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At breaking point with my wife

227 replies

JamesTiberiusKirk · 07/03/2016 12:17

This weekend was a culmination of fractures that have left me feeling that my marriage is in serious danger.

Firstly, it was our daughter’s birthday weekend, with a children’s party on Saturday, and a family gathering at our house on the Sunday. For the Sunday, my wife had promised my daughter a multi-tiered rainbow cake, not an easy endeavor to bake, and unfortunately it went wrong. I tried to reassure her that we could get a nice replacement (which I went out and bought) and that it was fine – baking something ambitious for the first time is always open to trouble, and I tried to make her feel better. The cake and hand mixer were violently dumped in the bin, and she proceeded to treat me like crap for the rest of the day – accusing me of not tidying / cleaning fast enough (I cleaned and tidied the entire house before our guests arrived.) and generally being really vile.

Secondly, it was, of course, mothering Sunday. I had bought cards over a week ago, and had planned to go into town on the Saturday afternoon to pick up some gifts. The plan changed slightly so I could go to Cribbs Causeway in Bristol. This was to get sandwich platters from the Marks and Spencer’s there, as well as to give me a better selection of shops to get her something from. She raised no objections to any of this on the Saturday. I got her a box of Chocolates from Hotel Chocolat, a bunch of blood-orange roses and a voucher to a beauty store that she likes a lot. I felt that was a nice package for her. I took the kids downstairs early on Sunday morning, so she could have a 3 hour lie-in. We all came up as a family to give her the gifts later on while she was in bed, and she seemed happy with everything. It was only later in the evening that she complained about what I had done. She said that the whole thing had been an afterthought, and then, most painfully, said that she felt I was buying her chocolates to sabotage her weight-loss efforts (she recently started dieting in advance of her friend’s wedding later this year). Suffice to say, that was not on my mind when I bought the chocolates.

This is not new behavior, having happened a number of time previously. The point of friction leads to days of silent treatment punctured by mono-syllabic responses. I find it all incredibly stressful and I end up just feeling very lonely. My wife struggles to talk about emotional issues like this, and it usually veers between silence or outbursts. We have talked about how unhappy I am with this before and either she promises to change, or she minimizes the issue, which makes me look unreasonable. I don’t want to be having the same conversation for the rest of my life. I feel like a punching bag and I am sick of it.

I am, of course, a long way from perfect. I have found the increased demands of two children hard to handle at times, and I get frustrated a lot and can be short-tempered. I am also significantly over-weight, as is my wife, and I think this is a major drag-factor on our general happiness. All that said, I don’t think (and have never been accused) of allowing this to devolve into cruel or abusive (emotionally) behavior, and this is where I feel we are now. When these kind of situations arise she behaves like a bully.

There is no pull-factor at play here, no other person I have an eye on. It is a non-factor here.

Am I being massively unreasonable here in my expectations of how a couple should work and communicate together? Are these Mother’s Day presents unacceptable?

OP posts:
leelu66 · 08/03/2016 16:16

Pablo

leelu If a woman posted on a forum where she knew her husband posted, a forum predominantly used by fathers, if she included a lot of personal information, I'd be suspicious of motives.

If you and squizita have experience of a certain of type of person who can always paint themselves in a good light, then I think yes, you could spot this better than me.

On MN, we can only rely on the OP's narrative and have to form our views based on that alone, whether they are male or female.

ProjectPerfect · 08/03/2016 16:17

And despite what you say:

the key purpose of coming on here was to get perspectives and advice that I might not have thought off, in an attempt to improve this situation

You answers feel more like you're looking for a stick to beat your wife with not a resolution.

NinaTneurons · 08/03/2016 16:35

roundaboutthetown

I think it's wrong to take a superficial approach and brush things under the carpet by OP expecting and only seeing an apology/repentance from his DW as necessary.

My point is that OP needs to see that if his DW's behaviour is showing a pattern during all these life changes spanning a few years (having kids etc.) - she's in a bad place and needs help.

People are focusing on what she's done wrong (been 'unreasonable'/spoilt etc), and validating OP in what he's done right - which is great if that's all OP is after, but not great when it comes to salvaging a relationship in which issues need to be addressed.

My friend recently experienced her DH doing something similar to OP's DW, and I gave her the same advice - her DH must be under a lot of stress for him to 'blow up' towards objects in this way.

I'm not judging, I'm not saying OP is wrong, but I think his approach needs to be genuinely emotionally invested in his relationship and the wellbeing of his DW just as much as hers should be for him.

pablothepenguin · 08/03/2016 16:48

OK sorry. I have completely judged and possibly projected. Sorry.

Mappcat · 08/03/2016 17:18

Just a quick note as I am in a rush, but I think your offers of breakfast in bed and the gifts you got were lovely. I am not feeling hard done by at all by my Mothers Day, but she got a damn sight more than I did and with more thought, so I think that she is being pretty unfair.

Sadly I see some of my behaviour in the way you describe your wife. Personally, I think she is pretty unhappy in and with herself and is taking it out on you. You sound like a decent chap and perhaps have become a bit of an emotional punchbag. You two really need to talk properly about what the heck is going on and how you can both improve/fix things.

Best of luck :)

WhatALoadOfOldBollocks · 08/03/2016 17:23

"I think you need to try and understand what's going on with your wife."

Agreed, but he can't do anything unless she tells him what's pissing her off rather than explode when her bottled up frustration/annoyance/anger gets too much. Lack of communication seems to be the crux of the issue here and OP has already said she won't discuss her issues, so what the hell is he supposed to do? Develop mind-reading skills?Confused

"If a woman were posting these things about her DH, she'd be told by many that her DH's behaviour was unacceptable, that any stress he was under was no excuse, and to get rid of him immediately."

^ This. MN is a great place but fuck me it can be embarrasingly sexist at times.

roundaboutthetown · 08/03/2016 17:28

NinaTNeurons - I am brushing nothing under the carpet, it is you who appears to want to. I am not saying the OP sounds like a model husband, as he doesn't. However, throwing stuff about and making someone feel pathetic and useless by haranguing them for being too slow and accusing them of trying to sabotage your efforts to get slim is on no planet an acceptable way to deal with stress. The dw needs to acknowledge she needs help to control her vicious, vindictive temper, or help will not be forthcoming. There are no excuses for her behaviour, only possible explanations. Things will not get better until she acknowledges that they both have a problem with her temper, her possible depression and maybe other things besides, which her refusal to talk things through with her dh without resorting to nastiness is not helping.

Mappcat · 08/03/2016 17:42

You know, I'm gobsmacked by some of the replies on here. If a woman were posting these things about her DH, she'd be told by many that her DH's behaviour was unacceptable, that any stress he was under was no excuse, and to get rid of him immediately. I do think this situation might be very salvageable, if both OP and his DW want it to be...but I do wish that, although much of the advice given here is excellent, some posters had a little more tolerance in how they treat requests for help from men.

Well said, Gobbo!

NinaTneurons · 08/03/2016 17:45

Roundaboutthetown

I agree that she needs to talk.

JamesTiberiusKirk

Has she got friends, family anyone else who she can talk to? Her mum, a best friend, a mother-toddler/hobby group? It seems something's preventing her from speaking to you, may be its too close to home/situation?

I'd suggest that she comes on here (as its her who is having difficulty expressing herself in the home) but I think there may be more reason now for her to be upset.

Atenco · 08/03/2016 17:50

squizita actually, I may not have expressed myself properly, I meant to say that I consider that sulking can be a form of emotional abuse, I just added the reason why my mother had been forced in that behaviour.

Atenco · 08/03/2016 17:56

OP all the detail makes your wife look bad, and your faults are mentioned seemingly to show how self aware and fair you are

That is so unfair, pablo. If the OP didn't mention any of his personal faults, you would accuse him of trying to portray himself as a saint. And is not trying to make his wife look bad, he is, just like other posters, talking about a problem that is affecting him in his relationship, that is what this thread is for.

And maybe a woman would be told to LTB, but I'm not certain that that is what the OP wants and, given the obvious stress that the wife is under and that us other mothers can identify with, I don't think that that is necessarily the best solution.

Sallyhasleftthebuilding · 08/03/2016 18:04

I think you need to sit down and divide the labour -

Who cooks - who shops who vacuums who cleans the loo empty the bins - who baths the kids does the washing and bedtime -

I find my DH will see obvious mess but not think to vacuum the stairs or dry a scout uniform -

He wouldn't mention or pick up toilet roll -

Nor would he sort bedding or beds for visitors or offer a menu for shopping or help plan stuff to do when they are here - quite often he would step back and allow his mom to mother him - a grown make can make coffee all year except when mom visits?

He wouldn't think to take the kids to the shops - to give me a breather - he ups and goes -

You need to think what you want - she may welcome a break and you know this

lorelei9 · 08/03/2016 18:24

Sally, what thread are you reading? Have you posted on the correct one?

Sallyhasleftthebuilding · 08/03/2016 18:33

Yep - wife at breaking point -

Back at work after ML where no doubt she did everything - so now they needs to rearrange the childcare and house work - two working parents - two need a break - two need to keep up the house -

I'm not surprised she had a meltdown!!!

StillDrSethHazlittMD · 08/03/2016 18:36

Sighs.

NinaTneurons · 08/03/2016 18:49

JamesTiberiusKirk

I'm sympathetic that you feel bullied and that she's having these outbursts.

Has she got friends, family anyone else who she can talk to? Her mum, a best friend, a mother-toddler/hobby group? It might be that she too needs other people's perspectives to help her clear her head and talk to you.

LoveBoursin · 08/03/2016 18:51

This thread is weird.
If role were reverse and it was a woman posting about her DP, the comments would very very different indeed.
The PA comments and 'erupting' would be seen as emotional abuse.
The throwing stuff would be seen as being violent etc etc
As for the gift not being good enough... yep, let's concentratre on what he did 'wrong' and forget all the things he did 'right' (the lie in, the voucher she wanted, the flowers etc etc)

And I have never seen a woman starting by decribing how awful she is and how many defects she has before she could be listened to.

James I will tell you the same than I'm telling most people. When you are deeply unhappy i your relationship, you need to start looking for the issue in yourself rather than your ppartner.
That is ot to say that it is YOUR fault but that the oly person you can change is you, not your partner.
Sometimes, changing and becoming calmer, having techniques/tools to make life easier etc... is enough to settle the whole family down (ie your DW is getting less stressed and therefore thngs are easier, you can start talking and making changes together). Sometimes, it just makes you strong enoough to be able to face a separation or a difficult discussion. Sometimes again, it allows you to realise that the problem isn't coming from you think it's coming from.
If you feel angry and overweight and overwhlemed, then work on those for yurself.

WhatALoadOfOldBollocks · 08/03/2016 19:08

"Back at work after ML where no doubt she did everything - so now they needs to rearrange the childcare and house work - two working parents - two need a break - two need to keep up the house"
"I'm not surprised she had a meltdown!!!"
Jeez, talk about a huge assumption and projecting!Hmm All we know is what OP has said, and that is that his wife does not discuss her issues. That they then build up until she explodes at OP. That he has already tried to discuss this with her and she says she'll try and communicate, but then doesn't. If OP was a woman I bet you'd be calling her partner abusive, and to LTB because he's been told his behaviour is damaging yet doesn't change. Wouldn't you Sally?

Sallyhasleftthebuilding · 08/03/2016 19:35

I think he should leave -

Nothing to do with male/female

Bringing up kids is hard work and it should be shared.

Same with house work -

He made a big deal if "rescuing the day" with a shop brought cake - and you all seem to think he's a wonderful husband - it's not me with blinkers on!

Come on op - what did you do last week to help your wife? She threw it in the bin - not at you!!!!!

StillDrSethHazlittMD · 08/03/2016 19:39

Oh Sally you just love reading full threads, ignoring what he says that doesn't fit in with your scenario and projecting your own stuff into things he hasn't said at all

lorelei9 · 08/03/2016 19:40

Sally - why are you assuming the OP doesn't do anything?

Are you one of those who lives on planet "Men Never Clean or Do Housework"? I myself have never encountered that planet till arriving on MN.

I think the OP has realised that half the posters on the thread are projecting haven't read his thread properly so I'll doubt he'll be back.

but he had said that he was sorting the house cleaning and presumably the party catering

"she proceeded to treat me like crap for the rest of the day – accusing me of not tidying / cleaning fast enough (I cleaned and tidied the entire house before our guests arrived.) and generally being really vile.

Secondly, it was, of course, mothering Sunday. I had bought cards over a week ago, and had planned to go into town on the Saturday afternoon to pick up some gifts. The plan changed slightly so I could go to Cribbs Causeway in Bristol. This was to get sandwich platters from the Marks and Spencer’s there,"

Sallyhasleftthebuilding · 08/03/2016 19:42

it was, of course, mothering Sunday. I had bought cards over a week ago, and had planned to go into town on the Saturday afternoon to pick up some gifts. The plan changed slightly so I could go to Cribbs Causeway in Bristol. This was to get sandwich platters from the Marks and Spencer’s there,"

Did he take PIL did he take the kids?

He hasn't answered a lot of questions on here at all -

lorelei9 · 08/03/2016 19:46

Sally, he hasn't answered the questions on here that were batshit insane of no relevance to the problem he posted about.

as I said before, I've seen many a thread where people call "EA" on a man who isn't speaking to his partner.

anyway, I'm off too now because this is just too stupid. Beginning to think there's been something in the water the last few days...MN is mad at the moment.

Princessjonsie · 08/03/2016 20:10

I think your wife and my husband would make a perfect pair . Perhaps we should introduce them to each other and then run like hell in the opposite direction and live a happy life lol. Feel your pain . Mine is currently sulking downstairs for some reason or other. Lost the will to ask. Was ok on the phone at 3.30pm ( said I love you and see you later etc) but by 5.00 pm he came through the door with a face like a smacked Arse and when I asked if he was ok he said " obviously not" and that was the last thing he has said to me. Offered to cook him some food which he refused with a curt No. They sound like they would make each other very miserable ( which is what they deserve) and we could run away somewhere warm with the kids and sing and dance in the sunshine. Lol good luck and remember you have a friend and counter part in me x

HumptyDumptyBumpty · 08/03/2016 20:18

Sorry, haven't RTFT fully, but I used to (and on bad days still do) act like your DW, OP.
In my case, it's very low self-esteem, PND and PTSD. I erupt suddenly over ridiculous things (have thrown cake in bin/on floor and screamed, literally, before). It's not deliberate, it's a reaction to feeling out of control.
I also know it's unreasonable, unhealthy and unfair on DH. He tries to help, but mostly I have to work on myself.
I'm sorry you're suffering this treatment, and I'm absolutely sure your DW does love you, does regret her behaviour after the fact, and doesn't mean to be unkind and unreasonable.

How is her family with conflict? I learned how to give the silent treatment from a family where that was how you 'punished' someone who'd upset you. I'm trying to unlearn, but it is hard. If you can bear with her, if she wants to recover, I think you could get back to being happily married, I'm on the road, so it can be done.

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