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Contacting the OW is a bad idea, right?

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IsabelleAdjani74 · 23/02/2016 09:02

DH and I have been through a couple of very rocky years and he had an affair which has been going on for a couple of months. The person he had an affair with was at school with him and they met up again about 6 months ago - her marriage was already in dire straits at the time and it was obvious to me from the outset that she was after him (I know he was stupid etc and it was his choice to have the affair) - but anyway we have decided we are going to try and make our marriage work and he has severed all ties with her.
I have never met her but at this point am dying to contact her - just basically to tell her to go and fuck herself and give her a load of abuse. Am SO angry and have never hated anyone as much as I hate her. I do have her contact details but much as I would feel vindicated and love having a go at her I think this would be an error - wouldn't it? I know keeping my dignity and not confronting her would is probably the best route to take but it is not nearly as fun as confronting her. Tell me this would be a mistake (or not!)

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Shutthatdoor · 23/02/2016 10:45

Hmmm....do you think you might be over-playing the OW's part in this and under-playing DH's?

I agree with this completely.

she's lost and I've won

This sentance sticks out tbh. It's like you are almost letting DH off the hook as if she made him do what he did.

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IsabelleAdjani74 · 23/02/2016 10:47

I am not letting DH off the hook - I have told him, and will continue to tell him, how his having an affair has made me feel. But she isn't an innocent party in this either.

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Keeptrudging · 23/02/2016 10:47

Isabelle, I don't know what I would do in your shoes. I'd like to think I would be strong and get rid, but it's easy to say that online. Flowers

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jellycat1 · 23/02/2016 10:48

Another vote for tell her husband.

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Razorlightnight · 23/02/2016 10:48

I know how you feel Isabelle. There's a reason to at least try and forgive your husband. Maybe the anger at the ow is misplaced but it's hard to know how you'd react until you're in it. It's been 8 weeks (and 3 days - but who's counting) since my happy life got turned upside down and I'm still none the wiser about what I want to do about it.

I know I'm glad I didn't call the ow in the early, angry, weepy days. I'm sure she'd have got a kick out of knowing she'd helped cause that despite not knowing who I am.

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Stumbletrip40 · 23/02/2016 10:49

of course there are other ways - run it out, see a counsellor - keep thinking about it until it doesn't hurt anymore - there are other ways to get rid of bad emotions. fwiw another woman came onto my dh when i had a newborn and was getting no sleep etc. My DH turned her down and expected me to feel sorry for this person because she was having a bad time in her life! She tried it again a few months later.

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Waltermittythesequel · 23/02/2016 10:52

Am SO angry and have never hated anyone as much as I hate her

He didn't have to let himself be manipulated

Come on. Really?

Look, I get that it's easier to focus your anger on her and paint your dh as some sort of victim of a scarlet woman but the only way you'll ever get fully over this (and I'm not sure that's even possible) is to properly acknowledge your dh's behaviour.

You really hate this stranger more than the man who made vows to you, promises to you? More than the man who lied to you, mistreated you and disrespected you?

He didn't let himself be manipulated. He fucked someone else.

I'm sorry, I know that's crude but THAT is what happened.

He didn't stumble and fall into her and you know that.

I think anger is healthy and normal. But direct it at the right person.

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Waltermittythesequel · 23/02/2016 10:54

Oh, and you haven't won anything.

You've told him that you will put up with the worst sort of behaviour from him.

For the rest of your life together, there will be the knowledge that he went somewhere else to get his rocks off when things got a bit rocky.

So, what happens next time there's a bad patch?

What sort of prize is that?!

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MoominPie22 · 23/02/2016 10:57

Again, in my personal opinion...I think it´s always a good thing to confront the OW because, not only does it give you the satisfaction of actually doing it and getting over it. But primarily, I think every OW should be made aware of how her actions ( and the man involved obv ) have effected you ( the wronged woman ) plus any kids involved.

I think when people embark on affairs, the partner who is being cheated on ( in this case you, OP ) is just some faceless person who the OW never plans on meeting and you can be imagined away. Kinda like you don´t exist in their reality. So it´s all pretty convenient and if the shit hits the fan and they get found out it´ll be the cheating partner ( in this case OP´s OH ) who cops it. OW can just walk away with no repercussions.

My argument for confronting would be to actually show OW that I am in fact a person with feelings. I do exist. And I would be telling the OW in no uncertain terms ( keeping my cool ) what I think of her and what she´s done to me and my family ( if there´s kids on the scene ) She deserves to know the hurt, the anguish etc that she´s caused.

And we could second guess till the cows come home how the OW might react but you know what? I would argue that´s irrelevant. Whether she makes a spiteful remark about how you must be crap in bed, whether she laughs in your face or whether she becomes aggressive and verbally abusive......doesn´t matter. YOU have the absolute right to confront her and let her know just how her actions have affected you and to give your opinion of her. That cannot be taken away from you. As long as you remain calm regardless of how she may react, you will have a clear conscience and walk away with your head held high.

How somebody reacts to us, in any sort of situation, is actually beyond our control. So I don´t see any point in guessing and playing the ¨What if....?¨ game.

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IsabelleAdjani74 · 23/02/2016 10:59

Waltermitty - don't think I haven't thought all that already. Don't think he is a victim of a scarlet women - I don't know if it is possible to get past this, have never been in this position before.
I know he fucked someone else and yes the idea that he has lied to me, mistreated me and disrespected me is almost more painful than I can bear at this point. Which is why it is easier to focus my anger on her than have to deal with the pain and devastation his behaviour has caused me.

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Waltermittythesequel · 23/02/2016 11:01

I'm not having a go, Isabelle but your last sentence is very telling.

You simply won't heal from this without dealing with it properly.

IMO, anyway. I'm not an expert.

It's not easy and it's not fair.

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stumblymonkey · 23/02/2016 11:04

TBH....I'm starting to think it's worth you contacting her to get the other side of the story.

Sounds to me that DH has fed you a lot of bullshit about being manipulated.

What happens if you contact the OW and find out HE pursued HER?

From all the situations I know of via friends etc I don't know of one example where the woman pursued the MM and he eventually caved....in all of them the MM pursued the OW.

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iwuddarryl · 23/02/2016 11:04

Whatyousee - you are right that in this case she has lost as he is staying with me.

OP, the above comment distrubs me a bit and I think you need to try and change your mindset regarding how you view the affair.
You seem to see your husband as some sort of 'prize' that you have ended up winning and the other person lost - and didn't get him.

Your husband is no prize.
He's a person who cheated on you and is not worthy of you.
If anybody's a prize in all this, it's you.
He's extremely lucky not to have lost you altogether because of his deceiving, underhanded selfish behavior.

Try to hang on to that thought.

He's not something that you and the OW should be fighting over.

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iwuddarryl · 23/02/2016 11:09

What happens if you contact the OW and find out HE pursued HER?

And this.
Your husband is going to tell you that it was all her perusing him.
But the truth of the matter is - nobody held a gun to his head and forced him to shag the ow.
He did it all of his own free will.

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iwuddarryl · 23/02/2016 11:10

pursuing him.

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Olddear · 23/02/2016 11:11

shes lost I've won What exactly have you won? A man so easily led and manipulated to lie and betray his wife he couldn't help himself, she bewitched him into having affair?
Both as bad as each other.

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choceclair123 · 23/02/2016 11:12

Another vote to tell OW's husband.

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IsabelleAdjani74 · 23/02/2016 11:13

I know you're not having a go Walter - I don't know how you deal with the devastation and the pain, have never been through this and don't know if it is possible to recover and forgive - I genuinely don't know.
And darryl yes, I agree - I am the fucking prize, not him and think you are right about changing the way I see this. Will try and hang on to the thought he has not lost me.
And as for getting her side of the story - I don't know if I could handle that. And whatever side she gave me, I would never know if she was telling the truth or not. If he had actually pursued her I don't think I could carry on with the marriage. Like I said am already struggling to know how to cope with the pain and devastation and don't think I could take any more.

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iwuddarryl · 23/02/2016 11:20

I don't think you should contact her.
You will never get the truth.
When people cheat, their whole 'relationship' is based around lies and deception, so she's not going to suddenly turn into an honest, upfront person and do the decent thing and tell you the truth.

It's best to leave her alone.

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MorrisZapp · 23/02/2016 11:29

If she tells you details of their relationship it could break you emotionally. At the moment you have the least harmful story to deal with, ie she pursued him etc.

It almost certainly wasn't all one way. Could you cope if for instance she showed you loving messages from him? Or him telling her his marriage was over etc?

Don't open yourself up to that unless you're ready to hear some very difficult stuff.

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Buzzardbird · 23/02/2016 11:38

I wouldn't tell the husband.

On one hand, he has been through enough, he might already know and prefers that other people don't know he has been cheated on.

And then, if he is 'unreasonable' then you don't know how he might react to what she has done. As much as you hate her I am sure you wouldn't want her to be at the end of an 'unreasonable' husband's anger?

Thirdly, be prepared for the fact that he might beat the shit of your husband.

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Buzzardbird · 23/02/2016 11:38

Sorry, I appear to have 3 hands^

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dilys4trevor · 23/02/2016 11:48

Sorry to hijack but i wondered if anyone will reassure me I am doing the right thing too in not contacting.

My circumstances are a bit different and there has been a death.

In a nutshell, my husband and I worked together in very senior roles at a company. We had a grim year where he was quite EA but refused to leave. I suspected an affair with a junior girl at the place where we both worked (I was five or six layers senior to her and was basically her bosses' bosses' boss etc). At the mention of this (denied) he changed totally overnight and became super attentive. I then discovered shortly after there had indeed been an affair and threw him out and changed the locks. He spent a week begging to come home and try again, saying she had been an ego boost and he was mortified and wanted to change etc. I was not convinced I had the truth by any stretch (he had claimed no sex) and was beyond livid with him. Refused to speak to him. Our boss stood by me and told H he would need to step down from his position and also told this girl to go (she couldn't be fired as had been the younger and 'more vulnerable' one but was sent home to work remotely and told not to return).

H killed himself after a week of living in a hotel and fretting about his job, life without a family and the future, as a result of the affair (he had told me he had felt like he had ruined his life by doing this and wanted to die, but I dismissed it as self pity).

Girl long gone now and whilst I had focused my rage on him before he died, I can't help but think she's obviously vile. She had known me (even if not at all well), I had been a company leader and on maternity leave when it started, and it carried on when I came back (she sat 20 yards from me). They had been flagrant in the pub I am told, when I always left on time to look after our children.

I am told her partner knows nothing about any of it and she simply went to a new job. It depresses and enrages me that she seemingly gets away 'scot free' with no change to her life. I have three young children with no father and I now have to go back to work with everyone knowing all (to be fair that's because I was livid when I first found out and did not keep it quiet) and as a widow. My boss told me she tried to hang on to her job and wouldn't resign for weeks even after he had died, so is clearly quite crass. I'd like to think she is also scarred by the experience and maybe even a bit sorry, but her behaviour after his death makes me think likely not.

I still don't know the truth about what happened with them (he admitted in a last ditch attempt to work things out that it had gone on a year and had been sexual and he wanted to confess all and start again with a clean slate) but for all I know he had also been trying to keep options open with her and she ditched him! Who knows. I couldn't trust him at all by the end.

I KNOW there is nothing to be gained from contacting her. He is dead and I don't want to grub the situation further or give her any satisfaction. And they had both lied in a bid to keep their jobs about the extent of it so I won't get any truth out of her anyway. And I am still in that very senior role so feel like I cannot be heard on the grapevine by any staff (some of the junior members of which are her friends) to be having any slanging match with her. And of course, he behaved revoltingly throughout and told her God knows what nonsense about me (he may even have said we were already split, leading separate lives etc, whilst in fact I was repeatedly asking him to leave and he wouldn't). But part of me would love to tell her boyfriend or turn up at her house to see her squirm like the low life she is. Or ask her what he told her and what happened with them in the final week. Or ask does she even care that a man is dead and three kids have to live with that forever. I am a bit tortured by hashing it over and over.

I am hoping in time I will stop wondering as he was a twat anyway and if I am honest, I had fallen out of love with him.

Sorry for the long post and hijack. I just need to know that my silence and focus on my kids and rebuilding my career is the right to do. Or am I a giant mug?

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iwuddarryl · 23/02/2016 11:48

And then, if he is 'unreasonable' then you don't know how he might react to what she has done. As much as you hate her I am sure you wouldn't want her to be at the end of an 'unreasonable' husband's anger?

The OW's safety and wellbeing iare not OP's responsibility.

Thirdly, be prepared for the fact that he might beat the shit of your husband.
If he did, once again, it wouldn't be OP's fault in any way.


I mentioned the above, because people are alwlays quick (and rightly so) to point out that the issue is not so much the OW, but the Husband in these cases.
But I also think it's worth pointing out that, regardless of who tells who what, any repercussions are NOT the fault of the wronged wife.

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IsabelleAdjani74 · 23/02/2016 11:49

Having read all your very balanced, useful and thoughtful replies - am not going to contact her, or her husband. I don't think I could deal with hearing anything he might have told her and I know my husband is the one who has wronger me more than she has. Still don't know how I deal with the hurt and devastation, how I move on, how it's even possible?

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