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At breaking point with my wife

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JamesTiberiusKirk · 07/03/2016 12:17

This weekend was a culmination of fractures that have left me feeling that my marriage is in serious danger.

Firstly, it was our daughter’s birthday weekend, with a children’s party on Saturday, and a family gathering at our house on the Sunday. For the Sunday, my wife had promised my daughter a multi-tiered rainbow cake, not an easy endeavor to bake, and unfortunately it went wrong. I tried to reassure her that we could get a nice replacement (which I went out and bought) and that it was fine – baking something ambitious for the first time is always open to trouble, and I tried to make her feel better. The cake and hand mixer were violently dumped in the bin, and she proceeded to treat me like crap for the rest of the day – accusing me of not tidying / cleaning fast enough (I cleaned and tidied the entire house before our guests arrived.) and generally being really vile.

Secondly, it was, of course, mothering Sunday. I had bought cards over a week ago, and had planned to go into town on the Saturday afternoon to pick up some gifts. The plan changed slightly so I could go to Cribbs Causeway in Bristol. This was to get sandwich platters from the Marks and Spencer’s there, as well as to give me a better selection of shops to get her something from. She raised no objections to any of this on the Saturday. I got her a box of Chocolates from Hotel Chocolat, a bunch of blood-orange roses and a voucher to a beauty store that she likes a lot. I felt that was a nice package for her. I took the kids downstairs early on Sunday morning, so she could have a 3 hour lie-in. We all came up as a family to give her the gifts later on while she was in bed, and she seemed happy with everything. It was only later in the evening that she complained about what I had done. She said that the whole thing had been an afterthought, and then, most painfully, said that she felt I was buying her chocolates to sabotage her weight-loss efforts (she recently started dieting in advance of her friend’s wedding later this year). Suffice to say, that was not on my mind when I bought the chocolates.

This is not new behavior, having happened a number of time previously. The point of friction leads to days of silent treatment punctured by mono-syllabic responses. I find it all incredibly stressful and I end up just feeling very lonely. My wife struggles to talk about emotional issues like this, and it usually veers between silence or outbursts. We have talked about how unhappy I am with this before and either she promises to change, or she minimizes the issue, which makes me look unreasonable. I don’t want to be having the same conversation for the rest of my life. I feel like a punching bag and I am sick of it.

I am, of course, a long way from perfect. I have found the increased demands of two children hard to handle at times, and I get frustrated a lot and can be short-tempered. I am also significantly over-weight, as is my wife, and I think this is a major drag-factor on our general happiness. All that said, I don’t think (and have never been accused) of allowing this to devolve into cruel or abusive (emotionally) behavior, and this is where I feel we are now. When these kind of situations arise she behaves like a bully.

There is no pull-factor at play here, no other person I have an eye on. It is a non-factor here.

Am I being massively unreasonable here in my expectations of how a couple should work and communicate together? Are these Mother’s Day presents unacceptable?

OP posts:
Atenco · 07/03/2016 18:31

Whao, Redroses, I've been appreciating reading your support on another thread, but while I agree that this is possibly "just an exhausted stressed Mummy", I cannot at all understand why you refer to the OP as "an inconsiderate idiot of a husband". Whao!

Ok, so maybe he shouldn't have bought her chocolates, nobody has mentioned any other mistake. So she gets to treat him like shit all weekend and she is just a poor mummy, while he maybe bought a wrong present, and is an an inconsiderate idiot????

Redroses11 · 07/03/2016 18:33

I was writing down what she was probably thinking in her own head.

You know the way when one thing goes wrong, normally it's not a bother, but when you're under serious stress and a few things go wrong, you start to think 'and now that I think of it, why the hell did he buy me chocolates'.

Etc. etc.

But I certainly see no abuse in what he has posted.

HackAttack · 07/03/2016 18:46

I think it's nice you are being so understanding. Sounds like you tried incredibly hard. By all means have the talk but protect yourself. You have a right to be treated well and make damn sure she starts with sorry.

Toraleistripe · 07/03/2016 19:09

You should have reverse posted. You might have received a more balanced response from some posters. Hope you work it out OP.

TheAngelofNitshillRoad · 07/03/2016 19:30

Hi OP

I have a 13 month old DD. I'll hold my hands up, I've been a fucking nightmare to my lovely, lovely DH since I went back to work. I didn't want to go back and he kind of made me (we couldn't afford for me not to go back, and he, probably correctly, feels I am better off in work sometimes than at home which drove me half demented). I think subconsciously I was ferociously angry with him for the fact that I had to go back.

Recently he sat me down and told me recently how much I've been hurting him, and I've been making a really huge effort to stop. I found once I broke the habit, it became easier to be, well, nice to him I suppose. We also went on a few date nights, rediscovered who we were pre-DD, I started to really fancy him again on those nights...does that make sense? things are pretty good now. We have our moments but everyone does, and I think that's ok.

He wasn't actually doing anything wrong, but everything he did got under my skin and really irritated me. He couldn't do right for doing wrong and I was awful to him. I'm very lucky he didn't pack up and leave because there are times that he would have been justified. I see now that I was just utterly exhausted, I was down with the way I looked (i still am - I haven't shifted the baby weight, haven't had the time or money to get hair, tan, nails done etc, or new clothes, I feel like a bag lady. But I'm working on it.).

I'm not going to to tell you to cut your wife some slack. Just because she's tired and stressed, it doesn't give her carte blanche to treat you that way. It's not ok. She probably knows, in the pit of her stomach, that she needs to stop doing this. That she's pushing her luck and really needs to break the habit.

You need to have a frank chat with her. Shock her into changing her behaviour. In my case, I really needed a wake up call. I needed him to tell me that it hadn't gone unnoticed and that it was affecting him. I owed it to him and to my DD to be better.

It's fixable if you both want it to be.

DeoGratias · 07/03/2016 20:25

It's very simple. Just tell her she's right. Tends to work in many marriages.

Also never buy chocolates. No one is allowed to buy me them. it's like feeding heroin to an addict giving people who don't want chocolate chocolate.

lorelei9 · 07/03/2016 20:36

OP
What really jumps out from your post
you say this isn't new behaviour
You say you are sick of being her punching bag

Don't be then

Raise this with her
You say she's vile to you on a regular basis or has been lately
Don't mince words
Say that
Tell her you need a partner who has more maturity than to throw the mixer in the bin
You say that's not her only outburst
A one off would be different but I would never advocate someone putting up with such horrible behaviour on a regular basis.

BigQueenBee · 07/03/2016 20:45

I think that we( women) are too quick to judge the bad behaviour of men and also to rationalise the bad behaviour of women.
OP has given a very clear picture of his wife's behaviour.
She sounds like a spoilt child.
He obviously adores her and has made umpteen allowances for her being so vile.
If a woman said such things she would be accused of being " brainwashed" by her abusive DH.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 07/03/2016 20:48

I would forget about the mixer, I really would. If she threw it at you, that would obviously be different. But she binned it. It was probably one of the most difficult moments of her life, in a weird sort of way.

This is a bad time to decide things are at breaking point. By all means, raise your concerns and set boundaries, but I would also be trying to have an amnesty for the next month or so.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 07/03/2016 20:50

About the diet: I think that deep down she may feel that you are a fat person and want her to also be a fat person, and this messes with her identity within the marriage. She wants to be a slim person but together you are 'fat people' Where will that leave you feeling when she has done all this work to be different? That's what I suspect she's thinking.

Redroses11 · 07/03/2016 20:51

I don't see where the wife has been utterly vile though. She got frustrated about the cake and threw the lot out. She didn't hurl a mixer at the OP. She snapped at him for not cleaning fast enough, but she had guests arriving and was under time pressure, leaving aside the stress of other things.
The OP is using catastrophic language which is uncalled for.

'violently dumped'
'utterly vile'
'days of silent treatment punctured by monosyllabic responses'
'I feel like a punching bag'
'cruel or abusive (emotional) behaviour'
'she behaves like a bully'

The thing is, the woman doesn't sound like any of the above descriptions. She just sounds like a typical person under serious stress.

lorelei9 · 07/03/2016 20:54

Red, read the OP. These are not the only incidents.

Redroses11 · 07/03/2016 20:58

I've read the OP. Twice unfortunately. And all I can still see is a woman under pressure who snapped at her husband for not cleaning quickly enough. DH and I have an agreement that basically, he takes on the role of second in command in the kitchen (he has an ability to get in my way, no matter where he stands Grin ).

Redroses11 · 07/03/2016 21:00

Basically, if I was called 'utterly vile' for every time I snapped at DH, he'd be buried under the patio. Joke

Redroses11 · 07/03/2016 21:03

I suggest the OP reads the thread about 'anger at random inanimate objects' and sees the treatment Henry the Hoover gets on a day to day basis. I'd say the mixer did well, under the circumstances! Grin

lorelei9 · 07/03/2016 21:07

Red, read para 4 again.

If you still think the poster is only posting about one weekend, I don't know what to tell you.

lorelei9 · 07/03/2016 21:11

I nearly went NC with my dad on account of his "snapping"

Funnily enough it made him change

Some of us won't put up with that kind of thing. Clearly many will as a mere glance on this board will tell you.

But it's up to the OP. I am also sorry to say, this is one situation where I wonder what some posters would have said if a man behaved this way.

Redroses11 · 07/03/2016 21:13

I have Lorelei and it sounds to me like she holds her tongue most of the time. Arguably, she should be communicating with him, but we don't know what such communication entails when it happens.

Atenco · 07/03/2016 21:13

Love your post, TheAngelofNitshillRoad

As for this comment "I think that we( women) are too quick to judge the bad behaviour of men and also to rationalise the bad behaviour of women", I personally feel that the poster is asking for said rationalisation and, considering that his wife has been under a great deal of stress, it is quite easy to do.

BigQueenBee · 07/03/2016 21:21

So mean don't suffer from stress ?

lorelei9 · 07/03/2016 21:22

I bet some posters here woukd say "days of silence punctuated by monosyllabic replies" was "emotional abuse". I certainly wouldn't call it that but I'm pretty sure a reversal of the sexes woukd have raised EA by now.

BigQueenBee · 07/03/2016 21:24

Men I meant to say.. I know a few men who are in abusive relationships. My ex boss used to be regularly beaten by his wife.
Abuse by women is still seen as taboo in our culture, but it exists.
It isn't always men who are he " baddies".

Redroses11 · 07/03/2016 21:28

The OP is not being beaten by his wife, nor verbally attacked. At worst, she is ignoring him.

AugustMoon · 07/03/2016 21:36

Is she your mother or your wife? Why are you getting her elaborate gifts for mother's day? I never understand this. She sounds very ungrateful but I know women like this who's husbands do everything they can and the get to the point they can treat them like shit and it just makes them more attentive. Suckers.

Having said that. I get the cake incident. That would seriously upset me, wanting to do something special and failing. Baking is very stressful! OP dont underestimate how upsetting that must have been. Lucky though that she had you to take it out on, I think that sort of thing is pretty normal for a couple. Not that I know what normal is!

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 07/03/2016 21:49

I learned from my DMum that that is how you act and react to things. Shouting, silent treatment, throwing things, slamming doors... it was all "normal" to me after growing up with it. Jumping to the conclusion that anything DH did "wrong" was on purpose and out to sabotage me. My reaction to stress was always to blow up and take it out on him. Was I abusive towards him? Probably. Blush Sad But. He trained me out of it. Wouldn't put up with any of my shit, wouldn't accept my accusations. He always said (or sometimes yelled, if I was already yelling) "FFS I am on your team. Can we please start with the assumption that I am not an asshole, that I am not out to get you, that we are on the same side here?"

I agree with other posters that it is a stressful time for both of you. Small children, her going back to work, parents visiting, birthday parties etc etc. But she is acting like the old me, I see it so clearly. I am so grateful to DH for sorting me out instead of just walking away from me (some therapy helped too!). We really are a proper team these days.

Flowers OP. I hope you can find your way to the same happy outcome.

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