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22 wks pregnant - to stay with controlling OH in London or leave and raise baby alone in Scotland with family?

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msatlantis · 25/01/2016 18:03

This is my first post (and a very long one), but I would really welcome some impartial views and advice, thank you in advance.

I have been with my OH for one year. We got introduced by mutual friends (one of my best friends "E", who is also married to one of his friends).

At the time we met, I had just gone through a divorce (no children) and had decided to leave my (good) job in London to return 'home' to my family in Scotland. I bought a flat in Scotland and spent my savings on renovating it.

So, I left for Scotland, but we ended up being in touch constantly, visited each other most weekends and after 3 months working and living in Scotland I decided to make the move back down south to be with him. We were crazy about each other.
At the time, I wanted us to 'date' for another few months before re-locating (again) but he didn't see the point in waiting and was quite distressed when I suggested this. He has a high-pressure, high-profile job which requires him to be in London. I returned to London on 1 July.

I was lucky enough to for my employer to offer me my previous job back. But I had no savings and depended on my OH for accommodation.

Then, it was as though the honey-moon period ended. I never seemed to be able to do anything right. This ranged from being accused of not giving his feelings due consideration to deliberately postponing the process of applying for my decree absolute from my former husband (the delay was due to the court process). I didn't "get" his job, didn't give him adequate "support" and didn't compliment him enough! He is tea-total, and if we were out for a meal at the weekend, he would get annoyed if I had more than one small glass of wine and feel the need to start a discussion about the 'dangers' of alcohol.

During the summer, my friend "E" sent me an email in which she said that she had met up with "J" (another man who she had introduced me to at the beginning of the year) and that he "said hello". My OH saw this email and took absolute offence to it, claiming that "E" was still trying to initiate a relationship between me and "J" despite us being a serious relationship. I spoke to "E", and this was not her intention, she was simply passing on a friendly message, but my OH was, and is still, fuming. He then accused "E" of being racist toward one of his friends, and of being manipulative toward both me and her husband. I have known "E" for 15 years and she is one of the sweetest girls I can think of and a true family friend. My OH then said he wanted me to stop email contact with "E", to limit text messages, and not to see her in the evenings. I felt quite vulnerable as I had moved back to London with no money and didn't have anywhere to go even if I wanted. I agreed, though continued to see "E" for lunches.

In August my OH and I were in Edinburgh for the weekend. We ended up having a big row where he accused me of "keeping things from him". He was paranoid about who I had been dating round-about the time he and I got together, and whether I was still in contact with any of these men (I wasn't). He said he had had enough and spat in my face. I was shaking and shocked, but chose not to do anything about it (now, I wish I had probably walked away at this point). The next day we had another row (think shouting/swearing), at which point I telephoned my Mum and sister to come round to the flat as I was shaking like a leaf. We ended up deciding to try and work things out and returned to London together.

Things did not improve much in late August, early September. His hatred toward "E" had become worse, I felt as though I could do no right, and one night he threw all of my clothes out of the wardrobe and all of my jewelery on the floor and told me to go (this was at 11pm at night). I told him I would leave the next morning. The next morning, he said he wanted to try and work things out. Again, for some reason, I agreed.

However mid-September I had had enough. I stayed with a work colleague one night after work and sent my OH an email saying I wasn't sure if things were going to work out and I needed some time out to figure out what was best for us. I returned to our flat the next day to find absolutely no trace of my belongings whatsoever. I couldn't get a hold of him, and it was only when I left a voicemail threatening to call the police, that his mother called me and told me all of my belongings had been packed up and were in her garage.

My Mum flew down the next day, and came with me to pick up some of my things (what we could carry as we didn't have a car). I stayed with my work colleague for a few nights and in my mind the relationship was over. My OH then started texting me saying he wanted us to talk, sent me flowers at work, and said that he still loved me. We met up and ended up talking, he convinced me to give the relationship another go. I then went to Scotland on my own for a few days, during which I didn't quite feel like myself. I discovered I was pregnant. I decided to delay telling him until I had figured out what I wanted to do.

When I returned to London, things were unusually calm between us and after about a fortnight, I told him I thought I was pregnant. He was really positive about the pregnancy and for a few weeks after that he was really sweet and attentive.

We went up to Scotland for my birthday in October. I went up two days earlier than him. On my birthday evening, I found messages on his phone which suggested he had taken another woman to dinner while I had been on my own in Scotland. He said it was a "group dinner", but I am still not sure I believe him.

And over the past month or so, his behavior has been unpredictable and moody. At Christmas, he only agreed to us going up to Scotland to see my family for 3 days (we had a fortnight off) so that he could "rest properly". I miss my family SO much (we are very close) and I am told then when the baby arrives our trips to Scotland might only be once a year as we must put the baby first and it is unfair to travel with a little one. We never do anything fun because he's always tired. We discuss things only when he wants to discuss them. He couldn't make the baby's 20 week scan "due to work" at the beginning of January which I was really upset about. I then got accused of "guilt-tripping" him. A fortnight ago a huge shouting match (only he was shouting) ensued about money/looking at new houses. My OH acted like a petulant child toward me and his mother. I was left crying and shaking.

Last weekend, he completely took me by surprise by proposing. I didn't say "yes" immediately, which caused major offence - as I wanted to talk about it and I was still feeling shaken from the shouting match the previous weekend. He is adamant we get married before the baby's arrival in May even though I wanted to wait until the end of the year when I would feel more comfortable. Anyway, both my OH and his Mum put pressure on me to agree to a wedding in April.

On Friday, we ended up having a conversation about "E" - he said she is not permitted to be in our house at any time or see the baby once it is born, and that I am not allowed to send any photos of the baby to her. I said he was being disproportionate and I was told that he did "a lot" for me, that I should "be grateful" but that he had to "put his foot down" in respect of this. Given that "E" has recently moved to Manchester I am left feeling as though I am never going to be able to see her again. Is OH's controlling behavior only going to get worse?

Since our conversation about "E" he has been sullen.

I confided in my Mum this weekend and she is concerned. She said if it all felt too much I should just make arrangements to come back to Scotland and have the baby there. That my family would support me. I feel coerced by him... every time I think about leaving I seem to get drawn back into the fold. I don't know what to do now. There is no one in my family who is a single parent, and I am terrified. If we get married and I stay will I be able to take my baby to Scotland if things get worse? I know that if a friend of mine told me the above had happened to her, I would tell her she should have got rid of her OH a long time ago, but being in love and being vulnerable skews everything.

I don't know what to do. I thought about just not pandering to him over the next week or so (I usually try and keep the peace) and seeing if everything just unravels.

OP posts:
DorotheaHomeAlone · 28/01/2016 18:34

Just wanted to say well done OP. It's incredibly easy to type 'leave just go' but very hard to do it. You've been incredibly strong and are doing a wonderful thing for yourself and the baby. Good luck.

Purplehonesty · 28/01/2016 18:44

Well done OP wishing you a happy and healthy pregnancy.

Very glad you have your family to support you.

Panadbois · 28/01/2016 19:00

Best of luck and keep strong Flowers

Prayingforsnow · 28/01/2016 19:04

That is such a relief, well done you.

hellsbellsmelons · 28/01/2016 19:05

So glad you are with people who love you now. Take care of yourself and baby. Good luck.
You've already set a great example for your baby. Keep strong.

PhoenixReisling · 28/01/2016 19:07

Well done OP....and thank feck for that!

I second either not telling him where you are (as he may suddenly arrive there) or email as opposed to call.

If you do indeed decide to call, I would advise you to put this on loud speaker and keep the conversation short and to the point. You may find it useful to write bullet points in case you forget or find it difficult.

I would expect tears, declarations that he cannot live without you and so on. When this doesn't work then he'll get nasty (hence why you should not tell him where you are).

In regards to your possessions, please get someone else to do this (your DF, DB etc). When he realises that his usual methods of coercion/manipulation/control etc will not work then he may destroy or throw out your possessions I hope I am wrong.

Flowers
Barmaid101 · 28/01/2016 19:08

Fantastic news!

ILoveMyMonkey · 28/01/2016 19:21

Just read you op like this Shock and then your updates like this Grin well done you, enjoy every minute of your new life and your new baby (when they arrive), stay safe and stay strong OP Flowers

BossWitch · 28/01/2016 19:27

Thank fuck you are out of there safely OP. I was so frightened for you reading this. Agree with pps about avoiding the phone call and using email instead (if it must be done, go speakerphone with your parents present and maybe record it, in case he does make threats?).

Whatever you do, don't get pulled back in now. Do NOT name him on the birth certificate. If he pushes for it, lie and say you were cheating on him and he might not be the father. Do not give him access to you or your dc AT ALL. This is an abusive man, and abuse only ever escalates. Don't give him that chance.

Wishing you lots of happiness and strength in the rest of your pregnancy and in your new life with your child. Don't look back, not even for an instant.

wheresthebeach · 28/01/2016 19:54

Well done OP. So relieved to hear you are safe. Everyone is right about not letting him sneak back in.

Fallandfly · 28/01/2016 19:56

I have only read your op no one else's comments but I had to reply. Leave. I've been you, met someone quickly there were signs of serious trouble, he was controlling, volatile and hated my friend. I then discovered I was pregnan and ignored in the hope it would get better. It did in parts, the nasty/nice cycle but it got worse, so much worse. Has taken ten years to extract myself and I was so ground down by the end I don't recognise who I'd become. Please take care of yourself

Purpleboa · 28/01/2016 19:57

Been following this thread. SO happy to see it has a happier ending. Well done OP. Some excellent advice on here. Stay strong and it will all work out. You have absolutely done the right thing for you and your baby.

wickedwaterwitch · 28/01/2016 20:05

Well done. I wouldn't contact him at all either

Check your online footprint if you don't want him to find you.

Good luck.

Borninthe60s · 28/01/2016 20:12

Bloody hell please do not marry this man under any circumstances. He will end up totally controlling you, he will make sure you have no friends, never see your family and you will become totally dependent upon him. His abuse will escalate.

Go to Scotland, have your child, be near your family in your own home and start again and never see him again. If he wants to see his child he will have to visit Scotland.

Borninthe60s · 28/01/2016 20:14

Sorry hadn't seen your update.

My motto is always, if in doubt, get out! X

lamiashiro · 28/01/2016 20:23

I hadn't read this thread before and the OP filled me with horror. Thank god you took the advice mrsatlantis and went back to Scotland. You've done absolutely the right thing. Your exDP wasn't even a fit partner, let alone husband and father.

If you do nothing else, don't get sucked back in. Everything he will say to you about changing and being a decent person will be a lie and his aim is to trap you and keep you in his control.

Stay in Scotland and be happy without this pathetic excuse for a man.

mix56 · 28/01/2016 20:28

Sadly, I don't think you can claim money for CB from him if he is not allowed access to the child. altho I don't know legally, but morally it is not right & also ties you to this man for life.
Please don't tell him you are at home, he will be there in a day. (altho he will probably guess & be there within a day)
unfriend him on fb, make sure he can't see any posts with you in Scotland, even if this means not using fb.
Change your phone number, & block his email.
send one email saying that: you have left, you have a job offer in Canada, & that he will not see you again. It is impossible to live with an abusive man & you are just lucky to have opened your eyes before you were in danger, mentally & physically. The end

PLEASE Don't ring him, he will shout about his rights as a father......
I don't know if you have anywhere to stay that he won't know of, but I am certain he will try & find you, so beware he will probably park outside your house, & wait.

blueistheonlycolourwefeel · 28/01/2016 20:36

You are entitled to maintenance regardless of whether he sees the child. Contact and maintenance are two separate issues I was told by a family solicitor.
DO NOT speak to him. DO NOT tell him where you are. DO NOT promise him anything to do with your child. If it was me, I'd lie to him and tell him you've lost the baby and manage without any money from him. He is an absolutely vile individual and you're way better off without him. Thanks

Calyx72 · 28/01/2016 20:54

I read your whole thread in horror and I just sobbed out loud with relief at your last message. Frightened my cat!

Sending you a huge big un mnetty hug for being so brave and getting away. You are awesome and I am certain you will do well and be happy with your child and family and friends. ThanksBrew. Now I'm off to have a cuppa myself!

lamiashiro · 28/01/2016 20:56

Frankly, I wouldn't ask for any maintenance from him and consider myself fortunate to be able to cut him off for good. My concern would be that he would use maintenance and access to control you again.

I echo some of the previous posters - don't, under ANY circumstances, tell him where you are or promise visits.

There was a poster on here a while ago who had a child with an abusive partner and had subsequently split with him. He took his revenge by with-holding maintenance unless she gave up her child to him every single weekend and the last I remember seeing, he was taking her to court to get residency, not because he wanted it, but just to demonstrate to her that he could still turn her life upside down.

Fadingmemory · 28/01/2016 21:39

Atlantis, so pleased to hear you are home in Scotland. Very best wishes. Take care and be very wary of having any dealings with your ex unless through official channels such as CMO.

springydaffs · 28/01/2016 22:02

These horror stories are accurate op. Wish they weren't - but they are.

I am concerned you are planning to speak to him. I appreciate it's hard to take all this in, to do an about-face, but please don't do the decent thing by speaking to him. I said upthread 'normal rules don't apply' and they really, really don't. Dont think that by being scrupulously good and honourable you will encourage the same in him: he will exploit even basic courtesy. So conduct comms factually and sparingly re send a factual email that you have left. Don't tell him where you are - though he's obviously going to work it out. Second the 'job in Canada' idea.

Ime the years and years after I left my abuser were more of the same - an endless campaign of abuse that seriously overshadowed my life. For decades. I even considered giving him custody of the kids so they wouldn't have a half-dead mother (not that I didn't, for the kids' sake, bust a gut to cover up my beleaguered state). In short, I, therefore the kids, suffered years of misery. If I had my time again I would have cut him off/done a runner. Abusers DO NOT give up. It wasn't worth the pittance I got from s/e moneybags him.

NameChange30 · 28/01/2016 22:32

Just to say, don't "unfriend" him on FB - you have to block him. If you block him he won't be able to see you at all (whereas if you just delete him as a friend, he may see updates via mutual friends).

RainOhJoyus · 28/01/2016 23:10

OP that's brilliant, so so pleased for you. It will all be a bit uo and down but you've done the hardest thing and your family have your back. Have your best friend to come and stay, she will have missed you and be so so relieved for you Flowers
If you can manage without maintainence comfortably, it might be an option to completely cut ties, that he won't bother if you don't put him in the certificate/say you're unsure about parentage. He might keep trying with contact if paying, but that's something you don't have to think about for a long time. Have a fabulous rest of oregnancy

PitPatKitKat · 28/01/2016 23:21

Welcome home hen Flowers Brew we need a tunnocks teacake emoticon...

Good move getting away, safe safe.

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