In theory he is a "good man" but he hasn't done anything for the marriage or family. He has cheated and has never said sorry or admitted that he did wrong, or put any effort to rectify it. It was ready to work on it - if only he wanted - but he never did.
So I now live with my 2 DC who are too small to realize that we split up. He was so absent in their lives that they barely noticed he isn't there anymore. I am lucky to have a job and a house and so essentially our life remains exactly as it was.

Early days but I feel regret and guilt that maybe I am at the fault too. For example, I wasn't cooking for him anymore, because he required a specific, cultural food only, and would never try any of other foods that the rest of the family eat, or if I cook for him he would say "oh I don't fancy it today". Or he would complain about the lack of intimacy, but disregarded the fact that I caught him cheating ("it was only chatting" he said. It wasn't). I still feel at times perhaps I should have provided the regular intimacy and the cultural food he would have been happy enough to have stayed... Although in the deep of my heart I know that the separation cannot make any worse than it was.

"It takes two to tango" - as simple as that. If he wasn't willing there is nothing much I could do.

IronNeonClasp · 29/04/2016 18:01

catbasillio - welcome.

Checking in.
Just putting my thoughts down really. Last Saturday H scruffed DS by pj top at top of stairs pulling him up. He lost his rag and left a mark. DS was v upset and I was shouting up to him to calm down. This happened a few months ago also. He slapped his leg - hard.
When he is 'cross' with me he lashes out on DS it seems. I am totally, totally against this due to being severely smacked/slapped up to 15yo. He can have explosive moments. Perhaps 4 or 5 times a year - has left a crack in my (v old) bedroom door. Broken my dresser door by kicking it in. Thrown a plate across the floor when kids were v small. He brakes stuff and never replaces it. I seem to 'fix' everything.
I'm pissed off. We are bickering and I'm not backing down. His conversation is really fucking annoying me. Seriously we have little in common anymore - just the kids. Came home altogether tonight he was irritable before he had a 'smoke'. Then he sat on his computer with headphones on and that. Is. It. Until bedtime.
But he is 'happy'. I am the one who hasn't been happy for 12 years. I am the one with 'bipolar'. I will never be able to get him out of this house. He doesn't go anywhere. I am back to square one.

Hope everyone is good Flowers

Claritta · 29/04/2016 19:17

this thread is a lifeline for me - married 22 years but for the last 3 years DH has worked away during the week and i have been left to bring up the kids. He has always worked away a lot so effectively I have brought them up - now the youngest is going to uni this year and I veer between resentment at his easy corporate life and terror that it will all fall apart when the kids have flown the nest and I have made all those compromises over my career and my interests for the sake of our family for all those years for nothing. Not sure I can accept a weekend relationship much longer but not sure this is a good enough reason for leaving. Terrified if i bring this all out into the open and say I am unhappy/pay me more attention that he will say well lets call it a day then.
Does it ever feel to people that its less complicated for men or am I just making excuses?

shandybass · 29/04/2016 19:41

Hi claritta. It is frightening isn't how the time goes. My dcs are small but my oldest will be in secondary soon.
Yes I think men in general see things much more pragmatically. They don't think just get on with things and consequently move on from a broken relationship faster than most women despite protesting to end a relationship they give little thought too. Sorry I know I'm ranting.
Iron I feel you're frustration.
Catbasillia, don't beat yourself up we could all have done more but there is a point where unless you're getting your own needs met you start to stop doing all you can for that other person.
My dh is trying to be nicer following our talk. Catching eye contact and the occasional hug, but to be honest I'm still frustrated and can't respond, it's like it's annoying me more. I'm really not sure why.
I've contacted a counsellor and am waiting for an appointment. I really think we need that talking time as he just doesn't get that this is different to when I've been mad at him and then been ok. The truth is I was never ok just moved my expectations down until now the balance has tipped and I feel there's no way out. But to leave would be to be blamed for everything and shunned by my family and some friends and maybe even the kids. Grrrr

PrudenceDear · 29/04/2016 22:56

Gosh just discovered this thread and don't feel so alone now..haven't read all the way through....
I think I'm just exhausted today which always makes things so much worse. I've been with my dh for 13 years now. I had pnd after our first dc was born but never got any help. I didn't really realise and I feel like dh just let me get on with it rather than taking control. Dc1 was followed by DTs and it wasn't any easier. I'm not good at talking about stuff, dh isn't either so we don't get far. I went to the doctors several times but feel I was fobbed off and told I'd feel better tomorrow. On top of this I've been in peri menopause for about 6 years, since the age of 37 which I've struggled with. Blood tests haven't confirmed this and so only been told to come back for hrt when no period for 2 years. I get to about 18 months then have to start again.

I work part time, not many days but very long hours when I do work. Dh works full time. His hearing is bad but he refuses to acknowledge this. I end up saying things two or 3 times. Then he has to process what I've said before barely replying. His first language isn't English but he is British and speaks English fluently. We don't chat, we don't share any interests apart from the dcs. We don't go out.

I just need sleep, it'll he better tomorrow hopefully.
Last night he put kids to bed so early that they were awake at 5, starving. I'd only got into bed at 1 after being up since 6am.

All0vertheplace · 30/04/2016 18:33

Hi claritta & prudence -- really glad you found us all, and hope that you can get some advice and/or clarity from chatting with us.

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WestleyAndButtockUp · 30/04/2016 19:37

Marking place. Can you have couples counselling if one person doesn't want to go to counselling?

secretsarebest · 30/04/2016 20:07

Well I've just told him I'm leaving. I just blurted it out when we were arguing about something trivial. Cross with myself as I wasn't going to say anything until after the DCs exams finished. Now we'll be in limbo until then.

He said I'm getting what I want while his life is destroyed. He said he'll be on his own in a grotty flat and the kids won't want to visit. He'll have nothing.

We now have to put a face on and go out with the kids to a family do.

It's going to be a long haul.

All0vertheplace · 30/04/2016 23:08

Is his 'grotty flat' assessment correct or is he exaggerating?

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Awoof · 01/05/2016 09:02

Hi all, sorry I dropped off the face of the earth a bit.
I told him it was over 2 weeks ago and this Friday we had a giant fight because he just wouldn't accepted. He has finally decided he will move out next weekend, to his dad temporarily, then into his own place as soon as he has a deposit saved.
It is so hard.
I know it's been over for me alot longer than it has for him but he is still trying to hug me and things like that. I hate it.
We actually had a nice day yesterday with the dc, felt like all the pressure was off, but then his old relationship habits show through.
Like pulling a face at the pudding I ordered at lunch, complaining that he will be lonely when I take dd out to see my friend later today..hasn't done a single lick of housework or cooking. . Urgh.
I know it will take time but it is really really stressful. Glad to have this thread and my best friend close by.

Just finishing off my 'ducks in a row' today. Getting forms etc ready for housing benefit so I can get the ball rolling as soon as his last bag is out the door.

Positives- I am really looking forward to eating what I want without comment (he hates my healthy food etc).
Having a nice tidy home.
Sprucing up the place and having his x box and stacks of dvds gone

Hope you are all okay, bank holidays can be the absolute worst in these situations. Flowers

All0vertheplace · 01/05/2016 10:15

Wow. Nice one, awoof --- admiring your taking action

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Msqueen33 · 01/05/2016 15:03

Watching with interest. My dh has a good job and isn't FA or EA though he is tight with money he's just lazy. We seem to have the same conversation about me saying could he help a bit more, help with the reading and spellings when he's home (we have three young DCs and two have autism). I'm a sahm now so I take most of it. But he did frequently ill with colds and always wants attention. I've told him to make a bit more effort to help and I won't be so resentful. We have this conversation at least every six months.

SauvignonPlonker · 01/05/2016 17:41

Urgh! You know when you've had an insight into normal marriages & realise how dysfunctional your own is?!

Had an impromptu get-together with a friend & our DC. We drank wine in the sun, while the DC played in the garden. Her lovely DH topped up our glasses & started making dinner, all workout being prompted or nagged.

Got home with DC to find "D"P watching sport on tv, DS plonked on iPad & no dinner started. Start making dinner, my DM phones, so I delegate DP to take over. Next thing, DD is crying, smoke alarm going off, he's grumbling, in a mood.

There's no kindness here & that's so
important to me. Just one of these lightbulb moments, where you see everything in clarity. He is just so resentful & lazy. Christ, I need to stick this for 2 years until DD starts school.

All0vertheplace · 01/05/2016 19:21

Oof. I know that feeling for sure. After a week with a couple of friends and their kids I just had this very clear and distressing picture of what a strong and functioning relationship looks like. Wish I could make changes that would close the gap, but i fear that, in the words of REM, you can't get there from here.

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Msqueen33 · 01/05/2016 20:10

I'm in the same situation. We have three children under ten and the younger two both have autism so I'm a sahm. Dh has a good job, isn't abusive or controlling or bad with money (sometimes he can be quite tight). If he's here and the kids want a drink he's happy to make it but I find him lazy. I don't ask him to do a lot but he's here in the mornings until eight and just sorts himself. He takes no interest in the kids academics. I've asked him to help the middle two with maths as he's very good at it but tried with the elder one and declared he couldn't. We have the same conversation every few months. Occasionally I'd like him to think I'll clean the bathroom just to save Msqueen doing it. He's not a bad bloke but I find him selfish. He will go out two/three times a week but can't find time to hang the canvas I've had under our bed for two years. He's motivated if it's something he wants. He constantly moans about the lack of attention but as I've said if he tried to help me more I'd want to instead of resenting him. To that he just looks like he's a puppy I've kicked. My youngest two with Sen are hard work and I deal with all appointments, therapies and paperwork. I'm tired and stressed. I just can't mother another child. It also doesn't help that my mum isn't that keen on him. I just don't know what to do. We've had another talk but I don't know if things will ever change. We have very little in common to the point of not even being able to agree on house temperature. Financially it would be very very hard work as we live in a small town and I can't work as the youngest two can't deal with being in childcare.

shandybass · 01/05/2016 22:40

Hi Msqueen. I feel for you, sometimes life hands out a rough deal. Have you considered counselling? I'm waiting for my appointment and hoping.
Allover and Sauvignon I know just what you mean in getting glimpses of normal relationships and just a bit of kindness.
Awoof well done looks like the end/start is close for you. Ducks in row we hey.

All0vertheplace · 02/05/2016 12:49

Feeling bleak today - - weather not helping. OH headed out to the gym this morning, as he does most days, leaving me to wrangle kids through Asda and unpack groceries and make lunch, as well as getting stuff ready for people coming over tonight, and I just feel tired of the way we always seem to separate and do our own thing. I have always been proud of how I cope on my own, and how we each have our own stuff going on, but today I just really miss missing someone. Like, I should be excited for him to get back, looking forward to catching up and hearing about his morning, but I am just not.

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All0vertheplace · 02/05/2016 14:37

Thought of a writing exercise for us all -- if you could write a note to your DP telling them how you feel about them, and about yourself, and your relationship, what would it say?

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FlounderingWildly · 02/05/2016 18:28

This is sitting in my draft emails until I can find the best time to send it.
us and the future
[Draft]
This message hasn't been sent.
Saved on: Thu 28/04/2016 15:56

We need to have a frank conversation about us. Not the kids, not living in Germany, not moving home. Us.

It can't have escaped your notice that we live like flatmates and have done for years. We show little to no emotion or affection towards each other and we live increasingly parallel lives. We've become more and more detached from each other over the years. We are both mentally and physically absent from our relationship at the moment.

There are a lot of things that need to change if we have even the slightest possible chance of moving forward from this.

Firstly the way we deal with money. I have brought this up many times over the years but it is so telling to me that that you do not view us as a unit by the way you treat money and the very fact nothing has changed. You very obviously do not see the money you earn as 'family money' but as your money. I'm not disputing the fact that you spend it on the family but your frequent mentions that 'I have to pay for everything' show in a very bright light how you actually feel. You do not consult me on big purchases. You have bought 2 family cars without actually asking me what I think. We have no financial plan for the future, I have no idea if you have savings, if you get a bonus at work, no idea if we can afford things. I gave up a job to come out here because you wanted this job and I am hugely financially disadvantaged in many ways because of it. I have a huge amount of resentment built over years of financial disparity. This is not the first time I have brought this up by any means either but nothing has ever changed. I will not bother to go over previous financial issues which were discussed prior to us coming out here but suffice to say, the past grates. There has never been a financial 'us' only a me and a you. It is not good enough.

The disparity does not end with finances. It runs all the way through our relationship deep in a very large cracks. You seem to have a disregard for me as an equal. I am convenient to have around, to do the cooking, cleaning, washing, homework and to ensure the kids are around for you to see when you are here. The Christmas just gone was the worst Christmas I have ever spent and I spent a lot of the day feeling extremely upset. Not only did you not sort out even small presents from the kids you didn't even apologise properly. It was like you could admit something was wrong by saying 'I dropped the ball' but could bring yourself to use the word sorry. Even then I still bought and paid for my own present. The fact that you thought it was OK to leave me and the kids waiting outside your work on the pavement for half an hour whilst you decided to drop someone somewhere despite promising the car would be there an hour earlier so we could collect YOUR parents from the airport. We have been left waiting numerous times for you, sometimes up to an hour or more. And when I get cross about these things you tell me I'm being stupid and overreacting and you have a go at me for being cross. Even when we came to do the look-see your work meetings took precedence over our family moving here. I felt (and still do) very manipulated over how the move over here was planned and executed. You quite clearly had no intention of seriously looking at any other positions in any other companies which forced me into an extremely unfair position. These are just a few examples out of many. I'm not here for convenience and my contribution to our family is just as valid, valuable and important as yours. If this level of disrespect continues then we are at a fork in the road.

I'll be totally honest, I do not think either of us are 'in love' with the other. For what it is worth I'm not sure you have ever been in love with me. I don't recall you ever being emotional about us in any way. I know you don't believe in marriage but to say I felt we were going through the motions is an understatement. And when I changed my name in my passport you could have made a nice comment, of even just a polite acknowledgement but you chose to say ' you know I don't believe in all that shit'. That did nothing but reinforce how I'm feeling.

I know you care about me, don't get me wrong, and I care about you but whatever spark may once have been there has currently been snuffed out by apathy, resentment and all the above. We need to ask ourselves some deep questions and be completely honest with how we feel about each other with no bullshit, no child related guilt and no job related guilt. Only then can we move forward in some way, however that may be. I simply cannot spend the next 40 or so years of my life living like this and I doubt you want to either. On top of this we are not setting a good example of what a healthy loving relationship is like to our children.

This all looks rather stark written down and I am by no means clear of fault. It takes two to be as dysfunctional as this and I have done my fair share of enabling. I don't really want to have this conversation but I can't live with myself if I don't. All I ask is for you to be completely honest in your feelings about me, about us and about our future. We are both nice people and we both deserve more that our current situation.

TwentyYearsAndCounting · 02/05/2016 22:38

Wow Floundering, your email ... Flowers
You have explained yourself beautifully. When do you think will be the right time to send it? And do you know what your legal position is if you end up splitting in Germany?

I have written desperate 'letters' to DH in the past which, to his credit, have led to bug 'discussions' and he has tried to resolve things. But in our case I just think there may be too much change needed.

All0vertheplace · 02/05/2016 22:57

That's an amazing letter.

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shandybass · 02/05/2016 23:21

Hi Allover I'm feeling bleak too. There's nothing like a bank holiday for seeing all those happy couples and making your relationship by contrast look very lonely. Thank goodness for the kids, but then the idea of splitting makes me sad that I won't always have them around at bank holidays, Christmas etc . The thought breaks my heart.
Floundering. What a letter. Have you said any/all of it to dh. What was his reaction? I'm going to couple counselling soon I hope, I want to be able to explain myself like that, perhaps I should try a draft letter.

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