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22 wks pregnant - to stay with controlling OH in London or leave and raise baby alone in Scotland with family?

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msatlantis · 25/01/2016 18:03

This is my first post (and a very long one), but I would really welcome some impartial views and advice, thank you in advance.

I have been with my OH for one year. We got introduced by mutual friends (one of my best friends "E", who is also married to one of his friends).

At the time we met, I had just gone through a divorce (no children) and had decided to leave my (good) job in London to return 'home' to my family in Scotland. I bought a flat in Scotland and spent my savings on renovating it.

So, I left for Scotland, but we ended up being in touch constantly, visited each other most weekends and after 3 months working and living in Scotland I decided to make the move back down south to be with him. We were crazy about each other.
At the time, I wanted us to 'date' for another few months before re-locating (again) but he didn't see the point in waiting and was quite distressed when I suggested this. He has a high-pressure, high-profile job which requires him to be in London. I returned to London on 1 July.

I was lucky enough to for my employer to offer me my previous job back. But I had no savings and depended on my OH for accommodation.

Then, it was as though the honey-moon period ended. I never seemed to be able to do anything right. This ranged from being accused of not giving his feelings due consideration to deliberately postponing the process of applying for my decree absolute from my former husband (the delay was due to the court process). I didn't "get" his job, didn't give him adequate "support" and didn't compliment him enough! He is tea-total, and if we were out for a meal at the weekend, he would get annoyed if I had more than one small glass of wine and feel the need to start a discussion about the 'dangers' of alcohol.

During the summer, my friend "E" sent me an email in which she said that she had met up with "J" (another man who she had introduced me to at the beginning of the year) and that he "said hello". My OH saw this email and took absolute offence to it, claiming that "E" was still trying to initiate a relationship between me and "J" despite us being a serious relationship. I spoke to "E", and this was not her intention, she was simply passing on a friendly message, but my OH was, and is still, fuming. He then accused "E" of being racist toward one of his friends, and of being manipulative toward both me and her husband. I have known "E" for 15 years and she is one of the sweetest girls I can think of and a true family friend. My OH then said he wanted me to stop email contact with "E", to limit text messages, and not to see her in the evenings. I felt quite vulnerable as I had moved back to London with no money and didn't have anywhere to go even if I wanted. I agreed, though continued to see "E" for lunches.

In August my OH and I were in Edinburgh for the weekend. We ended up having a big row where he accused me of "keeping things from him". He was paranoid about who I had been dating round-about the time he and I got together, and whether I was still in contact with any of these men (I wasn't). He said he had had enough and spat in my face. I was shaking and shocked, but chose not to do anything about it (now, I wish I had probably walked away at this point). The next day we had another row (think shouting/swearing), at which point I telephoned my Mum and sister to come round to the flat as I was shaking like a leaf. We ended up deciding to try and work things out and returned to London together.

Things did not improve much in late August, early September. His hatred toward "E" had become worse, I felt as though I could do no right, and one night he threw all of my clothes out of the wardrobe and all of my jewelery on the floor and told me to go (this was at 11pm at night). I told him I would leave the next morning. The next morning, he said he wanted to try and work things out. Again, for some reason, I agreed.

However mid-September I had had enough. I stayed with a work colleague one night after work and sent my OH an email saying I wasn't sure if things were going to work out and I needed some time out to figure out what was best for us. I returned to our flat the next day to find absolutely no trace of my belongings whatsoever. I couldn't get a hold of him, and it was only when I left a voicemail threatening to call the police, that his mother called me and told me all of my belongings had been packed up and were in her garage.

My Mum flew down the next day, and came with me to pick up some of my things (what we could carry as we didn't have a car). I stayed with my work colleague for a few nights and in my mind the relationship was over. My OH then started texting me saying he wanted us to talk, sent me flowers at work, and said that he still loved me. We met up and ended up talking, he convinced me to give the relationship another go. I then went to Scotland on my own for a few days, during which I didn't quite feel like myself. I discovered I was pregnant. I decided to delay telling him until I had figured out what I wanted to do.

When I returned to London, things were unusually calm between us and after about a fortnight, I told him I thought I was pregnant. He was really positive about the pregnancy and for a few weeks after that he was really sweet and attentive.

We went up to Scotland for my birthday in October. I went up two days earlier than him. On my birthday evening, I found messages on his phone which suggested he had taken another woman to dinner while I had been on my own in Scotland. He said it was a "group dinner", but I am still not sure I believe him.

And over the past month or so, his behavior has been unpredictable and moody. At Christmas, he only agreed to us going up to Scotland to see my family for 3 days (we had a fortnight off) so that he could "rest properly". I miss my family SO much (we are very close) and I am told then when the baby arrives our trips to Scotland might only be once a year as we must put the baby first and it is unfair to travel with a little one. We never do anything fun because he's always tired. We discuss things only when he wants to discuss them. He couldn't make the baby's 20 week scan "due to work" at the beginning of January which I was really upset about. I then got accused of "guilt-tripping" him. A fortnight ago a huge shouting match (only he was shouting) ensued about money/looking at new houses. My OH acted like a petulant child toward me and his mother. I was left crying and shaking.

Last weekend, he completely took me by surprise by proposing. I didn't say "yes" immediately, which caused major offence - as I wanted to talk about it and I was still feeling shaken from the shouting match the previous weekend. He is adamant we get married before the baby's arrival in May even though I wanted to wait until the end of the year when I would feel more comfortable. Anyway, both my OH and his Mum put pressure on me to agree to a wedding in April.

On Friday, we ended up having a conversation about "E" - he said she is not permitted to be in our house at any time or see the baby once it is born, and that I am not allowed to send any photos of the baby to her. I said he was being disproportionate and I was told that he did "a lot" for me, that I should "be grateful" but that he had to "put his foot down" in respect of this. Given that "E" has recently moved to Manchester I am left feeling as though I am never going to be able to see her again. Is OH's controlling behavior only going to get worse?

Since our conversation about "E" he has been sullen.

I confided in my Mum this weekend and she is concerned. She said if it all felt too much I should just make arrangements to come back to Scotland and have the baby there. That my family would support me. I feel coerced by him... every time I think about leaving I seem to get drawn back into the fold. I don't know what to do now. There is no one in my family who is a single parent, and I am terrified. If we get married and I stay will I be able to take my baby to Scotland if things get worse? I know that if a friend of mine told me the above had happened to her, I would tell her she should have got rid of her OH a long time ago, but being in love and being vulnerable skews everything.

I don't know what to do. I thought about just not pandering to him over the next week or so (I usually try and keep the peace) and seeing if everything just unravels.

OP posts:
Tootyfilou · 28/01/2016 14:55

Listen to all the brilliant advice given here. I meet victims of fomestic violence regularly through my work. Pregnancy is a very dangerous time.
Please leave this man.
Your child ( and you) deserves to live a life without fear and violence.
You are lucky that you have the support of a lovingly family, trust your instincts and go home to them.

DuchessOfWeaseltown · 28/01/2016 15:29

Never usually post in this topic but just had to say: good luck OP and you are doing 100% the right thing in leaving. Appalled by what you posted about his behaviour. You deserve better than this and so does your child (in spades). Thinking of you.

Radyward · 28/01/2016 15:33

Oh my word although I have posted before urging you to leave I have just reread your op, he is a master manipulator . What the hell is wrong with his mother too. I am worried them both as a sort of unit will be v v difficult for you to fight. Utmost secrecy tell no one but your mum and get out. Please don't fluff be strong

skyeskyeskye · 28/01/2016 15:40

OP, another one here who was thinking "run now" before I even finished your post. I rarely say LTB, but in your case, I think you need to go now and I see that your last post says that you are making plans to do so.

Your family sound lovely and supportive and it will be far easier for you to go now than to go once the baby is here.

Good luck for the future.

Goingtobeawesome · 28/01/2016 17:03

Very concerned the OP hasn't been back.

msatlantis · 28/01/2016 17:16

Dear all,
I just wanted to update you. I am safe.
My family have been fantastic.
Having a telephone call tomorrow (with my Mum present) to discuss my move.
Feeling apprehensive about being a single Mum from the outset and starting over, but also feeling lighter and looking forward to being able to lead my own life, have fun and spend time with my family and friends.
A massive THANK YOU for all of your support and messages! x

OP posts:
Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 28/01/2016 17:19

Love and thoughts. Youve made the right decision.
Good luck with your baby and indeed the future. Hope you're very happy x

PrivatePike · 28/01/2016 17:20

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NameChange30 · 28/01/2016 17:24

Hooray! I'm so happy for you. Well done for making the move, OP. Good luck for the rest of your pregnancy and your new life in Scotland.

DartmoorDoughnut · 28/01/2016 17:27

Good job OP, thanks for updating, sending you and your baby good thoughts Flowers stay strong!

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 28/01/2016 17:29

Such good news!

Keep popping back if you want to talk about anything. Look after yourself and look after baby. You'll be grand. Smile

Atenco · 28/01/2016 17:30

Brilliant news, OP. I was single mum from the start and it is so much easier than having to deal with a jerk as well. My married neighbours used to envy me because I could come and go as I pleased.

TheVermiciousKnid · 28/01/2016 17:42

I'm so glad to read your update! :) Well done, you've done the right thing for you and your baby, it would have just got worse and worse.

Your family sounds wonderfully supportive. :)

And when you talk to him on the phone, remember that you don't have to justify leaving. (You don't really have to talk to him at all!)

Uphillanddowndale12 · 28/01/2016 17:45

Great news!! 😀😀
You'll feel stronger and happier every day.

Hope your phone all goes well. Don't let him. Bully you or threaten you. X

Goingtobeawesome · 28/01/2016 17:51

Thank fuck for that. Amazing to think everything was organised so quickly.

Offred · 28/01/2016 17:55

Ah, I lurked earlier and didn't feel commenting would help since you'd decided to go but I'm SO glad to read this.

For my first pg and birth I was with my controlling and abusive XP, he left shortly before I found out I was pg with DC2 and I went through the PG and birth alone and was a single parent to both for a number of years - it happened to be the best PG and birth experience and the time I spent as a single parent with two DC was the happiest time of my life.

It was hard grieving for the relationship, it was also hard recovering from the abuse and dealing with him still being a twat (DC2 was conceived through rape) was also tough but the amount of freedom and happiness I had when free of his control and with a baby to look forward to was absolutely wonderful.

I felt superhuman.

I hope this is how you eventually feel too.

I really loved and valued sitting in my small safe little flat on my own with my sleeping children. I felt so relaxed and confident for the birth knowing I would not have to deal with him being a twat during my labour (with DC1 he brought his family to visit while I was labouring and threatened to punch the very lovely midwife).

I finally could be me.

LindyHemming · 28/01/2016 17:58

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goddessofsmallthings · 28/01/2016 18:05

Another who's relieved that you are safe with your family.

When you have your conversation (with your mum present) to 'discuss your move', DON'T agree to him visiting you at any time either before or after the birth or make any promises to him in relation to your dc.

Make it clear that his controlling and abusive behaviour has been such that you do not wish to see him again and that you won't be in Scotland for long as you've made plans to stay with your dm's second cousin's aunt by marriage or similiar distant relative in Canada or New Zealand, or any other distant place where he'll find it difficult to track you down.

Do not take any notice of anything he may say, whether it be a charm offensive with promises of change or threats to take you to court for 'custody' of the child. After he's thrown his toys out of the pram he'll settle for another victim and will leave you alone; any sporadic attempts he may make to contact you via your family or friends in future will only be indication that he's between victims and looking to relieve his frustration by pulling your wings off again.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE heed this advice as you will have cause to regret it if you don't. Needless to say, after your conversation tomorrow you would be ill-advised to contact him again for any reason.

Flowers I wish you well for the future and trust that it brings you all you desire.

VoldysGoneMouldy · 28/01/2016 18:08

Well done OP. You are incredible. Keep going. x

Cantseetheforest · 28/01/2016 18:08

Well done OP!! You've done a hard thing, you should be proud!Flowers

Offred · 28/01/2016 18:13

I think at this stage it is unnecessary to tell him where you are at all TBH.

I wouldn't recommend lying but until the baby is born he has no right to any contact with you at all and he has been abusive.

I would just focus on getting through the PG and defer thinking about his parental rights etc until after you've recovered from the birth.

I wouldn't want him knowing where I was. If you can block your number or send him an email letting him know you have gone, don't wish contact and will let him know when the baby is born then I would.

springydaffs · 28/01/2016 18:16

Fabulous news. So relieved for you

Do you have to talk to him? Would a dear John do?

StickyToffeePuddingAndCustard · 28/01/2016 18:20

Well done on leaving, totally the right choice.

If you haven't already, make sure you block any access to apps on your phone and iPad like Find my Friends so he can't track you.

NameChange30 · 28/01/2016 18:21

I agree that it's not a good idea to let him know where you are, and you're under no obligation to do so. Just tell him you've left for good, don't want him to contact you, and will inform him when the baby is born. I would be tempted to do that by email rather than phone. But either way you need to keep it short and to the point, don't get drawn into to a long and difficult conversation.

When you're feeling a bit more settled, it might be useful to get some counselling to help you recover and move on from the abusive relationship.

When the baby is born I wouldn't put his name on the birth certificate but would get him to pay maintenance (through CMO if he refuses to pay).

LeaLeander · 28/01/2016 18:22

I support the advice not to tell him where you are. And why do you even need to speak with him at all? If you need to collect things from your former home couldn't you send round a friend to do it, or something like that? They could contact him to make the arrangements.

Otherwise I would e-mail rather than phone A conversation just gives him an opportunity to manipulate you.

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