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22 wks pregnant - to stay with controlling OH in London or leave and raise baby alone in Scotland with family?

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msatlantis · 25/01/2016 18:03

This is my first post (and a very long one), but I would really welcome some impartial views and advice, thank you in advance.

I have been with my OH for one year. We got introduced by mutual friends (one of my best friends "E", who is also married to one of his friends).

At the time we met, I had just gone through a divorce (no children) and had decided to leave my (good) job in London to return 'home' to my family in Scotland. I bought a flat in Scotland and spent my savings on renovating it.

So, I left for Scotland, but we ended up being in touch constantly, visited each other most weekends and after 3 months working and living in Scotland I decided to make the move back down south to be with him. We were crazy about each other.
At the time, I wanted us to 'date' for another few months before re-locating (again) but he didn't see the point in waiting and was quite distressed when I suggested this. He has a high-pressure, high-profile job which requires him to be in London. I returned to London on 1 July.

I was lucky enough to for my employer to offer me my previous job back. But I had no savings and depended on my OH for accommodation.

Then, it was as though the honey-moon period ended. I never seemed to be able to do anything right. This ranged from being accused of not giving his feelings due consideration to deliberately postponing the process of applying for my decree absolute from my former husband (the delay was due to the court process). I didn't "get" his job, didn't give him adequate "support" and didn't compliment him enough! He is tea-total, and if we were out for a meal at the weekend, he would get annoyed if I had more than one small glass of wine and feel the need to start a discussion about the 'dangers' of alcohol.

During the summer, my friend "E" sent me an email in which she said that she had met up with "J" (another man who she had introduced me to at the beginning of the year) and that he "said hello". My OH saw this email and took absolute offence to it, claiming that "E" was still trying to initiate a relationship between me and "J" despite us being a serious relationship. I spoke to "E", and this was not her intention, she was simply passing on a friendly message, but my OH was, and is still, fuming. He then accused "E" of being racist toward one of his friends, and of being manipulative toward both me and her husband. I have known "E" for 15 years and she is one of the sweetest girls I can think of and a true family friend. My OH then said he wanted me to stop email contact with "E", to limit text messages, and not to see her in the evenings. I felt quite vulnerable as I had moved back to London with no money and didn't have anywhere to go even if I wanted. I agreed, though continued to see "E" for lunches.

In August my OH and I were in Edinburgh for the weekend. We ended up having a big row where he accused me of "keeping things from him". He was paranoid about who I had been dating round-about the time he and I got together, and whether I was still in contact with any of these men (I wasn't). He said he had had enough and spat in my face. I was shaking and shocked, but chose not to do anything about it (now, I wish I had probably walked away at this point). The next day we had another row (think shouting/swearing), at which point I telephoned my Mum and sister to come round to the flat as I was shaking like a leaf. We ended up deciding to try and work things out and returned to London together.

Things did not improve much in late August, early September. His hatred toward "E" had become worse, I felt as though I could do no right, and one night he threw all of my clothes out of the wardrobe and all of my jewelery on the floor and told me to go (this was at 11pm at night). I told him I would leave the next morning. The next morning, he said he wanted to try and work things out. Again, for some reason, I agreed.

However mid-September I had had enough. I stayed with a work colleague one night after work and sent my OH an email saying I wasn't sure if things were going to work out and I needed some time out to figure out what was best for us. I returned to our flat the next day to find absolutely no trace of my belongings whatsoever. I couldn't get a hold of him, and it was only when I left a voicemail threatening to call the police, that his mother called me and told me all of my belongings had been packed up and were in her garage.

My Mum flew down the next day, and came with me to pick up some of my things (what we could carry as we didn't have a car). I stayed with my work colleague for a few nights and in my mind the relationship was over. My OH then started texting me saying he wanted us to talk, sent me flowers at work, and said that he still loved me. We met up and ended up talking, he convinced me to give the relationship another go. I then went to Scotland on my own for a few days, during which I didn't quite feel like myself. I discovered I was pregnant. I decided to delay telling him until I had figured out what I wanted to do.

When I returned to London, things were unusually calm between us and after about a fortnight, I told him I thought I was pregnant. He was really positive about the pregnancy and for a few weeks after that he was really sweet and attentive.

We went up to Scotland for my birthday in October. I went up two days earlier than him. On my birthday evening, I found messages on his phone which suggested he had taken another woman to dinner while I had been on my own in Scotland. He said it was a "group dinner", but I am still not sure I believe him.

And over the past month or so, his behavior has been unpredictable and moody. At Christmas, he only agreed to us going up to Scotland to see my family for 3 days (we had a fortnight off) so that he could "rest properly". I miss my family SO much (we are very close) and I am told then when the baby arrives our trips to Scotland might only be once a year as we must put the baby first and it is unfair to travel with a little one. We never do anything fun because he's always tired. We discuss things only when he wants to discuss them. He couldn't make the baby's 20 week scan "due to work" at the beginning of January which I was really upset about. I then got accused of "guilt-tripping" him. A fortnight ago a huge shouting match (only he was shouting) ensued about money/looking at new houses. My OH acted like a petulant child toward me and his mother. I was left crying and shaking.

Last weekend, he completely took me by surprise by proposing. I didn't say "yes" immediately, which caused major offence - as I wanted to talk about it and I was still feeling shaken from the shouting match the previous weekend. He is adamant we get married before the baby's arrival in May even though I wanted to wait until the end of the year when I would feel more comfortable. Anyway, both my OH and his Mum put pressure on me to agree to a wedding in April.

On Friday, we ended up having a conversation about "E" - he said she is not permitted to be in our house at any time or see the baby once it is born, and that I am not allowed to send any photos of the baby to her. I said he was being disproportionate and I was told that he did "a lot" for me, that I should "be grateful" but that he had to "put his foot down" in respect of this. Given that "E" has recently moved to Manchester I am left feeling as though I am never going to be able to see her again. Is OH's controlling behavior only going to get worse?

Since our conversation about "E" he has been sullen.

I confided in my Mum this weekend and she is concerned. She said if it all felt too much I should just make arrangements to come back to Scotland and have the baby there. That my family would support me. I feel coerced by him... every time I think about leaving I seem to get drawn back into the fold. I don't know what to do now. There is no one in my family who is a single parent, and I am terrified. If we get married and I stay will I be able to take my baby to Scotland if things get worse? I know that if a friend of mine told me the above had happened to her, I would tell her she should have got rid of her OH a long time ago, but being in love and being vulnerable skews everything.

I don't know what to do. I thought about just not pandering to him over the next week or so (I usually try and keep the peace) and seeing if everything just unravels.

OP posts:
OhShutUpThomas · 06/02/2016 08:39

He's gaslighting you.

He's not even apologising - he's denying and putting the blame on you.

It's good really, because it should reinforce for you that you did the right thing

Joysmum · 06/02/2016 08:50

He doesn't understand why I have left. He says he thought that we were 'happy, on the whole' and that I'm acting irrationally.

That's all the proof you need to show you that you've done the right thing.

If he'd recognised and acknowledged his actions in the past and the hurt he's caused then at least he might have said he'd tried to be a better man in future.

He hasn't though. Predictably he's blamed you!

This means that if you'd stayed you'd have continued as thing were, probably they'd have even got worse for you and your baby.

You've absolutely done the right thing and although of course you'll mourn the loss of what you'd hoped could be, you've protected your unborn child from being the centre of an abusive household. Words can't express the gift you've given your baby Flowers

SerenityReynolds · 06/02/2016 09:00

Have just read through all of this. First of all well done OP for being strong enough to to get away. After your last post, it looks like you might be wavering a bit about your decision. Please don't. He is using every trick in the book to try and get you back under his control. It is HIS actions and behaviour that mean he and his family won't get to see the child as much, not yours. He is trying to put all the blame on to you to make you doubt that he is in fact the problem.

Stay strong. No amount of nice houses, posh schools etc is worth exposing your child to a life with this man. Abusers only get worse in pregnancy and when baby arrives as they are no longer the focus of your attention. And you will be even more dependent on him, emotionally and financially. Cut contact except through your mum. Do not give him a chance to reel you back in.Flowers

hollyisalovelyname · 06/02/2016 09:01

GET OUT NOW WHILE YOU STILL HAVE A CHOICE.

tallwivglasses · 06/02/2016 09:03

OP please read your first post again. How is he blaming all this on your anxiety about the baby? He's a controlling nasty bastard. You have no obligation to talk to him. If you end up back with him you'll feel more guilty in the long run for taking your baby away from their loving extended family on Scotland and subjecting them to abuse and manipulation from this horrible man and his mother.

SauvignonPlonker · 06/02/2016 09:13

OP, please don't fall for his bullying & emotional blackmail.

This is the man who has isolated you from your closest friend, who has spat in your face, and likes to keep you vulnerable, with him in control.

Offred · 06/02/2016 09:23

but had I stayed with my OH we would have had a huge house, beautiful area, fantastic schools on doorstep etc. I just feel guilty.

Don't. If you stayed you would be a bird in a gilded cage.

Your child would grow up in the cage too.

You would not be allowed friends or family and I believe he would escalate his physical violence. Spitting in your face shows the huge amount of contempt he has for you.

As does his standard abuser's script attempt to tell you off for being irrational and blackmail over the baby. He has basically told you unless you come back he'll have nothing to do with the baby IMO.

That shows you who he is - deeply deeply controlling and totally incapable of loving, even his own child.

Iggi999 · 06/02/2016 09:34

He wants you to feel guilty.
Tbh you'd have more to feel guilty about if you stayed.

ElBandito · 06/02/2016 09:45

And if he treated your child the way he treated you...
Stay away and don't feel guilty for protecting both of you.

wonkylampshade · 06/02/2016 09:55

Lots of spot on, sensible advice here!

Towardsthesun · 06/02/2016 10:00

Don't feel guilty about leaving a man who spat in your face. Who would even think of doing that?

Prometheus · 06/02/2016 11:53

His emails sound like he is laying the long game and 'logging' his view of the relationship to use at a later date i.e. He wanted counselling but you refused, you are worried about impending motherhood (subtly suggesting you may not be fit to have custody). I would consider drafting a calm, sensible reply to log your version of events should he produce his email at a later date if you decides to fight for custody.

springydaffs · 06/02/2016 15:34

the baby may grow up not knowing its father. This makes me feel guilty.

Which was his intention.

IF he was prepared to discuss the split with you that would be one thing, but he has run to his default: blaming you.

I rather fear you are hoping he will see the error of his ways, or that he will rationally and fairly discuss things with you. He won't, he never will. All he wants, and will fight hard for, is everything on his term, under his sovereign control.

Please keep comms with him to the bare, factual minimum. Preferably written down.

FantasticButtocks · 06/02/2016 15:49

had I stayed with my OH we would have had a huge house, beautiful area, fantastic schools on doorstep etc. I just feel guilty. Fine, those things are all very nice. But you would ALSO have a controlling man dictating who you can and can't be friends with, a man who found it acceptable to spit in your face, a man who dictates how much time you spend with your own family …in short NO FUCKING LIFE AT ALL!

Where you are now, you and your children will have: FREEDOM to be the people you are, LOVE and SUPPORT from your family, a truly DECENT life, with PEACE and HARMONY. I know which I'd prefer for my children. And you do too. Which is why you have taken your courage in both hands and made this move for the SAFETY of yourself and your baby. You have done the right thing.

Of course you are going to wobble from time to time, who wouldn't? The fact you now do not want to be with him is enough. It really, really, REALLY is.

Wishing you strength Thanks

FantasticButtocks · 06/02/2016 16:03

Guilt is a horrible thing to feel, but I think you'd feel even more guilty down the line if you were to return to him and inflict this life of him abusing you on your innocent baby.

His email and the things he said were designed to make you feel guilty. Because if he can do that thoroughly enough, he can get you back under his control again. Do not allow this.

He is already implying you are not good enough as a mother because you won't do what he wants go for couples counselling for the sake of the baby. So he is already starting to try to make you do things he wants you to do, not for the baby actually, for him. You are that baby's mother and you are carrying it and you love it, and you are making decisions for its welfare, and he is trying to stop you!

He is dangerous.

skyeskyeskye · 06/02/2016 16:13

OP. Abuse often steps up another level after a child is born. You will become even more trapped there than you were. He has already told you that you can't see your friend any more.

Don't let him make you feel guilty. It is his behaviour that has caused this, not yours.

Can you access some counselling for yourself, in order to see what is really happening and toughen yourself up against any criticism from him?

The nice things in life really don't mean anything if you are trapped in a lonely aggressive relationship. Your child will do just fine.

southernskies · 06/02/2016 22:07

Well done on escaping OP.

Now stay strong. He is still trying to manipulate you.

Write a list of the reasons you left and read it if you waiver:

  • spat in your face.
  • isolated you from you friends.
  • controlling your behaviour.
Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 06/02/2016 22:16

This baby may grow up not knowing their father. This makes me feel guilty
I agree with Springy and that being his Intention to lure you back, but if you do go back. I guarantee you'll feel guilty raising your baby in a toxic environment.
Better being a happy relaxed single parent than a terrified edgy married parent, with no control over yours or your baby's life.
Please for the sake of the innocent life Inside you. Do not go back to that monster
You and your baby will be fine alone.

RainOhJoyus · 06/02/2016 23:03

Please stay strong OP. Don't refer to him as your OH, he is not he is your abusive ex. Of course he will undermine everything and okay it down. You were happy that he would never see his child, read back through your thread from the start, speak to your family and friends and let them remind you of all the reasons you were so brave for doing this. He does not deserve to see the baby or his parents. It reads as if you don't go back he won't haev any contact, which shows him for the arse he is and also is good for you with no contact.

Aspergallus · 06/02/2016 23:12

This guy sounds seriously deranged.

I shudder to think of a child witnessing or being on the receiving end of this kind of behaviour.

Don't feel guilty. You should be very proud of yourself.

And don't make the mistake of running after him, taking all responsibility of his contact. It's down to him. And quite frankly, if he simply disappeared I'd breathe a sigh of relief.

Atenco · 07/02/2016 01:03

Was there even one person who responded to your initial post suggesting that you stay and make a go of it, OP? I think not, although there usually is some nutter.

Most problems that people post here are more nuanced, but this man is absolutely bad news for you, your child and anyone else who has too much to do with him.

Monty27 · 07/02/2016 01:46

I don't think I need to say another word from what's above. Other than I'm glad you are a strong woman. and getting away from a controlling freak

Best wishes OP xx

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 07/02/2016 07:43

Feck, he still can't own what he did. What an aashole.

I suppose he thinks he's going easy on you by blaming it on your crazy-lady knocked-up hormones, so it's no wonder you're totally irrational! The misogynistic twat. This decision to escape an abusive is the most rational thing you've done, and if baby hormones made you do anything it's to get your momma tiger groove on and protect him/her from a family of abusers. Yes, I'm including his mother in this.

Besides, Twunt isn't remembering all the abusive times before you became pregnant. You actually left him before! But let's just ignore that. Let's focus on the future!!!

Actually, that's exactly what you're doing. Smile A lovely future without this evil presence in your child's life.

Stay strong, and if you haven't already, get some good legal advice.

CwtchyQ · 07/02/2016 08:01

OP if that man was the father of my child he would not be coming within a mile of my baby. Ever.

You're not depriving your baby, you are saving your baby from an awful man.

I'm sorry but you are going to be a parent. Let go any emotions you have of guilt, because it's not about you now. Imagine how you would feel if you had him for a Dad. Can you imagine?

Well done for leaving - don't look back. No more contact. It won't end well - you need to let it go.

Good luck. (This is one of the most upsetting OPs I've read)

Goodbetterbest · 07/02/2016 08:08

OP, you've done absolutely the right thing.

If you stay with him he will spit in your face in front of your child one day. He will call you a 'fucking bitch' in front of your teenage child. Your child will learn that is how relationships work, that that is how men and women behave towards each other.

Teach your child love, kindness and self-respect.

Have a lovely, lovely life. Experience has taught me that is far, far easier to be a lone parent than spend your life with a cunt of a man.