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Please help. Husband leaving after 26 years

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tartanbuggy · 30/01/2016 21:19

I am starting a new thread with a post that I posted within another (very helpful) thread. Just looking for some hand holding please. So very sad.

This happened to me last night. Married 26 years, 3 kids (20 and 17 year old twins). DH and I had not been close or happy with each other for a long time and had grown apart, but I still didn't see it coming. He has got together with somebody at work (he is 54 and the boss), she is 28. He said that they had been attracted to each other for a long time but had not acted upon it until he realised that our marriage was dead. He wants to move out and has said I can stay in the house with the children, but he wants to change our joint account to a single account and then he will continue to pay the bills and arrange to pay an allowance to me for the kids and any necessities. This will be paid into my separate bank account. He earns a lot, I don't. I was SAHM for many years and then spend two years up and down to help my parents who lived at the other end of the country and have since died. I am working p/t time at the moment, but it is term-time only and I earn very little.

I feel like I'm in a dream. I keep "forgetting" and then remembering. I feel numb but with a weird churning sensation in my stomach. I haven't been happy in the marriage either - DH can, in my opinion, be quite difficult to live with and I gradually withdrew and stuck my head in the sand. It then all went round in circles. He said he had been unhappy for a number of years, and that if we had been happy together then the other woman "would not have existed".

The kids don't know yet. They will be told and I am absolutely dreading their reaction. I don't think I can bear it. Oldest DD is mentally very fragile and has been struggling with depression, culminating in an overdose a few weeks ago. Physically she is fine, but I am so worried about her.

I feel sick. Really, really sick and humiliated and terrified about the future and how we will manage. Please, MNers, let me know this can be got through. I am so scared.

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tartanbuggy · 27/02/2016 07:53

Oh, dear. The early morning blues strike again Sad This sadness, fear, flatness is completely hemming me in. The world and everything in it seems so different and strange. It reminds me of when I was about nine and went abroad on a school trip. I struggled dreadfully with homesickness and I remember sitting on the coach crying because everything looked so different, even the water in the river was a completely different blue to the rivers I was used to seeing at home. That's exactly how I feel now, 45 years later.

I'm finding it very useful to talk to people but am becoming hesitant about imposing on them now. I do have the DC at home, but they are all struggling with things in their own way and are giving off signals that they don't really want to talk about it all too much. I think there's a lot of internalising going on and they seem to be trying to achieve some sort of normality in their everyday lives. They are carrying on with college, football, gym, seeing friends, etc. This won't be helped by a weepy, flaky mum trying to vent her feelings about their dad to them. I am sure they are hurt by what he's done, but they are bound to have conflicting feelings which are very hard to cope with.

I remember that when my dad was in the later stages of Alzheimer's, my mum found it extremely difficult to understand. She was frightened, bitter and confused and blamed the person rather than the illness. She used to phone me to rant about him and the fact that he was, in her opinion, doing strange things "deliberately" and kept "spying on her". I could understand the situation but still found it incredibly hurtful to hear such horrible things said about my dad. She found it hard to live with him and his illness, but her relationship with him was completely different to mine. This was only a few short years ago and I, as an adult, struggled massively with the conflict in their relationship, so I can't imagine what it must be like for teenagers/young adults. DD1 is not in a good place at the moment, obviously, and is very anti her dad. I don't want to encourage this too much, ie facilitate her taking sides, because I really don't think it's going to help with her mental health issues and I'm very much afraid for her going forward in life with issues about her relationship with her father. It seems to me that's a terribly destructive thing to have. DH had issues with his dad, largely unresolved, and took his sudden death very hard indeed. He became very angry and lashed out verbally. OW also seems to have abandonment issues with her own parents. And see how nicely they both turned out! Double miaow with knobs on.

DH has OW to talk things through with and no doubt she can remind him that he's doing the right thing by leaving and that his DW had been making him miserable for years. No doubt she's reassuring him that he deserves happiness after all this time and that although his children are angry just now, they will come round and see him for the loving, caring dad he is. No doubt she is reminding him that he supported his family and fat, lazy wife for many years and that it's now about time said wife got off her fat arse and started earning her keep. Any little wobbles he may have, she is there to soothe him and care for him and hold his hand, at any time of the day and night. Remind him how wonderful, caring, clever, misunderstood and deserving he is ...

I do have the DCs, but I can't inflict this sort of thing on them; I can't go running to them every time I have a crying fit or a moment of sheer panic, because I can see how my distress distresses them and it's not fair. My friends are fantastic, but they don't live here and do have their own lives and families. Sometimes, the grief and fear strikes unexpectedly and at all hours of the day and night; that's when I need somebody close by and available just to hold my hand and talk me down. Sometimes, it only needs a few minutes of reassurance. I'm finding it difficult because if I go out to see friends, then I feel I'm leaving the DC on their own thinking about things, but if I have friends back here, the DC know that we're all sitting talking about their dad and how horrible he has been to poor old mum. It's so so hard; I'm trying to be the best I can for them but at the same time I need so much help as well.

At the moment, I feel so old, fat, worthless and useless. Like some ugly old toad just squatting in a pond doing feck all but glare bitterly at life passing by. I feel so powerless and helpless at what has been done to me and the absolute certainty emanating from DH that it's my fault and my current predicament is of my own making. Bloody hell! I just felt the earth shake with collective MNetters leaping up and down in rage at what I have just posted. I know, I know! I know what all of you have posted and how wise, true and helpful your words and thoughts have been. I know how much you have helped me and still are helping me. I know that I am seeing things from a skewed point of view and, perhaps, I am even wallowing in it a bit. I think it's just part of the on-going cycle of self pity-guilt-blame-self pity-guilt-blame that goes round in my head constantly. I also know that those destructive thoughts are banished when MNetters pile in with their wonderful mix of support, love, advice, analysis and arse kicking; the latter gentle for me and to the tonsils and beyond for him.

Anyway, thank you to anybody who has got this far and managed to stay sober till the last full-stop. Wish I could say the same Smile. I'm just getting very jittery because DH is picking DD2 up for lunch. I'm making myself scarce in case he comes in and am also starting to do my usual paranoid thing of imagining DCs deciding that they want to be with dad.

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tartanbuggy · 27/02/2016 08:06

And she's back!

Pisco - thanks for your lovely post. It's a real ego boost! I'm afraid I might be a bit of a keyboard comedian, but am actually a boring fart in real life. Discussing the state of my skirting boards and how to pan fry chicken breast ... but, no, wait; that can't possibly be! I forgot. I was a complete slattern who had no respect for things that other people had worked their bollocks off to provide and they didn't even get a dinner made for them. Wink

No problem notonyurjelly. I look forward to hearing from you later; there's no rush and it's nice to have something to look forward to.

I find that a very comforting thought AcrossthePond. I know that had mum and dad still been around, and before the Alzheimer's kicked in, that they would have been so supportive and non judgemental of me. I find their loss so difficult at this time and can't even think about them without crying.

It's nice to have the perspective of somebody your age allofyou. I think it's so hard for young adults to deal with parents splitting up and, in many ways, maybe even more difficult than for younger children who don't really understand the implications and fear for the future. I hope my DC feel supportive of me, but I am so afraid of putting on them.

Thank you all.

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BestIsWest · 27/02/2016 11:03

Well, I have read through your posts this morning and though I have no advice to offer you, I can say one thing for certain, you are most certainly NOT boring, worthless, or old (I am also 53). And I agree, your husband is a fool. You write brilliantly, you're eloquent and funny ans smart and you will get through this.

Undertone · 27/02/2016 12:58

Also read the whole thread this morning. You are fabulous and your DC are lucky to have you.

Have you been having ongoing discussions with your solicitor? Can they do the heavy lifting from now on in terms of evaluation of assets? The sooner your future is clear the one less source of dread you will have. I also agree with other posters who mention spousal maintenance.

If you're an organised type do you have a spreadsheet or wall chart with all these bits and bobs so you can capture them for following up later? I find if a little detail is on My Big List then I can stop worrying about it so much - I know I won't forget it.

Fluffinator · 27/02/2016 18:07

Dear Tartan Buggy- I have read your whole thread and my heart goes out to you.
You are dealing with the huge shock of your H's betrayal yet not being allowed to really come to terms with this. Worrying about your children, their reactions and now your DDs emotional state are taking priority. All very understandable yet you need to be a little selfish here in order to move on. You need to off-load some of your own anger out of earshot of your children. Can you areange to meet with a friend out of the house; local coffee shop / dog walk for just an hour a day to talk? A regular telephone counselling session might be good for you which you could hald in private from your car? Just in the short term to help you to stand upright.
These are just a few thoughts to help you find the strength you need x

Theoscargoesto · 27/02/2016 18:14

Hi Tartan. Like PPs I think you are amazing. The ability to cope when things are really tough and retain a sense of humour is a wonderful thing,and you have that. I am glad this thread helps. I hope it helps too to know there are lots of us out here rooting for you. I see you are investigating counselling: I started counselling just before my h left, because I knew things weren't right. I didn't know what I wanted, and thought counselling might help me work that out. In the end, mine did what yours did, in much the same way, and the lack of an honourable ending after 30+ years was and is difficult. But I look at those around me, and I know that I am further forward after less than 18 months than some, and I credit the counselling with that. I have some brilliant friends, but I also needed a safe independent place to leak, if that makes sense? Take care.

louisatwo · 27/02/2016 19:35

Dear Tartan, Your insight as a parent shines through. I totally understand your dilemma about how to best support your children through this - I don't think that there a 'right' answer. But your ability to identify and hold their needs at the centre of all this is I am sure the key. That's what awesome parents do - despite their grief they hold their children at the centre.
Wishing you strength and resilience. x

AcrossthePond55 · 27/02/2016 20:22

Consider starting a 'stream of consciousness' journal. When I was going through a bad patch when I'd wake in the night I'd write my thoughts down so I wouldn't 'lose them' and then tell myself that I'd pick up the journal in the morning and 'think about' what I'd written. It sounds crazy but it actually helped me get back to sleep because I knew I'd be able to 'remember' what had upset me during the night and I could be angry or sad about it in the morning. Silly, but it worked.

Also, I went into counseling and I'd take my journal with me to go over what I'd written down and get the help I needed 'digesting' whatever it was.

Once I'd 'recovered', once I'd moved on in my life I burnt every one of those journals in a symbolic fire and watched them turn into ashes.

pollyr01 · 28/02/2016 07:17

Did you get a solicitor tartan? My heart goes out to you. All I can offer is my husband - not in that way, but he is a shit hot divorce lawyer and generally acts for the wives of rich men doing the dirty....just a thought. Didn't want to read and run. Xxxx

tartanbuggy · 29/02/2016 07:23

Hello everybody

Sorry I've not posted for a couple of days; things have been difficult and I've hit quite a low point. It's that awful frantic feeling of panic and I just can't sit down to anything for a moment. Things get started and not finished.

Do these bastard DHs and their OWs have any idea, any idea at all of the utter misery they cause? The destruction of another person? I visited a colleague yesterday who is four years down the line from what happened to her (very similar to my story apart from age of OW) and she is still struggling. We cried together.

I so, so want revenge and come uppance for both of them. I want their relationship to implode and for them to go through even half of what I'm feeling. I am so desperate for this to happen that I'm willing it on and constantly seeking out people to tell me that it's doomed; they won't last; it will all end in tears. But deep down I'm so afraid that it'll be their happy ever after and they'll get married and DCs will go along to the celebrations.

Will post later. Am already getting late for getting ready for work and the bins still have to go out. Just wanted to let you all know I'm still here and will be back later.

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AgathaF · 29/02/2016 13:25

Keep posting Tartan. Offload all the horrible thoughts going around you head on here - there'll almost always be someone around to chat back, or even if there isn't, it might help to just get it down on paper, so to speak.

You're being hard on yourself, but that's understandable given the huge blow you've had. You're doing well though, getting through day after day, supporting your children, speaking to your friends. Really, you should feel very proud of your ability to cope, even though I know you don't feel inside that you are.

I noticed to say that I'm making myself scarce in case he comes in when he picks up your DD. You know, I don't think it would be unreasonable for you to request that he doesn't enter your home without your express invitation. He made the decision to check out. You need your sanctuary to lick your wounds, without worrying that he might be popping in just when he feels like it. If you think the same, please only tell him this via email, and don't let him drag you into a discussion about it.

springydaffs · 29/02/2016 16:03

So sorry you are going through this hideous time Flowers

It will pass. It always does - thus speaks one who has had many hideous times. Day at a time darling - Or sometimes 5/10 minutes, an hour at a time.. Plod through, don't look up. Plan your day, down to the minutiae (you say you're organised!) Things rarely pan out in the way we fear. You have enough to go on with without worrying eg whether the kids will prefer him. Yy I know those thoughts are symptoms of your shock, loss, betrayal, fear, insecurity but do kick out those thoughts that put a ten tonne weight on your back. Travel as light as possible to get you through.

You know you will get a good settlement. Re the house: I have the house until my youngest dc finishes his first degree.

Re dd - ADs address sleep problems, slowly but surely. This is half the battle ime. I'm so glad to hear you have excellent support from your local MH team.

When I was going through PND (actually, Bad Marriage Depression, but I didn't know that at the time) I called a 24/7 helpline. Immediate relief. How wonderful it would be for people in your position to have a 24/7 helpline for what you're facing! But perhaps you do: plenty of MNers across the pond /world who take over at night.

The nuttiness, though frightening at the time, is par for the course after a brutal loss. You can let it out on here. Plenty have been where you are now.

Hold on darling. This too shall pass Flowers Flowers

wordassociationfootball · 29/02/2016 17:25

Cake[tea]

Across the pond's idea of a journal is very good, I think.

And to your Buzz Shityear of an H, an arsekick from me 'To the tonsils and beyond!'

tartanbuggy · 02/03/2016 06:48

Good morning everybody!

Thank you BestIsWest - what lovely things you have said. I seem to need so much ego boosting at the moment; I can't believe how much this is impacting on my self esteem.

I have started making investigations in that area Undertone and Polly. Thank you. I think that mediation will probably be the way to go initially, because I don't think anything else can be sorted out really before that. I'm very scared at the prospect because I don't know what to expect and what I will end up doing. I'm pretty sure DH will start to push for a house sale at some stage and if he stops paying bills and mortgage then I don't earn enough even to cover the mortgage let alone all the bills and upkeep for all of us. I suppose once the process starts it will become clearer but it's an area I have never given a second thought to and have no idea about. At least with mediation, you don't have to see the other person at first and then if there is a joint session there will be the mediator present. Even then, I'm terrified that I will start to cry or behave like the irrational hysterical bitter woman DH is convinced that I am.

I've read your comments Fluffinator, Theoscargoesto and AcrossthePond and especially where you talk about your experiences of counselling. That is really helpful and I have spoken to work who confirm that counselling is included as part of the staff sickness insurance cover. I have been sent the details of a counsellor to contact and I am just waiting to make an appointment. My friend that I mentioned earlier also saw a good local counsellor and said it helped immeasurably. Friends have been wonderfully supportive, but as Theo said, an independent place to leak is also required. I think, as well, that I need to have validation as a person and a professional may be able to help me explore the negative and overwhelming feelings I am having.

Am going to do a series of posts because I keep losing the ability to scroll upwards - another thing that's that bastard's fault! - to see the posts above.

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1DAD2KIDS · 02/03/2016 07:21

Hang in there. I like many have been through simular. My wife left me and our young children for a man 14 years older. So many emotions
Loss
Betrayal
Sadness
Abandonment
Anger
Worry for the future
Loneliness

I am a year on an those raw emotions still make life hard. But just hang in there. I can asure you although it's still hard things feel better than a year ago. I am sure as the years go on I will feel better and less pain every year. You will get to a better place.

tartanbuggy · 02/03/2016 07:27

Thank you Louisatwo! It's hard to know how to support the children. DS is very anti DH at the moment and I find, to my shame, that I actually like hearing what he has to say. Then I feel bad. DD2 has just told me she is seeing DH tonight and he is picking her up. Different emotions again and I'm finding it hard to separate out her need to maintain a relationship with her dad and my need for her to "stay" with me. I'm desperate to know where they go and what they talk about and I'm equally desperate not to know anything about it. I'm guessing counselling might help me work through this. I've seen what you said AgathaF about DH coming into the house and I have requested by email that he doesn't make contact. He has texted a couple of times to say when he is coming by (to pick up something from the shed) and I have made myself scarce because even the thought of him being in close geographical proximity sends me into a tailspin. DD2 knows that I don't want face to face contact with him at the moment, so she waits at the door for him and texts me when they are on their way home. I really don't want to go out tonight, so I hope he doesn't text to ask about signing documents or discussing finance or anything. If he does, I will just repeat what I said in a previous email that I do not at this stage wish to have face to face contact. Hope it doesn't come to that. Bugger - I'm starting to feel all anxious already.

Some great advice and support, thanks, Springydaffs and it helps to hear from others who have been through this. I do indeed like the idea of a journal. I had often in the past thought about starting a diary or journal to log all the times DH had made me feel bad or had "gone off on one" or had made me feel that I was bad and unreasonable, just to prove to myself that I wasn't imagining it. In fact, I think I may even have started once or twice but stopped - probably scared that he would find it! I wish now that I had persevered because I think it would have been useful for me now to look back and realise that, actually, it wasn't all down to me and that most of the time I was reacting to what he was saying/doing or what I thought he might say/do. I can remember how I felt and also so many little instances, but it would have been so much more empowering to have had it all documented. I guess it speaks volumes that that's how I felt in the past.

I also used to wish I could rig up some sort of video camera thing to record him when he came in from work so that he could see for himself how he presented and how it came over. I really don't think he believes what he was like and has convinced himself that it was just me over-reacting and making him out to be an ogre when he was actually a nice man. Of course, I never did rig anything up. I didn't know how and would have had to have asked him for help - probably wouldn't have gone down too well!

Oh and wordassociation, if you want to administer that arsekick, I can give you the satnav co-ordinates and a pair of steel toecap boots Grin

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tartanbuggy · 02/03/2016 07:34

Thank you 1dad; it's horrible isn't it? Good to know you are managing to come through it, albeit slowly.

A plea to all MNetters with a spare vial of vitriol! I know that nobody knows how the future will pan out and what will happen, but at the moment I need to be able to fantasise that the DH/OW relationship will founder. Please humour me on this and give me all the reasons you can think of that it will backfire on them both. I know it's childish and spiteful, but sometimes it just needs to be done Smile - cheaper than booze!

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AgathaF · 02/03/2016 07:45

Well, whether it does or doesn't fall apart, take comfort from knowing that it's a relationship built on lies and deceit, with her the trophy girlfriend. Their age difference makes anything long term unlikely to pan out. No basis for a solid relationship really. Not to mention what other people with (secretly or otherwise) think of their cliche relationship.

The thing is though, that your life will move on, will improve, and you will be happy. And then you will care far, far less what happens to them.

1DAD2KIDS · 02/03/2016 12:05

I think from what you describe their relationship will probably fail. As I suspect my ex's will too. And of course that will at least give a sense of justice. But personally I get very little solace from that. I hate the thought that she has hurt everyone so much for what may end up as nothing.

1DAD2KIDS · 02/03/2016 12:08

And do protect yourself legally and financially. He may be good with the house and money now but what if she really gets her hooks into him. She Wat want some more of those resources coming her way.

Foginthehills · 02/03/2016 15:50

give me all the reasons you can think of that it will backfire on them both

He's 54 and she's 28, young enough to be his daughter. Eeeeeeeuuw

Men like that are inadequate: he couldn't cope with an adult woman his equal in life experience.

Which was the female comic who said that men should pay an extra % of tax for every year age difference between them and their 2nd wives?

PiscoSour66 · 02/03/2016 16:09

Yes, it is childish, but here goes -
It's very likely there's only about ten years difference between him and her parents. They could sit there and reminisce about their record collections and the tunes they used to dance to. Meanwhile, she'll be sitting there rolling her eyes about the old gimmers talking and not having a clue of what they're on about. And let's not even get started about him dancing in front of her friends. It will be like a teenager covering their eyes when their parents start dancing at a party. The shame.....

tartanbuggy · 03/03/2016 06:48

Haha, that was cathartic. Thank you folks Smile

I also know it was rather spiteful of me and really I should be arising above it all. But, I am struggling so much at the moment. It's getting worse and I feel so completely adrift. It's as if my past has been taken away all of a sudden and now my future is fading as well. It's such a horrible, dark feeling and everything seems to be almost closing in on me. I guess the hurt goes so deep and I feel powerless in the whole situation that all I can resort to is ineffectual insults and hissing. I don't know how to keep going and don't even know if I can. I am so, so scared and don't know what to do. I go one day at a time and can't think further ahead because I am so afraid of what I see. I'm scared of what I'm going to have to go through and sort out at a time when I just want to lie in bed and not think about anything.

It was worse last night because DH took DD2 out and it sends me quite frantic with fear. DD2 is getting a bit stressed with me because I follow her round like a lost dog and although she has told DH she has no intention of meeting OW whatsoever, I am petrified that eventually that scenario will come to pass and that they will all like each other. I think DH's dream is that he, OW and DCs will all get on really well and have happy times together whilst I, the author of all the misfortune, will sit at home alone and unloved. DH's dream is my nightmare. So many people have told me, over and over, that this will not happen but I'm not rational or confident enough at the moment to believe it. I guess that's why I'm desperately seeking some sort of belief that DH and OW will not last ... I feel as if I've lost so much that the thought of losing my kids, even if only briefly, is just too much to bear.

Sorry, I'm afraid I'm not in a good place this morning. I had so many bad dreams about things ranging from DD2 telling me that she felt closer to OW than me, to the internet provider pulling the plug and me not knowing what to do about it. I woke up crying Sad I am so sad. I can't bear this.

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PiscoSour66 · 03/03/2016 07:49

Hello tartan. Just for the time being try not to think about the future. Try to concentrate on now, yourself and your children. At the moment it all seems a terrible insurmountable mess and you don't know which way to turn. It's a huge shock. It will pass, I promise you. And slowly, slowly you will be able to deal with things better. Let solicitors deal with the nitty gritty. You do not have to make any decisions just yet. Remember, you are not the cause of this. You do not deserve this. X

AgathaF · 03/03/2016 08:15

Your children will always love you, will always be loyal to you, because you are their mum. That bond you have with them cannot be replaced by OW in the space of a few days, weeks or months. They may, in time, grow to tolerate her, even to like her, but you are their mum and they will always know and be comforted by that.

Take everything a day at a time. By looking ahead you are seeing problems in multiple and so of course they seem mountainous. In reality though, potential problems will be dealt with one at a time, with support around you, and you will grow stronger by dealing with them.

Never forget what a strong woman you are. He has walked away, thinking only of himself. You, on the other hand, are the one holding it all together - your home, your family, yourself, work. That takes some doing, but you are doing it.