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22 wks pregnant - to stay with controlling OH in London or leave and raise baby alone in Scotland with family?

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msatlantis · 25/01/2016 18:03

This is my first post (and a very long one), but I would really welcome some impartial views and advice, thank you in advance.

I have been with my OH for one year. We got introduced by mutual friends (one of my best friends "E", who is also married to one of his friends).

At the time we met, I had just gone through a divorce (no children) and had decided to leave my (good) job in London to return 'home' to my family in Scotland. I bought a flat in Scotland and spent my savings on renovating it.

So, I left for Scotland, but we ended up being in touch constantly, visited each other most weekends and after 3 months working and living in Scotland I decided to make the move back down south to be with him. We were crazy about each other.
At the time, I wanted us to 'date' for another few months before re-locating (again) but he didn't see the point in waiting and was quite distressed when I suggested this. He has a high-pressure, high-profile job which requires him to be in London. I returned to London on 1 July.

I was lucky enough to for my employer to offer me my previous job back. But I had no savings and depended on my OH for accommodation.

Then, it was as though the honey-moon period ended. I never seemed to be able to do anything right. This ranged from being accused of not giving his feelings due consideration to deliberately postponing the process of applying for my decree absolute from my former husband (the delay was due to the court process). I didn't "get" his job, didn't give him adequate "support" and didn't compliment him enough! He is tea-total, and if we were out for a meal at the weekend, he would get annoyed if I had more than one small glass of wine and feel the need to start a discussion about the 'dangers' of alcohol.

During the summer, my friend "E" sent me an email in which she said that she had met up with "J" (another man who she had introduced me to at the beginning of the year) and that he "said hello". My OH saw this email and took absolute offence to it, claiming that "E" was still trying to initiate a relationship between me and "J" despite us being a serious relationship. I spoke to "E", and this was not her intention, she was simply passing on a friendly message, but my OH was, and is still, fuming. He then accused "E" of being racist toward one of his friends, and of being manipulative toward both me and her husband. I have known "E" for 15 years and she is one of the sweetest girls I can think of and a true family friend. My OH then said he wanted me to stop email contact with "E", to limit text messages, and not to see her in the evenings. I felt quite vulnerable as I had moved back to London with no money and didn't have anywhere to go even if I wanted. I agreed, though continued to see "E" for lunches.

In August my OH and I were in Edinburgh for the weekend. We ended up having a big row where he accused me of "keeping things from him". He was paranoid about who I had been dating round-about the time he and I got together, and whether I was still in contact with any of these men (I wasn't). He said he had had enough and spat in my face. I was shaking and shocked, but chose not to do anything about it (now, I wish I had probably walked away at this point). The next day we had another row (think shouting/swearing), at which point I telephoned my Mum and sister to come round to the flat as I was shaking like a leaf. We ended up deciding to try and work things out and returned to London together.

Things did not improve much in late August, early September. His hatred toward "E" had become worse, I felt as though I could do no right, and one night he threw all of my clothes out of the wardrobe and all of my jewelery on the floor and told me to go (this was at 11pm at night). I told him I would leave the next morning. The next morning, he said he wanted to try and work things out. Again, for some reason, I agreed.

However mid-September I had had enough. I stayed with a work colleague one night after work and sent my OH an email saying I wasn't sure if things were going to work out and I needed some time out to figure out what was best for us. I returned to our flat the next day to find absolutely no trace of my belongings whatsoever. I couldn't get a hold of him, and it was only when I left a voicemail threatening to call the police, that his mother called me and told me all of my belongings had been packed up and were in her garage.

My Mum flew down the next day, and came with me to pick up some of my things (what we could carry as we didn't have a car). I stayed with my work colleague for a few nights and in my mind the relationship was over. My OH then started texting me saying he wanted us to talk, sent me flowers at work, and said that he still loved me. We met up and ended up talking, he convinced me to give the relationship another go. I then went to Scotland on my own for a few days, during which I didn't quite feel like myself. I discovered I was pregnant. I decided to delay telling him until I had figured out what I wanted to do.

When I returned to London, things were unusually calm between us and after about a fortnight, I told him I thought I was pregnant. He was really positive about the pregnancy and for a few weeks after that he was really sweet and attentive.

We went up to Scotland for my birthday in October. I went up two days earlier than him. On my birthday evening, I found messages on his phone which suggested he had taken another woman to dinner while I had been on my own in Scotland. He said it was a "group dinner", but I am still not sure I believe him.

And over the past month or so, his behavior has been unpredictable and moody. At Christmas, he only agreed to us going up to Scotland to see my family for 3 days (we had a fortnight off) so that he could "rest properly". I miss my family SO much (we are very close) and I am told then when the baby arrives our trips to Scotland might only be once a year as we must put the baby first and it is unfair to travel with a little one. We never do anything fun because he's always tired. We discuss things only when he wants to discuss them. He couldn't make the baby's 20 week scan "due to work" at the beginning of January which I was really upset about. I then got accused of "guilt-tripping" him. A fortnight ago a huge shouting match (only he was shouting) ensued about money/looking at new houses. My OH acted like a petulant child toward me and his mother. I was left crying and shaking.

Last weekend, he completely took me by surprise by proposing. I didn't say "yes" immediately, which caused major offence - as I wanted to talk about it and I was still feeling shaken from the shouting match the previous weekend. He is adamant we get married before the baby's arrival in May even though I wanted to wait until the end of the year when I would feel more comfortable. Anyway, both my OH and his Mum put pressure on me to agree to a wedding in April.

On Friday, we ended up having a conversation about "E" - he said she is not permitted to be in our house at any time or see the baby once it is born, and that I am not allowed to send any photos of the baby to her. I said he was being disproportionate and I was told that he did "a lot" for me, that I should "be grateful" but that he had to "put his foot down" in respect of this. Given that "E" has recently moved to Manchester I am left feeling as though I am never going to be able to see her again. Is OH's controlling behavior only going to get worse?

Since our conversation about "E" he has been sullen.

I confided in my Mum this weekend and she is concerned. She said if it all felt too much I should just make arrangements to come back to Scotland and have the baby there. That my family would support me. I feel coerced by him... every time I think about leaving I seem to get drawn back into the fold. I don't know what to do now. There is no one in my family who is a single parent, and I am terrified. If we get married and I stay will I be able to take my baby to Scotland if things get worse? I know that if a friend of mine told me the above had happened to her, I would tell her she should have got rid of her OH a long time ago, but being in love and being vulnerable skews everything.

I don't know what to do. I thought about just not pandering to him over the next week or so (I usually try and keep the peace) and seeing if everything just unravels.

OP posts:
Goodbetterbest · 07/02/2016 08:14

Oh, one other thing, I started out with my baby as a single mum. It was bliss. Not without it's difficulties, but we were so happy.

I went on to get back together with the father and have more children. We split up. Yesterday he called me a fucking bitch in front of our son because I stood up to him. DS still thinks his dad is the best thing ever. I can't tell DS why we split (EA, cheating, prostitues). All I can do is try to counter-act XHs influence. And it's hard.

Years and years of emotional abuse can be avoided if you don't look back. It's exciting to be where you are, and your family will be all you need. Look forward Smile

PitPatKitKat · 07/02/2016 08:18

He's doing two things here- attempting to gaslight you to try to lure you back within his clutches, and trying to discredit you with friends, relatives & authorities both so he saves face and also has a case for custody later (unfit mother/unreasonable/PND etc). He may will also be in deep denial about his behaviour. It is absolutely textbook.

So I would suggest:
*minimise contact with him, any necessary contact has to be in writing
*get in touch with women's aid (they know this script back to front and will help you over come it, both internally and externally)

Don't feel guilty about escaping the gilded cage. You'd just have been setting your baby up for a lifetime of control and possibly abuse, and definitely seeing his/her mother be abused regularly, maybe even killed at some point if it escalated to serious violence.

Your family love you and support you. Don't even think about putting his name on the birth certificate. There are differences between Scottish and English law in terms of parental responsibility etc, so find out exactly how these will apply to you, before you even start thinking about access, letting hi/his parents see the child etc.

Flossiesmummy · 07/02/2016 08:30

Seconding everything that's been said since your update.

He's not apologising. He's blaming you and making you feel guilty. He may well eventually apologise though as abusive people will try literally everything and anything to get what they want.

He's still trying to manipulate and control you. Please don't fall for it. Stay away from him. As I said when I last posted, you will love this baby more than anything else on God's green earth and you will be so glad you saved them from this situation.

Stay strong. You have our full support. Thanks

Kr1stina · 07/02/2016 08:38

As they are not married, the OP CANT put his name on the birth certificate, even if she wanted to . He would have to attend with her to register the birth .

OP , you have already said that you would not stop him seeing the child. So you are not preventing him having a relationship with his child, you have nothing to feel guilty for .

As you will know, there are plenty flights, roads ,trains and buses from London to Edinburgh, I'm sure that he can work out how to use them if he wants to see his child . Naturally , you will only allow access supervised by your parents/ family or in a family centre .

Scotland is a free country and there's nothing stopping him moving here if he wants to see his child more often .

Zhx3 · 07/02/2016 09:07

OP, glad to hear you are out. Your post made me so incredibly sad and worried as I have a friend who is currently going through something similar, but getting more and more mired in the relationship, it seems.

I second Kristina - he knows how trains and buses work, so if he insists on seeing you, make sure it is from a place where you are safe and supported, and on your terms. You are pregnant now, so more vulnerable. Don't do any of the running and appeasing. Put yourself and your baby first.

Your mum sounds great. I wish my friend's mum was as supportive. [Flowers] for you and wishing you all the best.

Kr1stina · 07/02/2016 09:59

He can't insist on seeing you . He can't even insist on seeing the baby with recourse to law . Personally I'd make him go to court if he wants to see the child. It will be in the Scottish courts of course, so he will need to instruct a Scottish solicitor .

But I can see that You are keen to let him see the baby aftre she/ he is born. I'd it was me I would have your parents supervise it and not you .

cheminotte · 07/02/2016 10:52

Please stay strong OP - he is trying to rewrite history. Get your mum to intercept all emails, phone calls and visits and do not see him until after the baby is born.

hellsbellsmelons · 08/02/2016 08:40

He's so bloody predictable.
All abusers do exactly what he has done.
And counselling??? With an abuser?? Never ever agree to that.
If he wants to accept that he is an abuser he can access counselling for himself.
Any counseller who is even half way decent will NOT do joint counselling when abuse is involved.
Keep strong. Confide in your mother and get support on here.
So many women have been where you are and they absolutely know what they are talking about.
You have Hindsight in spades on this site. So utilise it.

spudlike1 · 08/02/2016 09:15

Leave without telling him.Leave now .
His behaviour towards you is frightening
He is unhinged .
Protect your baby , protect yourself .

Musicmay · 08/02/2016 09:25

He is behaving horrendously towards you but things will only get much much worse. Run for the hills. Do not let your innocent baby be brought into this environment when you have the choice of bringing them up with your lovely family. Good luck. Flowers

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 08/02/2016 10:32

Spudlike and Musicmay - the fred has moved on a bit! Smile

Granville72 · 08/02/2016 12:39

His parents can still have contact with the baby once it's born - Skype, they can visit or meet up half way, they need not be excluded. It's up to you how much they are involved.

And do not feel guilty, he sure as hell wont.

Relax, you're home with your family. Just thank god you never married him.

Unhappyexpat · 08/02/2016 13:08

I strongly suggest logging his abusive behaviour with 101.
He's trying to lay a paper trail (saying you're anxious, etc) and you need to make sure your side of the story is told.

Kr1stina · 08/02/2016 15:00

Do NOT, whatever you do , go back to live with him and give birth in London. If you do that he will be able to stop you moving back to Edinburgh with the baby .

You need to make sure that the baby is habitually resident in Scotland, so that it will come under the jurisdiction of the Scottish courts .

If I were you, I would have the baby , come out of hospital and go and register the birth. Then tell him it's born. Then he can't pressurise you on names or try to go and register the birth with him , so he has parental responsibility.

Please don't give the baby his surname . I'm sure you're not that daft, but I've seen other women in your situation do this for very weird reasons .

Actually id probably never tell him anything about the baby, but I think you do want him to have contact .

rumbleinthrjungle · 08/02/2016 15:44

OP you're depriving your child of a childhood full of fear, stress and abuse that would affect them for a lifetime. Please go right on depriving.

He wants couples counselling to enlist the counsellor to his side and have someone help him convince you this is all your fault and he wouldn't have to spit in your face and be abusive to you if you didn't constantly do things to deserve it. It's a known strategy and a known script in abusive men.

Make sure your midwife knows in your previous town that you have fled an abusive partner - and describe the spitting, control, who you can and can't see etc - and that your new midwife also knows you have had to run away from this man. That will help if he starts trying to control you about contact with the baby.

This is a very fucked up man. You cannot fix him. You cannot change him. He is a threat to you, and as many here have said, a newborn seriously escalates risk in abusive men. The best thing to do is make this as clean and total a break as you possibly can, and don't engage with him.

TheExMotherInLaw · 08/02/2016 16:12

So glad you're safe - please stay in Scotland, and keep you and your baby away from this abusive gaslighting bully. It would only get worse.

Nanny0gg · 08/02/2016 23:50

Please don't let your child have a 'relationship' with this abusive man.

I know people often say they shouldn't deprive the child of a relationship with their father, but in this case it can only be damaging.
His parents won't protect your child from him either.

When your DC is old enough you can explain, but until then it is your job to protect them so please keep them away.

HalloumiToastie · 09/02/2016 07:53

Having recently escaped an abusive with relationship. I can only second what the others have said. If I could turn back time and leave before dd was born I would.

SpecialStains · 09/02/2016 13:20

Hey, just to add to all the great advice on here - he does not need to have any contact with you until baby is born (and even then, I think you should wait until he pushes that through court).

Change your mobile phone number, close down your current email account and get two new ones. One address just for him to contact you (but only give him this after baby is born) and a new one for you to use for all your other correspondence. When you move out of your parents do not give him your new home address.

The child has a right to relationship with him if it is in the child's best interests. Let the court decide this. Do not put his name on birtb certificate, and give baby whatever name you fancy. Register baby's birth before you tell him baby has been born (again, I wouldn't voluntarily tell him baby has been born).

Train links between London and Edinburgh are good so he can stop trying to guilt you.

Over riding message - you have split up. Do not engage with him until baby is born.

msatlantis · 17/02/2016 19:37

Hi all,

I have been re-reading this thread as it gives me a bit of support when I am feeling low and wavering.

Unfortunately I ended up in hospital (Edinburgh) for 5 days at the beginning of February with a nasty bug, very dehydrated. Ex-OH got wind of this and came up from London to visit me with his mum. He must have been warned not to raise the topic of our relationship ending, as he just asked after how I was keeping etc. Before he left he told me he loved me. I didn't say anything.

Once I got out of hospital I stayed with my Mum for a week. I got an email from him during this time saying that I obviously 'hadn't been well' when I ended the relationship and 'hadn't sounded like myself' - and he would give me some space to think and re-consider.

It's like has no self-awareness or genuine empathy. And somehow always makes me feel bad and makes himself look generous.
Do people like this actually know what they are doing?

I have been drafting an email to him for days now, stating that I don't wish to continue our relationship. I just need to press send. And I will; I just need to muster up the courage... I've been seeing a counsellor since I left him and she says the reason I am finding it so difficult to completely sever ties is because my self-confidence has been chipped away at so badly.

The counsellor also said that it sounds as though my ex-OH has personality issues/disorder, and that it is very difficult to change or treat someone like that.

I think I am also scared about being a single mum. If anyone else has raised a baby alone from birth, please tell me how you managed.

I know I need to put any idealised notions of the perfect little family behind me. It's hard. My facebook feed is full of family and friends putting up photos of their babies/daddies.

I don't even understand why he wants to continue our relationship. I can't believe that he truly loves or cares about me.

I spoke to his mum yesterday to try and locate a document I have been looking for. She was very short with me. It just feels so unjust. I hate that other people might think that somehow I'm in the wrong or a bad person, when really, I'm not. She knows what her son is like. Maybe she's just disappointed she won't get to know her grandchild in the same way she may have done had I not left. Perhaps she can't get her head around why I'd leave someone with such a good job, being given a massive house on a plate etc.

I've had to return to my job in London this week (I can't go off on maternity leave for another month or so) and sorted myself accommodation out through Air B&B... it's so depressing, and expensive. I just can't believe the situation I'm in; eating my meals at work, sleeping and waking in a strange room, alone, with a baby kicking away inside me. I feel a bit sorry for myself if you can tell!

OP posts:
wonkylampshade · 17/02/2016 20:01

Atlantis, I posted on your thread earlier, it's good to read your update. Stick in there for the month and come back up to your mum's, it'll go by quickly. Are you able to avoid him while you're down there?

I raised my older dd alone - not from birth but from shortly after she was born. It was a hell of a lot easier on my own than with her dad tbh.

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 17/02/2016 20:14

So good to hear further from you. You're doing so well, really you are!

Yes, it's regrettable that his mum is being such a dick. You know she's wrong. You have to stop caring how she feels about anything. It's easier said than done, but essential for your well-being.

Happy to hear about baby kicks! Squeee! Take good care of the two of you.

wonkylampshade · 17/02/2016 20:14

I meant to add - my xp who sounds quite similar in some ways, worked with his mum to try and convince me (and other people) I had pnd when I finally extricated myself from the relationship. Honestly they were bonkers.

I didn't have pnd, I was just in a hideous relationship with a controlling, abusive man who persistently gaslighted and bullied me, and I was struggling to cope with it.

SauvignonPlonker · 17/02/2016 20:24

ThanksOP, sounds like you've had a rough time.

It also sounds like he is being manipulative. And bringing his mum up to Scotland - that's odd/abnormal. He just wants to control you at a time when you're vulnerable.

Hang on on there, another month & you can head home to your family.

I wouldn't be telling him of any hospital/ante-natal appointments.

Stay strong.

Iggi999 · 17/02/2016 20:30

How is he "getting wind of" things that only concern you? Try to cut off whatever this line of communication is. You are so close to being free now. I know he didn't seem as bad to you as he does to (all!) of us reading about his behaviour, but sometimes that outside perspective is what you need to hold on to.

Raising a child alone can't be as hard as doing it with an abusive man. You may not be alone for ever anyway, you could be raising your child with a caring and supportive new partner and eventually having dcs with him too.