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How did you find out they were cheating?

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Frecklesandspecs · 23/09/2015 17:33

How, why and when?!

Me and H have had problems for quite a while and are on the verge of separating. (I want to, he doesn't)
Anyway he's always been a bit of a workaholic, often strolls in 10pm, never before 7. I'd just kind of got used to it until I ealised a few months ago he was going out at 5.30am. 6.30 am I can kind of Imagine e would be sensible but 5.30am just seems way too early and coming back at the time he does.
He walks to the station (20 mins roughly) and gets train into London (approx. 45 mins at most I think)
This happens every day pretty much. I know his job can have long hours and this has been hard to deal with but this just seems a bit nutty?!
I really am starting to wonder here.

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Frecklesandspecs · 25/09/2015 07:15

Green, I can't check any of that really. He doesn't have any paper statements (that I can find). His phone and computer are locked with password (probably a really long geeky one).
I've had to dig around a bit for details of mortgagee and house in case of divorce (I'm not on deeds or mortgage).
I've had to be so careful as he is meticulous!
He even takes his car key with him to work (car stays at home!)

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Frecklesandspecs · 25/09/2015 07:22

Thank you Lilac, I hope you get those living arrangements sorted out soon and you can settle down.
Your post is encouraging. Did the kids change schools?

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Frecklesandspecs · 25/09/2015 07:31

Sorry Lilac, of course they did !

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Louisa111 · 25/09/2015 08:21

Ohhh freckles I so feel for you. I'm in a similar situation. My dh works same hours as yours, it's awful as when he gets home he's so exhausted there's no family time at all and not much conversation, he has his dinner then falls asleep . Last year I suspected an affair with a work colleague but my biggest mistake was to keep asking ' are you seeing someone else' and anything I wS suspicious about I confronted it head on!! Now a year down the line I still have my suspicions but absolutely nothing to go on.

He either is just working really really hard or he's just good at hiding what he is up to. Like you I have no access to his accounts, he banks online and oddly his credit card statement that used to come through the post is also now done paperless.

Of course in your case your dh may/may not be having an affair but it's clear your not happy. Can you not just have a chat ( don't mention affair) and just say your worried where your relationship is heading etc and can you make a bit more effort. He may just be very overworked/ stressed and tbh us women always get the brunt of it.

But please please don't tell him your suspicions, I did and now it's a very touchy subject, he gets defensive straight away and I feel like I'm going around in circles, Good luck with it all xx

Notasinglefuckwasgiven · 25/09/2015 08:46

Some of these are awful! How cruel people can beSad
I've told mine before on here. Was a feeling. He was jittery going on a works do and insisted I couldn't go it was employees only ( it wasn't ) and when he got back drunk he was nasty and hid his phone under the pillow before passing out. I checked it and found he'd been texting a girl 20 years younger than him ( he was older than me she was younger than me ) begging her to have sex with him. She was enjoying the flattery but kept texting I'm not sure I'm newly dumped tell me again how pretty you think I am, basically enjoying the attention. I text her politely and told her I was packing so she was welcome to him and I didn't blame her. Ripped him a new arsehole and Blush announced the split and why. She was mortified and immediately showed the texts at work claiming he was harassing her for sex. He was very unpopular after that. Nicknamed ' Creepy Xxxx ' and couldn't have scored if he fell in a barrel of fannies. I moved on and met dds dad Grin

Frecklesandspecs · 25/09/2015 09:23

Right: the gross bit. Hmm
I've done an analysis of his underwear.
Please, please tell me to stop fretting if this is nothing. I'm probably being very silly!
But, on about 5/7 of them there are small white wish snail marks not down in crotch but higher up. Not much at all but enough for me to notice in the same place on most of them.
Reiterate, this is not much at all but there!

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Frecklesandspecs · 25/09/2015 09:25

Louisa, yes. I've not really confronted him as have nothing else to go on like you. It's so frustrating.
We have talked before and I think we're past talking now.

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Baconyum · 25/09/2015 10:08

Don't bank on finding out for definite any time soon. Here goes, I've also told my story before...

Picking arguments and distancing from me and dd. Inc one time in my face telling me he was going to make me end the marriage and make it look like it was my fault.

Mentionitis but about 2 colleagues. One of whom I was v friendly with and initially confided in about my concerns.

Went from being a clock watcher who never worked a minute more than he had to, to going in early, staying late and going in at weekends/back again in eve supposedly. But when I phoned I'd get other colleagues who'd tell me he wasn't there, this was what made me really suspicious.

Luckily I had a wise relative who had not been cheated on but had more life experience than me and had seen it happen to others. She counselled me to play the long game, get ducks in a row, get SHL etc.

Started to be more concerned about his appearance. Stopped complaining about lack of sex, I'd withdrawn marital relations as soon as I had any suspicion for the sake of my health, he'd always been very anti-condoms.

His phone and email suddenly had pass locks when they never had before.

Attempted to keep his phone with him at all times.

Answered home phone as much as possible.

Whenever I even suggested marriage in trouble gaslighted me to point I genuinely thought I was going to end up sectioned. I actually think now he was aiming for this so he could get dd as stuff was moved around, appointments for dd changed without my knowledge etc.

Work functions were suddenly all employee only.

He forgot his phone, I sussed the pass code (wasn't hard), and saw texts between them, but I think I was STILL hoping I was wrong, didn't tie up with certain timings with ow 1(remember the mentionitis?)

Culminated in him helping out ow no 1 With something that involved a trip just a couple hours from us, he called at teatime to say it was 'too far away' so he was staying there for the night. Gave him an ultimatum at this point of come home or we're over. He didn't come home and turned his phone off. When he came home next morning his stuff was on lawn in black bags.

Ow1 couldn't look me in the eye.

Another colleague saw me in the local corner shop and let something odd slip, that's when I realised there were 2!

Ow1, supposedly mine and ow2's friend was basically just a fb and kept her part quiet from both me and ow 2. Ow 2 is now wife 2. She still doesn't know about ow1.

Wife 2 was pregnant at time of split, I learned that sbexh was dithering over ending it with her and was told that of course the person telling me couldn't know for sure but that the timing of the pregnancy was very convenient.

Sbexh literally cried on my shoulder about the pregnancy, and said it was only ever meant to be a bit of fun. At various points he's come sniffing round me, including the day before their wedding. He's on affair no3 since they've been together, pregnancies coincide with him straying. Baby 4 due soon.

It was when he called me drunk trying to get back with me one time I found out the whole truth. So glad I withdrew marital relations, at one stage he was shagging all 3 of us. He was at the time both of theirs' boss and it was a small office.

He's screwed up his career as well as everything else, has no relationship with dd, and I suspect doesn't really want to be with wife 2 or even with anyone.

I'm still single (but not a nun Grin) but dd and I have a pretty good relationship (allowing for fact she's now a teen), I have my little flat and a peaceful home life mostly, much better off without him. I certainly wouldn't be in wife 2's position for all the love and money in the world.

OP while your situation sounds similar to mine, I know if at least one similar in my circle and it wasn't an affair it was redundancy being threatened at the guys workplace and he felt in the current economy and at his age he wouldn't get a job and even if he did nowhere near the salary and so was worried about mortgage etc. Not that this excuses bad behaviour but its a possibility.

Frecklesandspecs · 25/09/2015 10:45

Oh bacon, Sad Thanks for telling your story. My h has pretty much always had locks on his phone and pc, so that's nothing new to me.
My older sister went through a similar thing. Her ex was cheating on her at work ( an ambulance driver!).
Sounds like he is going to have a lot of offspring to pay for!

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iwashappy · 25/09/2015 21:45

I found a text on his phone by accident. I wasn't looking and didn't have any suspicions. Was a complete shock. With hindsight he had a bit of mentionitis and always had his phone with him.

There was no obvious change in his behaviour but later found out he'd cheated on me for over twenty years with various women so I suppose his behaviour was normal for him.

I'm sorry you're concerned OP, from my own experience they will lie and lie and deny unless you have solid evidence so you may well not get the truth if you ask him (if he is cheating). I hope your suspicions prove unfounded.

Justaboy · 25/09/2015 23:02

Baconyum that's what my gran would have called "a real rum 'un"!.

frecksandspecs errmm had a look at the washing basket earlier and err a similar trace exists! Hope that's not too much information;!.

Frecklesandspecs · 25/09/2015 23:15
Confused Taking it that that's fairly normal!

Maybe we should forget that one..... Blush
Conclusion:
He's probably just a workaholic with a few hot colleagues Sad

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Frecklesandspecs · 25/09/2015 23:17

Iwashappy, I still don't know what 'mentionitis' actually is.
At first I read it as 'meningitis' Blush

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Justaboy · 25/09/2015 23:21

frecksandspecs It does appear from several other threads and instances that most men seem to want to be found out, they are really no good at all at hiding anything.

Frecklesandspecs · 25/09/2015 23:27

I think I agree now! I've never looked at his phone or computer though. Don't know the passwords. Is that just him and his privacy?

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Frecklesandspecs · 25/09/2015 23:32

Justaboy, we don't have anything shared really. I don't share his bank account/name or mortgageor deeds (only his). It's as if he's effectively still living as he was before we got married. (he gives me an allowance each month for the housekeeping)

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Justaboy · 25/09/2015 23:43

If push does come to shove and you do start proceedings he will have to declare his income and outgoings on a form E if he covers up and anything comes to light then he's in contempt of court and he won't like that;!.

You'll have to do the same.

Have a look at this site its very good at explaining what needs to be done and the stuff you'll encounter.

www.divorce.co.uk/

BTW just looked at your original postings and you say he takes his car keys to work and leaves the car at home that's very odd that is I don't want to make you worry but I wonder what he's got in the car?. Can you get access to it at any time he's out?.

Frecklesandspecs · 26/09/2015 00:07

No, not nowadays. I have my own car to take kids to school etc but he only uses his about once a month as he uses transport to work.

I've already spoken to one solicitor and have tried to gather what info I can.
Our issues though, are not about if he is cheating or not. I've posted another thread in relationships for the man reasons a while ago.
I'm just exploring the whole picture white I have the chance.

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DadOnIce · 26/09/2015 15:10

"Mentionitis" is where the person playing away can't help saying the name of the OW, or potential OW, all the time. It's a subconscious way of being "open" so that they can convince themselves the person isn't a dirty little secret and is just another person they happen to work with. E.g.:

"Sarah at work said this book was good...."
"Oh, yes, Sarah likes Bake-Off too, she was saying..."
"Some of the guys think Sarah is quite pretty but..." etc.

I have to say I am astonished at the apparent ineptitude of some of the philanderers reported on here. Non-secured phones, announcing illicit dates on Facebook, hotel receipts, satnav evidence, lipstick on collars (how 1950s!). It's as if these people have never read a novel...

Frecklesandspecs · 26/09/2015 17:16

Yes dad, ty for the clarification. The only person h mentions is a guy so I'd probably pass on that one. Unless of course.....Hmm
It is quite astonishing how people have found out. Saying this my sister had her first suspicions on Facebook.
My h does not use Facebook. (He's above all that nonsence Wink)

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ladybird69 · 26/09/2015 18:29

on lads holiday during drunken phone call home his best mate introduced himself to me ie the ow!
he bought a 'bargain' laptop with fingerprint security!
he bought new clothes toiletries and music
he used cash for everything(no trace) but his mobile bill which came out of household account tripled.
being more affectionate but couldn't get it up due to over use.
plus all other parts of THE SCRIPT all hotly denied and lied about and passed the guilt- how could you think I'd cheat.

brokenhearted55a · 26/09/2015 18:48

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LilacSpunkMonkey · 26/09/2015 18:50

Mentionitis in my ex's case was constant referring to his OW's husband, who ex worked with. How he met OW. He couldn't mention her so everything he got from her was attributed to her husband. I was clueless on that for months. I only put it together after the split, which is when so much becomes clear.

Justaboy · 26/09/2015 22:03

Sure are learning a new vocabulary here on MN!.

That's two new words I've learnt today:)

Frecklesandspecs · 26/09/2015 22:14

Ladybird Shock
Beokenhearted, no, the world needs good people like us Grin
I think there are decent guys our there but I think a major factor is lack of respect and selfishness in the whole of society. Everybody just takes what is the best for him/herself.
What strikes me more on this thread is how bloody stupid some of them are!

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