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22 wks pregnant - to stay with controlling OH in London or leave and raise baby alone in Scotland with family?

416 replies

msatlantis · 25/01/2016 18:03

This is my first post (and a very long one), but I would really welcome some impartial views and advice, thank you in advance.

I have been with my OH for one year. We got introduced by mutual friends (one of my best friends "E", who is also married to one of his friends).

At the time we met, I had just gone through a divorce (no children) and had decided to leave my (good) job in London to return 'home' to my family in Scotland. I bought a flat in Scotland and spent my savings on renovating it.

So, I left for Scotland, but we ended up being in touch constantly, visited each other most weekends and after 3 months working and living in Scotland I decided to make the move back down south to be with him. We were crazy about each other.
At the time, I wanted us to 'date' for another few months before re-locating (again) but he didn't see the point in waiting and was quite distressed when I suggested this. He has a high-pressure, high-profile job which requires him to be in London. I returned to London on 1 July.

I was lucky enough to for my employer to offer me my previous job back. But I had no savings and depended on my OH for accommodation.

Then, it was as though the honey-moon period ended. I never seemed to be able to do anything right. This ranged from being accused of not giving his feelings due consideration to deliberately postponing the process of applying for my decree absolute from my former husband (the delay was due to the court process). I didn't "get" his job, didn't give him adequate "support" and didn't compliment him enough! He is tea-total, and if we were out for a meal at the weekend, he would get annoyed if I had more than one small glass of wine and feel the need to start a discussion about the 'dangers' of alcohol.

During the summer, my friend "E" sent me an email in which she said that she had met up with "J" (another man who she had introduced me to at the beginning of the year) and that he "said hello". My OH saw this email and took absolute offence to it, claiming that "E" was still trying to initiate a relationship between me and "J" despite us being a serious relationship. I spoke to "E", and this was not her intention, she was simply passing on a friendly message, but my OH was, and is still, fuming. He then accused "E" of being racist toward one of his friends, and of being manipulative toward both me and her husband. I have known "E" for 15 years and she is one of the sweetest girls I can think of and a true family friend. My OH then said he wanted me to stop email contact with "E", to limit text messages, and not to see her in the evenings. I felt quite vulnerable as I had moved back to London with no money and didn't have anywhere to go even if I wanted. I agreed, though continued to see "E" for lunches.

In August my OH and I were in Edinburgh for the weekend. We ended up having a big row where he accused me of "keeping things from him". He was paranoid about who I had been dating round-about the time he and I got together, and whether I was still in contact with any of these men (I wasn't). He said he had had enough and spat in my face. I was shaking and shocked, but chose not to do anything about it (now, I wish I had probably walked away at this point). The next day we had another row (think shouting/swearing), at which point I telephoned my Mum and sister to come round to the flat as I was shaking like a leaf. We ended up deciding to try and work things out and returned to London together.

Things did not improve much in late August, early September. His hatred toward "E" had become worse, I felt as though I could do no right, and one night he threw all of my clothes out of the wardrobe and all of my jewelery on the floor and told me to go (this was at 11pm at night). I told him I would leave the next morning. The next morning, he said he wanted to try and work things out. Again, for some reason, I agreed.

However mid-September I had had enough. I stayed with a work colleague one night after work and sent my OH an email saying I wasn't sure if things were going to work out and I needed some time out to figure out what was best for us. I returned to our flat the next day to find absolutely no trace of my belongings whatsoever. I couldn't get a hold of him, and it was only when I left a voicemail threatening to call the police, that his mother called me and told me all of my belongings had been packed up and were in her garage.

My Mum flew down the next day, and came with me to pick up some of my things (what we could carry as we didn't have a car). I stayed with my work colleague for a few nights and in my mind the relationship was over. My OH then started texting me saying he wanted us to talk, sent me flowers at work, and said that he still loved me. We met up and ended up talking, he convinced me to give the relationship another go. I then went to Scotland on my own for a few days, during which I didn't quite feel like myself. I discovered I was pregnant. I decided to delay telling him until I had figured out what I wanted to do.

When I returned to London, things were unusually calm between us and after about a fortnight, I told him I thought I was pregnant. He was really positive about the pregnancy and for a few weeks after that he was really sweet and attentive.

We went up to Scotland for my birthday in October. I went up two days earlier than him. On my birthday evening, I found messages on his phone which suggested he had taken another woman to dinner while I had been on my own in Scotland. He said it was a "group dinner", but I am still not sure I believe him.

And over the past month or so, his behavior has been unpredictable and moody. At Christmas, he only agreed to us going up to Scotland to see my family for 3 days (we had a fortnight off) so that he could "rest properly". I miss my family SO much (we are very close) and I am told then when the baby arrives our trips to Scotland might only be once a year as we must put the baby first and it is unfair to travel with a little one. We never do anything fun because he's always tired. We discuss things only when he wants to discuss them. He couldn't make the baby's 20 week scan "due to work" at the beginning of January which I was really upset about. I then got accused of "guilt-tripping" him. A fortnight ago a huge shouting match (only he was shouting) ensued about money/looking at new houses. My OH acted like a petulant child toward me and his mother. I was left crying and shaking.

Last weekend, he completely took me by surprise by proposing. I didn't say "yes" immediately, which caused major offence - as I wanted to talk about it and I was still feeling shaken from the shouting match the previous weekend. He is adamant we get married before the baby's arrival in May even though I wanted to wait until the end of the year when I would feel more comfortable. Anyway, both my OH and his Mum put pressure on me to agree to a wedding in April.

On Friday, we ended up having a conversation about "E" - he said she is not permitted to be in our house at any time or see the baby once it is born, and that I am not allowed to send any photos of the baby to her. I said he was being disproportionate and I was told that he did "a lot" for me, that I should "be grateful" but that he had to "put his foot down" in respect of this. Given that "E" has recently moved to Manchester I am left feeling as though I am never going to be able to see her again. Is OH's controlling behavior only going to get worse?

Since our conversation about "E" he has been sullen.

I confided in my Mum this weekend and she is concerned. She said if it all felt too much I should just make arrangements to come back to Scotland and have the baby there. That my family would support me. I feel coerced by him... every time I think about leaving I seem to get drawn back into the fold. I don't know what to do now. There is no one in my family who is a single parent, and I am terrified. If we get married and I stay will I be able to take my baby to Scotland if things get worse? I know that if a friend of mine told me the above had happened to her, I would tell her she should have got rid of her OH a long time ago, but being in love and being vulnerable skews everything.

I don't know what to do. I thought about just not pandering to him over the next week or so (I usually try and keep the peace) and seeing if everything just unravels.

OP posts:
CalleighDoodle · 28/01/2016 23:26

Im so pleased youre safe. Please dont phone him. And absolutely block him on all social
Media and your phone. His mother too.

Bogeyface · 29/01/2016 02:40

May I add that it may be wise to contact the local police, explaining that you are there to escape an abusive man and you are concerned he may follow you.

It wont make any difference to you, but if it has been recorded and he turns up then you should get a faster response.

So glad to hear that you have got away. Take all the good advice about avoiding him (I too wouldnt bother contacting him) and I look forward to your birth announcement :)

Bogeyface · 29/01/2016 02:40

I mean that it wont make any difference to your day to day life, but if he turns up....

Ohfourfoxache · 29/01/2016 03:11

Well done, that's excellent news!

I would suggest looking very carefully at Goddess' advice ^ about moving abroad. The last thing you need is for him to ever find you Sad

mix56 · 29/01/2016 08:08

Without being a scaremonger: He will know OP has gone back to her family unless pointed elsewhere. He knows where they live. It will be easy to show up & harass OPs Mum, or just park nearby & survey. I suggest she goes & stays with an aunt or somewhere he doesn't know in the immediate future.
Best to be prudent

mix56 · 29/01/2016 08:09

even if OP rang from her Mum's number he can trace it.....

Atenco · 29/01/2016 12:11

"If you can manage without maintainence comfortably, it might be an option to completely cut ties, that he won't bother if you don't put him in the certificate/say you're unsure about parentage. He might keep trying with contact if paying"

Yeap, that is what I was thinking.

Mustgetmynailsdone · 29/01/2016 19:30

Op,

I read this with sadness

It seems you are in a very similar situation to where I was 9 years ago

I lived abroad
Had a long distance relationship
Thought he was the one
Everything was hearts and flowers til I moved to London into his home to be with him
Living with him the signs of control and abuse became obvious.... there was always a drama and he could be incredibly controlling and nasty .

It escalated ... I wanted to leave
Then Found out I was pregnant
I stayed with him
I wanted my child to have a father .

Fast forward and I found myself trapped inside a marriage that had gone from EA to domestic violence . As I understand it pregnancy is often the trigger . Living my life covering up bruises to keep up appearances .
I was financially dependent on him . And boy did he control the money . Emotionally blackmailed me about my " secret past " etc etc .

I did get out in the end .
It was terribly hard to do so .. The stress of the divorce sometimes seemed harder than the bad relationship

If I oh but had a time machine ! I would have saved so much heartache and pain not just for me but my child and family . He still hates me to this day for leaving him and " stealing his money " and is still nasty often . Pretty crap dad too .

Please please my darling please walk away .

My instincts tell me it will get worse for you if you do not leave

Now

ASAP

Go to scotland
Be with people who will love you
Don't tell him what you are planning
Pack when he is out
Have a freind come by to help you

My love to you and your baby .. You will make a mega mummy I feel x

Mustgetmynailsdone · 29/01/2016 19:35

Op
Sorry
I just read updates properly
So glad to hear
Please do not go back
Sending even more love now x

Barmaid101 · 31/01/2016 23:54

Hope your staying strong op! Do whatever you need to do to stay safe!

Granville72 · 01/02/2016 19:34

OP, have you managed to leave yet? I cant see anywhere that it says you have but that you have discussed with your Mum about moving back to Scotland.

Please go. Do not stay with this man and let him abuse your child like he does you.

I'm a single mum, no immediate family or friends to help me and I manage. You have family that want you to come home and that will support you and your baby.

I don't have that, but I do have the most wonderful son that is happy and not stuck between to parents where one of them abuses the other.

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 01/02/2016 19:40

I hope I'm not speaking out of turn answering for OP, but she has indeed left. She updated the other day

movpov · 02/02/2016 21:56

Well done OP, you have shown great strength and done absolutely the right thing for you and baby. I agree with all the other posts to not tell him where you are and do not under any circumstances ever go back to him. As long as you are not married and do not put his name on the birth certificate he will have no legal rights over the child. Being a single mum won't be a walk in the park, but believe me it will be a doddle compared to a life with this guy. Good luck with your new life & baby x

OhShutUpThomas · 02/02/2016 22:06

Hope you're ok OP Flowers

OhShutUpThomas · 02/02/2016 22:07

ilivein I don't see any update saying she's left? Where was it?

FinestGrundyTurkey · 02/02/2016 22:58

msatlantis 28/01/2016 17:16

Dear all,
I just wanted to update you. I am safe.
My family have been fantastic.
Having a telephone call tomorrow (with my Mum present) to discuss my move.
Feeling apprehensive about being a single Mum from the outset and starting over, but also feeling lighter and looking forward to being able to lead my own life, have fun and spend time with my family and friends.
A massive THANK YOU for all of your support and messages! x

Monty27 · 05/02/2016 00:44

Great news.

msatlantis · 06/02/2016 08:04

An update...

I am still in Scotland. Had a difficult conversation with OH on the telephone a few days ago.

He doesn't understand why I have left. He says he thought that we were 'happy, on the whole' and that I'm acting irrationally. I ran through with him most of the incidents that I referred to in my original post - he says he 'disagrees with the reality' of some of what I said and that there is 'no point in dwelling on the past'.
I said that unfortunately given everything that has happened I don't feel comfortable in our relationship, nor do I feel happy, and as though I am walking on eggshells.

He told me that he has noticed I have (apparently) become more worried about impending motherhood over the past few weeks, and that HE is NOT the problem in all of this, but it is MY anxiety over becoming a mum.

After the phone call he sent me an email saying that he was very sad that I had taken the decision to end our relationship and that he is also very sad that by doing this the baby may grow up not knowing its father. This makes me feel guilty. Although my OH has been awful, I would not prevent him or his parents from seeing the baby.
He also said he was upset that I would not consider couples counselling, for the sake of the baby.

I am putting my happiness and (I think) the future happiness of the baby first by choosing to leave. However I feel guilty that my OH will miss out on seeing his son or daughter as a baby. I also feel guilty that my OH's parents will hardly see the baby.
The baby won't grow up wanting for anything, but had I stayed with my OH we would have had a huge house, beautiful area, fantastic schools on doorstep etc. I just feel guilty.

OP posts:
PuellaEstCornelia · 06/02/2016 08:16

I know it's really easy for me to say you shouldn't feel guilty, but you really, really shouldn't! He's guilt tripping you, pulling all the strings that have worked up until now. You know he is an abusive arse. Children don't care about houses and things, they care about being loved and secure, and he will undermine of that if he can. I know it's hard, but you have done so well to get away, and its hard to shake off his controlling shackles, but you are worth so much more than him and he is no loss to you or your baby.

OpheliasWeepingWillow · 06/02/2016 08:18

Wow he's still at it! Stop contacting him! Put aside your guilt, have a cup of tea and reflect why you keep on being drawn back into his web of deceit and abuse. You've left. Delete his details. Block him and move on. No father is better than having this one.

SometimesItRains · 06/02/2016 08:21

Don't waver, you moved for the right reasons. Don't let him make you feel guilty for prioritising your baby. Plenty of pp have said how it is likely to pan out if you had stayed with him. You have made the right decision and he is just trying to guilt you into changing your mind so that he can still control you. Spend some time with your family and block all contact with him for now until you feel strong enough to be secure in your choice to move away from him. Well done for everything so far.

P1nkP0ppy · 06/02/2016 08:22

He's piling on the emotional blackmail because he's feeling sorry for himself, not because he's concerned about you.

He's trying to dump all the blame on you because he's a manipulative abuser, don't fall for it.

You've made absolutely the right decision for you and the baby.

wonkylampshade · 06/02/2016 08:33

Hi op, you've done the best thing for your baby by leaving this man. He sounds like my dd1's dad, who was appallingly controlling in respect of my relationships with close friends and family. He was also a bully towards me, and used to accuse me frequently of not giving him enough support, so your op really struck a chord.

We are both in Scotland and he doesn't have a relationship with her at all. Hasn't seen her for almost two years now, and he's only 30miles away. I don't push him as I genuinely feel he would constitute an emotional "danger" to her if she had to see him regularly. He's blown hot and cold at her throughout her childhood so I know she'd have been subjected to the same confusing, controlling behaviour if we'd stayed.

She's growing up a happy, confident little girl and although it was tough at times being a lp (I managed to get out of the relationship when she was under one), it was a hell of a lot easier than parenting with a malevolent force working away against me. My family were wonderful and are all very involved in her life.

It sounds like you have a good family around you and the physical distance is a positive thing. You might want to consider whether or not you put him on the birth certificate as he automatically gets parental rights of he's named on there - this is one thing I have regretted at points but luckily it hasn't caused too many problems as he is genuinely not that interested in anyone but himself.

Good luck OP! Thanks

PhoenixReisling · 06/02/2016 08:35

this is his doing, so you have nothing to feel guilty about

He is still trying to control you and will use the whole woo is me and my family will never see the child.

Stop contacting him by telephone and get another email address, that way he if when he emails you again, you will choose if or when you read it. Focus your energy into your new life....which will be both free and happy!

wonkylampshade · 06/02/2016 08:37

I should add that when I was getting away from him, he also went to great lengths expressing "concern" for me, telling me and other people I wasn't coping, had pnd etc. It's a strategy to undermine your self belief, and to try and recruit others into telling you you're being irrational, and not thinking straight. DON'T LISTEN TO HIM - you're in a vulnerable position when you're pregnant and as a new mum. Tell your family what he's saying, and let them look after you and protect you from his manipulation.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I genuinely wish I had opened up to people about the kind of things that were being said to me, as it would have thrown it all into perspective a bit sooner I think.