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7 months in and struggling with new partners sons!!!

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dadaboutthehouse · 07/03/2016 13:36

hi all.....brand new member so please be gentle:-)

Im a dad to three junior school aged girls and my partner of seven months, has two boys aged 6 and 3......all the kids get on really well with each on the whole and my girls love my new partner, they also love their mums new partner too.....i share custody with my girls mum and I usually see them every day in some capacity.

My problem is predominantly with my GF's 6 year old old, although the lack of respect he shows has a trickle down effect on his younger brother. As time has gone on, I find him to be very disrespectful to both his mother and myself (.....im very big on respect and discipline, i know my girls arent angels, im aware of their flaws and i would be very quick to come down hard on them, if they were ever disrespectful to another adult in my presence)......i also find him to be very sly,calculating and whiny

The 6 year old is clearly her favourite and he is rarely held to account for anything he does, like deliberately hiding my car keys/cash cards when im over there and lets us look for hours before he is found to have been hiding them!!......he has peeled off massive pieces of wallpaper in my home and isnt punished for it, other than a quick telling off.......he is very quick to get his younger brother in trouble with fake crying after a squabble, yet gets away with it loads of times when he does the hitting......im convinced she sees all this but perhaps fears the knives are out for him so tries to play things down....my GF allows me to discipline both boys as i allow her the same with my girls, but i know from instances with members of the public, she hates anyone attempting to tell them off for anything, even when she knows they have needed it......where as i would totally accept a stranger or friends and family telling my kids off for misbehaving.

The oldest walks past the bathroom during the night, to use our en suite sometime 2 to 3 times a night and wakes us up with lights on and talking,often trying to get in with us afterwards and takes the hump when my GF says no (...which then often prompts him to start coughing in his bed for the next half hour, till my GF thinks he needs some asthma meds and starts worrying if he needs the doctors in the morning!!!!).......all attention seeking and purely because he hasnt had his own way.....the cough may continue all night, or come back in a few days......sometimes very voilently and she insists hes a sleep when he does it, but im not convinced!!

i have sleepily raised the point of how coughing fits always follow a no answer to getting in the bed, or a no answer to " can i play on the kindle? " at daft o'clock in the morning!....and my GF doesnt deny it, or admit it...i think she is embarrassed........these broken nights effect everyone the next day and along with the genuine wake ups during the night for sickness,bad dreams etc....take their toll the next day

Acting up at the table, back chat, moodyness etc are all common place and punishment is threatened by their mum often...but they both know really that it rarely happens, especially for the older boy........my GF works in childcare and is very strict with those kids, which seems to baffle me even more!!

she wont usually tell her boys off if we are in public because she doesnt want to embarrass them, but if its serious enough, you shouldnt allow kids that luxury surely??......she talks a lot about not wanting them to be fearful of her, but i think my girls arent fearful of me, they just have a healthy respect!!!......her eldest even tells her off for shouting at him after he has done something and she just kind of takes it!!

im sure its plain to see he's got under my skin, i'm annoyed with my self for this but cant seem to do much about it........very sorry about the length of this post, i could have filled it ten times over with more frustrations:-).......i love my GF and want this to work otherwise i would have called time on the relationship before now, just looking for some input please...thank you

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ToTheLeft · 07/03/2016 17:13

Hi op. My DP and I have been through something similar too. He has one DS, I have an older DS and two DDs (7&5). We've been together 18 months now and I'm pleased to say we are through the worst of it.

Initially our DC got on quite well and so we naively pushed our luck and spent what in hindsight, was too much time together. My middle DC who was 6 when we introduced everyone to one another, found it particularly challenging. I think it was a combination of her age but also that my XH decided that he disliked my DP (even though he refused to meet him and still hasn't!) and made it known to our DD who then felt torn loyalties. She really acted up at the time and took a lot of her frustration out on DP.

I researched blended families a lot and much of the advice said that the most difficult step relationship is a DS accepting a step father so that might go some way to explaining why it's particularly challenging for you. I would recommend you google this issue, there is lots of advice out there written by family counsellors etc.

Additionally, DP and I have a very different approach to discipline, DP being much stricter. He also feels that my DC disrespect me a lot. I acknowledge that they do but I don't expect blind obedience from them and we have the additional issue of their emotionally abusive father who likes to meddle a lot.

A year on and things are much better. DD has taken a particular shine to my DP, they are very close. My younger DD had started testing boundaries now but we know now it's a case of being patient and most likely it will sort its sell out.

Things that helped us:
Compromise and communication. We talked about and acknowledged our different parenting often. We have a mutual respect for one another's approach. DP has told me that he is much less strict on his DS now he is with me.

House rules: we set these together, DP, me and the kids and we talked about what behaviour is acceptable at school and applied it to home.

Time. It takes a lot of time for DC to find their place in a new family. A child that was once the eldest may struggle with their new position as middle child. In the mean time you need to be patient and understanding.

One on one time with the DC. This is really important so each child still feels important to their bio parent. We now spend at least one full day with only our own DC to accommodate this.

Love. DP and I love each other very much and have a fantastic relationship that we both feel it's worth the hard work and sacrifice for us to stay together. I don't mean that at the expense of the DC, but as you acknowledged in your op, if the relationship wasn't great, you'd have already left as a result of these challenges.

Things are still challenging from time to time even though we don't live together yet. But we've come a long way in the last year. I want to wish you lots of luck op. I can sympathise with your worries but give it time, patience and understanding and you'll probably find that things are quite different once everyone in your family have settled in a little more.

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RaptorInaPorkPieHat · 07/03/2016 17:14
Gillian1980 · 07/03/2016 17:16

Yes, parents need to discipline children when they misbehave but in my opinion what is more important is WHY they are displaying these behaviours.

It does sound as though things have moved far too quickly for the children and the boy is reflecting his anxiety and stress in his behaviour. Does his mum feel unsure of how to manage him because this is not traditionally how he has behaved? I think it is inappropriate for you to discipline him given your role in his life - he will find it overwhelming.

I would step back, keep sleep overs for when the kids are with their other parent, keep to parenting/disciplining your own children rather than each others. In the meantime, have lots of discussion with your girlfriend about how you could potentially co-parent in the future - just open, honest discussions otherwise they will be pointless discussions.

It doesn't really sound that you are compatible as parents, even if you are in other aspects, but further discussion will clarify any uncertainty.

PS: I think the assumption that you live together came from you saying "our ensuite" rather than "her" or "my" - I thought you lived together too.

prettywhiteguitar · 07/03/2016 17:25

I think the way you have reacted to this thread is very telling, you have not listened you expected everyone to join in saying it is all to do with a six years old lack of discipline from his mother.

But there deeper issues here and you don't want to deal with that just make it into a discipline issue

dadaboutthehouse · 07/03/2016 17:27

wow!...just wow!......the worlds most helpful,perceptive,axe grinding, agenda waving,collection of salt of the earth people all in one place....who knew?:-)

....i'll get my coat

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cbigs · 07/03/2016 17:28

Baptism by fire op. You're not the first and most definitely not the last.

dadaboutthehouse · 07/03/2016 17:29

thanks cbigs.....im off to find the forum for grown ups

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PrivatePike · 07/03/2016 17:30

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prettywhiteguitar · 07/03/2016 17:30

Well what's our agenda ? Not sure what you mean

PrivatePike · 07/03/2016 17:30

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NickiFury · 07/03/2016 17:31

No need for that. Just talk to the six year old. He probably has far more of a handle on things than you do :-)

expatinscotland · 07/03/2016 17:31

dont . . . . . . let the door hit you on the way out

You have no idea how hard that was for me to do that to the English language Wink.

PrivatePike · 07/03/2016 17:31

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DharmaLlama · 07/03/2016 17:33

Yep, another one who thought you lived together because of "our" ensuite.

Seven months into a relationship is too early for you to be disciplining each others kids, and no-one should ever be disciplining children they don't love. Until you have a relationship with the child that you have built, you should be biting your tongue and/or bringing it up with his mother. Your expectations are too high and too selfish and your compassion and care and understanding are too low.

If you are serious about your girlfriend and this relationship, then the constructive advice is to back off massively and slowly reassess whether you can love this child first, as well as whether your girlfriend's style of parenting is compatible with yours. If this relationship can go the whole hog, then you have a year or two to slowly integrate the family.

If you really have a low opinion of his character (the way you've described it here), and don't want to put any effort into understanding him, don't want backing off and let him have more time with his mum that he needs, and putting effort into bonding with him before wanting to discipline him, then you are better off leaving his mum now. If you do all those things, I promise you that his behaviour will increase.

His behaviour is not going to improve by taking a harsher line. It's just not.

I have a partner who has children and we have taken years getting to the point you're at, and it's still hard work.

dadaboutthehouse · 07/03/2016 17:33

every need for it. I thought i was talking to grown ups

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BunnyTyler · 07/03/2016 17:35

Expat - actual lol'd at that :)

NickiFury · 07/03/2016 17:35

We did too.

DharmaLlama · 07/03/2016 17:35

Aww, he flounced before he got to read the agenda I was busy typing for him!

BunnyTyler · 07/03/2016 17:36

....i'll get my coat

Finally!!

expatinscotland · 07/03/2016 17:37

Bugger, I thought I was speaking to someone literate [sobs].

BunnyTyler · 07/03/2016 17:37
Grin
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gamerchick · 07/03/2016 17:38

OP the bairns not ready to have another parent figure in his life. Tell his mother that you see the bairns struggling and as you're in it for the long term then its time to change the approach. No overnights, date and have the odd day out doing fun things with the kids. Make an effort with him because he'll be seeing the growls in you eyes when you look at him.

RaptorInaPorkPieHat · 07/03/2016 17:39

Thinks he's talking to grown ups.

Calls us girls. Hmm

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