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At breaking point with my wife

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JamesTiberiusKirk · 07/03/2016 12:17

This weekend was a culmination of fractures that have left me feeling that my marriage is in serious danger.

Firstly, it was our daughter’s birthday weekend, with a children’s party on Saturday, and a family gathering at our house on the Sunday. For the Sunday, my wife had promised my daughter a multi-tiered rainbow cake, not an easy endeavor to bake, and unfortunately it went wrong. I tried to reassure her that we could get a nice replacement (which I went out and bought) and that it was fine – baking something ambitious for the first time is always open to trouble, and I tried to make her feel better. The cake and hand mixer were violently dumped in the bin, and she proceeded to treat me like crap for the rest of the day – accusing me of not tidying / cleaning fast enough (I cleaned and tidied the entire house before our guests arrived.) and generally being really vile.

Secondly, it was, of course, mothering Sunday. I had bought cards over a week ago, and had planned to go into town on the Saturday afternoon to pick up some gifts. The plan changed slightly so I could go to Cribbs Causeway in Bristol. This was to get sandwich platters from the Marks and Spencer’s there, as well as to give me a better selection of shops to get her something from. She raised no objections to any of this on the Saturday. I got her a box of Chocolates from Hotel Chocolat, a bunch of blood-orange roses and a voucher to a beauty store that she likes a lot. I felt that was a nice package for her. I took the kids downstairs early on Sunday morning, so she could have a 3 hour lie-in. We all came up as a family to give her the gifts later on while she was in bed, and she seemed happy with everything. It was only later in the evening that she complained about what I had done. She said that the whole thing had been an afterthought, and then, most painfully, said that she felt I was buying her chocolates to sabotage her weight-loss efforts (she recently started dieting in advance of her friend’s wedding later this year). Suffice to say, that was not on my mind when I bought the chocolates.

This is not new behavior, having happened a number of time previously. The point of friction leads to days of silent treatment punctured by mono-syllabic responses. I find it all incredibly stressful and I end up just feeling very lonely. My wife struggles to talk about emotional issues like this, and it usually veers between silence or outbursts. We have talked about how unhappy I am with this before and either she promises to change, or she minimizes the issue, which makes me look unreasonable. I don’t want to be having the same conversation for the rest of my life. I feel like a punching bag and I am sick of it.

I am, of course, a long way from perfect. I have found the increased demands of two children hard to handle at times, and I get frustrated a lot and can be short-tempered. I am also significantly over-weight, as is my wife, and I think this is a major drag-factor on our general happiness. All that said, I don’t think (and have never been accused) of allowing this to devolve into cruel or abusive (emotionally) behavior, and this is where I feel we are now. When these kind of situations arise she behaves like a bully.

There is no pull-factor at play here, no other person I have an eye on. It is a non-factor here.

Am I being massively unreasonable here in my expectations of how a couple should work and communicate together? Are these Mother’s Day presents unacceptable?

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MissBeaHaving · 07/03/2016 16:27

I was just thinking that myself Red.

If op Dw does use Mn it's very identifying.

Your wife sounds very unhappy Op,she has a lot on her plate,I couldn't do all she is with my in laws visiting on top.

Find a way of talking to her,ask her if she's struggling & what you can do.
Tell her you love her & give her a hug!

GreenFlowerPurpleLeaves · 07/03/2016 16:28

Agree with Backingvocals - when it is women writing on MN about their DHs behaving in a similar fashion, people generally don't say 'oh come off it, what annoying thing was it that you did to set your DH off?'.

Also, some people are arseholes and do really get angry over the smallest things that actually have nothing to do with what is immediately happening but I do not think it is ever right to continually take it out on your partner.

I really believe that if this OP was a DW talking of her DH it would have sparked totally different responses. Shows double standardness of mn really. Lots of people on her making excuses for the OP's wife which they wouldn't if it was reversed.

Mrskeats · 07/03/2016 16:29

I'm incredulous re the comments that the gifts were stereotypical still
I agree there's a lot of pressure in your situation though

bigbuttons · 07/03/2016 16:29

What is it with some posters here?
OP at no point did you come across as being saintly. You sound like really decent bloke doing his best for his wife and family . You sound like a very thoughtful and caring man.
You wife is clearly very unhappy and she needs to understand what is driving this behaviour.
You are being treated badly by her, there are no two ways about it.
Good luck with having the discussion that you have to have. It won't be easy but as you rightly said, things can't go on as they are.

tingon · 07/03/2016 16:29

Well, she sounds terrible, and you sound wonderful.

You poor man, this is so sad.

springydaffs · 07/03/2016 16:32

Oh dear. You think your marriage is in 'serious' trouble? Welcome to marriage. With a new baby. With a recent move. With her going back to work.

We have no way of knowing the true dynamic between you both. You have highlighted your wife's inability to communicate effectively, or productively, and this, along with the other stresses you are facing, are perfect material to be addressed in eg structured marriage courses. Plenty of them about. From there you could proceed to eg Relate but you may find most of your difficulties are adequately addressed on the course /s.

I honestly find a lot of what you are unhappy about as bog standard early marriage /baby difficulties. Yy she had some unpalatable faults but I'm sure you do too - all part of that [very] challenging mashing together that comes as you adjust to being a strong unit. It sure ain't easy.

I also honestly think you have to grow a thicker skin about her moaning about the chocolates - if she is overweight then it's likely she has poor impulse control around food, so waggling gorgeous chocs under her nose is going to be very challenging when she had turned a corner (ime of similar, a box of chocs can set me right back for a long time ).

But the fact you are very hurt, and she is very short -tempered does indicate you are both feeling very stretched. You also seem to have got into the groove of blaming one another - so far, so normal. Apart from posting on a parenting forum, which is a big step in the blame game tbh. But you may feel beleaguered, desperate to be heard. Can you talk to someone older, or at least someone who is through these very challenging years. Though take no notice of anyone who jumps to ' she's an ungrateful whatnot '. That really isn't going to help at all. Just as her friends saying ' he is an insensitive whatnot ' doesn't help either.

The early parenting years can be, usually are, soo hard on a marriage. Bear that in mind - and get the right support.

Jjou · 07/03/2016 16:33

Agree with Backingvocals.

She may well be struggling with going back to work. And from what I remember, the times when we had a baby and a small child were the toughest for me and DH. You lose so much of your relationship in trying to make the immediate work, and sleep deprivation etc. makes everything worse. It's easy to become bogged down in negativity and sniping.

(Plus if my PIL came to stay with us ever, I would be in a complete murderous rage until they'd gone, so that might be a mitigating factor too.)

But you need to talk to her. Even in the worst times I wouldn't have liked DH to feel like you do, so communicate.

Jackiebrambles · 07/03/2016 16:36

Op I'm not excusing her. She was ungrateful about the gifts.

But.

I've got a toddler and a 9 month old. It's almost as if the tiredness has finally caught up with me and I'm exhausted. And stressed. And I'm not back at work yet.

I had to walk out of the kitchen on Saturday lunchtime. My toddler was whining/being noisy, the baby was crying and Dh was asking what he should do about something food related.

I then spilt some water on my jeans and temporarily lost it! I threw the plastic cup in the sink and stormed out to the bathroom.

If I stayed in the kitchen I probably would have screamed at them all.

Not reasonable behavior at all. But this is the hardest bit of my life so far - 2 demanding kids, a home to run etc. plus all my clothes look shit and I'm still fat. It's a hard time.

Cut her some slack, try and set up a 'date night' and talk to her.

specialsubject · 07/03/2016 16:46

chocolates not thoughtless at all. it is not necessary to scarf them all at once. That kind of self-control is essential to lose weight.

you said she likes stuff from a beauty store, so you bought something she likes. Sounds thoughtful to me.

if this was reversed there would be cries of LTB. This marriage sounds no fun for either of you. The behaviour over the cake 'can't do it! Waah! Throw things away! Sulk' is that of a five year old. The sulks and silent treatment are also awful. If your wife treats you with 'venom' that is horrific.

godawful role model for your kids. Do you like each other at all? Do you respect each other? Doesn't sound like it to me.

stop wasting each other's time and decide where you are going. Good luck. Life is too short for this shit.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 07/03/2016 17:01

I honestly find a lot of what you are unhappy about as bog standard early marriage /baby difficulties

oh for fucks sake! sorry but if man behaved like Ops wife!

she is taking out her unhappiness on her DH, and he is walking on egg shells

nuff said

god this page should have a warning- don't fuckinhg bother posting if you have a penis

CesareBorgiasUnicornMask · 07/03/2016 17:04

OP I really think you should think more about post-natal depression. My son is 19 months now and I was only diagnosed a couple of months ago - for most of the time I didn't feel depressed as such, but one massive thing for me was overwhelming resentment and anger towards my (lovely, helpful and very forbearing DH). While I was off on maternity leave I was jealous he got a break and adult interraction; when I returned to uni I was jealous he didn't seem to have the guilt/ sore boobs/ emotional upheaval of leaving DS. Nothing he did was good enough - I got trapped in a cycle of niggling and nagging and finding fault with everything, which in turn understandably eventually wound him right up and made him unwilling to engage beyond the basics. The thing is I was completely and utterly convinced I was right. I actually also accused him of sabotaging my diet one day when he arrived home late from work to find the house a tip and no food in, and he totally unreasonably ordered an Indian... Blush.
Anyway - he was no saint either, and by his own admission didn't always deal with things brilliantly - but basically I was a nightmare, and after finally going to the GP and being on citalopram for eight weeks now, things are so much better. We are communicating and acting as a team, we haven't had an argument for over a month, and I am able to see that my previous behaviour was weird and out of chatacter.

Obviously not saying this is certainly true for your wife, but it's definitely something to bear in mind as so much of your post really resonated with me. An early sign with me was a massive hissy fit over failed scones for my son's christening...

Yankeepoodle · 07/03/2016 17:10

Other posters have mentioned that this time (toddler+baby+return to work) is pretty much the toughest bit of the parenting ride. Throw in in-laws and a birthday party and something's bound to crack. Lots of couples can just ride this out, it's really tough for a while, but it passes. BUT you've said that this pattern in your relationship has been there even when there weren't such pressures. For relationships to survive the realities of life with small children and busy jobs then you really need to be kind to each other. It's only OK to snap and take it out on each other if you recognise your own behaviour as unreasonable and apologise afterwards. You say you're short tempered, do you make reparations afterwards? If so, you have every right to expect the same from your partner.

Ultimately, I think plantsitter has it right: "You both sound stressed out and maybe depressed. Not uncommon for parents of small children, but if you can't talk about it, you're doomed IMO. I'd be suggesting you went to counselling - jointly or separately."

Good luck with your talk.

JamesTiberiusKirk · 07/03/2016 17:21

Thanks again for all the advice, both positive / supporting and the constructive criticism, which I have found really helpful.

I think I need to look into PND a lot more in order to support my wife a bit better. I also appreciate what a difficult week this has been, and I need to weight the stress level accordingly.

I have found some of the less constructive comments a bit depressing to be honest, though I have been around these boards long enough to know that they would be coming my way. That said, I find it comforting that husbands / male partners can come on Mumsnet and raise these kind of issues and get more good advice than scorn. It has helped me a lot, so please extend that courtesy to the next guy who wanders in looking for help.

Thanks again.

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springydaffs · 07/03/2016 17:39

Which were the less constructive comments op? Most seem to be heavily weighted in your favour.

She may not have PND. She may, but she also may not. I'd tread carefully about assuming she does, though bcs it could be the equivalent of ' it's her period ' to dismiss what may be genuine concerns or genuinely unacceptable behaviour.

I know, minefield!

I tell you what though: on here you support a male poster and you get posters on your back ; you don't and ditto. Can't win.

Treats · 07/03/2016 17:43

I made a rainbow cake for my DD's last birthday. I'm an experienced baker, with good mental health and a very positive attitude to life.

It almost broke me......

I get very INVESTED in baking, and I do get irrationally upset when it doesn't work out the way I want it to.

It's even more irritating when DH tries to minimise the issue, by pretending it doesn't matter. Buying a replacement cake instead of agreeing with me that surely the day is RUINED, would probably send me into orbit.

If my ILs had been staying (and to say that we don't enjoy a warm relationship would be an understatement) I don't know how I would have been able to cope.

And if all of this had been happening on the week after I returned to work full time after the birth of my second baby - it's just not possible to imagine.

I'm not being flippant about your situation. It's just that I can easily imagine myself in your wife's shoes, not behaving much differently, despite being very happily married to my husband.

I would take a step back. Recognise that life is very hard for her at the moment, and her hitting out at you is probably a way of trying to make you see that she needs your support. I appreciate that you're trying your best, but what she's trying to say to you is that you're not doing the RIGHT things to support her.

Like buying her chocolates on Mother's Day - it's a bit of a token gift. A bit - "this is what I ought to do", rather than "what would MrsKirk really like?". I think she's trying to say that you need to pay a bit more attention and really listen, rather than always doing the thing that YOU think you should do.

pointythings · 07/03/2016 17:47

I am Shock at the double standards on here, I really am. A woman making these complaints about her H would have had a flurry of LTBs flung at her. And yes, OP's wife may be depressed, but as a wise poster elsewhere on MN told me not long ago, depression is not a license to behave badly.

A talk is badly needed - not the blaming kind, the 'we can't go on like this' kind. If OP's wife has PND, she needs to access support. Once that is in place it is probably worth talking about communication - all marriages could do with a spring clean every now and then, people do bottle up little resentments over years and then they fester and grow into a huge deal until they need talking about.

But the amount of flaming the OP is getting here is just unacceptable.

Jackiebrambles · 07/03/2016 17:51

I'm no baker and to be honest this is why I buy cakes. A failure cake in front of my in laws would really upset me too.

bigbuttons · 07/03/2016 17:52

sadly men nearly always get flamed for things here that women would be supported for.

GnomeDePlume · 07/03/2016 17:54

The gifts sound fine.

The lashing out under pressure does sound a bit like me. It took my DH telling me just how much my temper was hurting him to make me stop.

Atenco · 07/03/2016 17:55

Her behaviour over the weekend was totally unreasonable and ungrateful. However I do feel that your wife has had one stress after another, moving house with small children in tow, then going back to work, with the emotional toil of being separated from her small child, then a birthday party followed by a visit from the in-laws, none of which is your fault of course.

FrameyMcFrame · 07/03/2016 17:59

Goodness me, you're treading on eggshells there. I got up with the kids at 6 on Mother's Day because DH was tired from work, he got me nothing, because I'm not his mother. He's got his own mum!! I wasn't upset, because he's always nice to me... You sound like you've made a massive effort!!
You're going above and beyond, she's being unreasonable
What are you going to do op?

Redroses11 · 07/03/2016 18:05

Look to me, there is absolutely no abuse here that I can see!

  1. Woman returns to work after baby #2
  2. After busy week & exhaustion that brings, woman has to organise kids birthday party.
  3. Woman plans to bake a beautiful cake. Cake goes pear-shaped. Woman loses her shit - throws everything in the bin - vows never to bake again.
  4. Woman is trying to lose weight
  5. On top of her cake failure, stoopid man husband buys her fucking chocolates!
  6. Woman has to entertain party.
  7. Woman has to entertain inlaws

Result? Woman not fucking happy!!!

No abuse, just an exhausted stressed Mummy with an inconsiderate idiot of a husband.

springydaffs · 07/03/2016 18:05

I must search the thread anew then bcs for the most part I have seen what was summed up by one poster: ' she is horrible, you are wonderful, you poor man'. I think we can all agree relationships are complex and this is a notoriously stressful time [understatement!] for most couples.

We have only op's account of what is going on in their marriage. It's ridiculous to assume we know what's really going on and to draw b&w conclusions.

But perhaps it's only me who behaved badly sometimes during the very stressful early years and most on here are models of decorum. Though I did hear once of a friend who ripped off his pyjamas in frustration during an argument with his wife in the early years so perhaps I'm not the only one though I know full well I'm not

Look, these years are a baptism of fire for most of us. Our faults get magnified to the nth degree. 'oh you poor thing/she's ungrateful and entitled ' comments really don't help when there's a war on. So you were hurt she didn't appreciate your thoughtful chocolates - well yes I'm sure you were. But this stuff is small fry in the scheme of things: a full -blown marriage under a great deal of pressure. It is not in the serious category as you seem to think.

I am not dismissing your hurt about the chocolates. I think your hurt and her strops are symptomatic of how difficult you are finding things at the moment. My point is you aren't the only ones - almost everyone does!

bigbuttons · 07/03/2016 18:11

redroses your comments stupid.
Op if you are still reading, please ignore those just clearly spoiling for a fight like redroses. You get them a lot on here sadly.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 07/03/2016 18:28

I am sorry there is some stress in your relationship which requires careful thought and work. Even if she feels particularly hard done by, her issues do not automatically trump yours.

Was there ever a time when talking did instantly clear the air? One of the symptoms of depression is that of persistent and/or violent mood swings. Feelings don't fluctuate like normal emotions do but seem to be more intense than usual or take sudden turns. Stating the obvious, feeling bad about ourselves can lead us to lash out at others. Perhaps it's not as simple as being self-involved, perhaps your DW has been taking out her moodiness on you because you are the only "safe" person on whom she can offload her self doubts.

Recently going back to work after being on maternity leave, she may be struggling with adjustment. A packed weekend timetable followed by in-laws visiting may have been something she breezed through, pre-family.

Another wondering, is your wife a regular on MN? I appreciate your parents are not just coming to see you all but to help, but was this visit something that she had a say in?

After the parents' visit tell your DW how you are feeling. You are both adults, it's an equal partnership, you're in this together.

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