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Fiancé revealed something the other day...

354 replies

Serenstar83 · 23/07/2015 20:27

Hi, I really need some advice.

I've been with my partner for 4 months and we recently got engaged. It's quick, but we feel more for each other than we ever have for anyone else and just feels 'right'.

He makes me laugh, feel safe, wanted, loved, I have three children that he is great with and he is just generally a lovely guy...perfect for me I would say.

However. The other day we were chatting about something, and he revealed that years ago he had been paid to beat people up! He was very vague and refuses to discuss it in any more detail, saying it was the past and none of my business, but obviously I feel very uncomfortable with this...he can't understand why, saying everyone else he has mentioned it to has seen his point of view "eventually" - that it was just a job to him and "premeditated, I'd never go out and beat someone up after going out on the lash or anything".

He also today revealed that "I wake up angry and go to bed angry, during the day is hard work but I can control it".
I've seen a few hints of possible...mental illness maybe...? - he gets very visibly anxious sometimes; scratching his head or arms (not hard) and seems visibly worked up, but it passes fairly quickly especially if I mention it. The other day he went shopping for me and couldn't find the cheese I had asked for, came back and said he had almost burst into tears over not being able to find this cheese. He said it's very out of character for him and his head feels 'muddled' at the moment.

On occasion he seems different, a kind of cold look in his eye and he has said that people have mentioned this before. He also said that an ex paid for private counselling for him once but it didn't help at all.

What worries me is earlier I asked if he would see his GP and try to get referred to the local mental health team to get checked over if I asked him to and he said that no, he never would as he doesn't see the need. He is "fine and able to control it" and he doesn't see the point in getting checked out, even if I feel very uncomfortable with him not getting checked over.

We were sort of arguing when this last bit was brought up so maybe he might be more willing to try and see a doctor at another time, but I am really worried about this past beating people up thing, and the fact he says he gets angry when he wakes up and goes to sleep. He says he has past issues that he thinks has caused this but I know he would never hurt me or my children at all.

I feel so happy with him, and I do trust him, feel safe, all of that. But am I right to be concerned about his past or should I just get over it and move on?

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sonnyson12 · 24/07/2015 01:19

You'd be surprised.

Ohfourfoxache · 24/07/2015 01:25

So you both have a history of or a tendency towards the physical?

Really not a good combination. For your dc's safety as well as your own, you cannot be with this man.

4 months is nothing and you have a history of being in abusive relationships. Get rid and get going on the freedom programme - you can break this cycle.

Garlick · 24/07/2015 01:48

I just....don't want to believe he could be some psychopath because I've known a few (for example, children's dad throttled me, convicted and was described by his probation officer as having no empathy)

Did your ex ever have the cold look in his eye, which you and many others have noticed in your fiancé?

So why didn't he flip or seem angry at all either time?

You've already answered this in your OP. His violence is premeditated.

Read this!

Please follow previous posters' advice.

Garlick · 24/07/2015 02:01

He wakes up angry, goes to sleep angry, and has to work hard to control it during the day.

he gets very visibly anxious sometimes; scratching his head or arms (not hard) and seems visibly worked up, but it passes fairly quickly

Controlling that anger?

Did the 'upset about cheese' incident happen shortly after the phone incident? Suppressed anger making him emotional?

What happens to the anger he didn't show about you assaulting him and using him to score points off your ex, do you think? Anybody should be angry about those things, shouldn't they? This is a man who has to work to control his anger. He controlled it. Hard work.

Do you think it's never going to show up? Do you think he isn't even going to resent having to control his justifiable anger at you? That gives him still more anger to store up, doesn't it.

You need to end this. Safely, with backup. And join a Freedom Programme.

spatchcock · 24/07/2015 03:16

You are insane if you let this man anywhere near your children. They don't have a choice, it's up to you to protect them..

Serenstar83 · 24/07/2015 03:47

He showed anger... He got up, said we were done, went to leave. I said I hadn't meant for the phone to hit him and stood in front of the door, he didn't try and move me but sat back done and heard me out. Then stayed and we talked it through.

That seemed like a reasonable way for him to behave, to me...

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textfan · 24/07/2015 03:56

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Garlick · 24/07/2015 04:04

Did you know that YOU behave abusively, Seren? Throwing the phone, blocking the door and using him against your ex are all abusive. No-one should "try and move you" when you block their exit, and you shouldn't try to control people's movements.

This set-up isn't normal or healthy.

TheDowagerCuntess · 24/07/2015 04:08

This entire scenario is the reason that - I'm going to say it, sorry: well-adjusted - people don't get engaged after 4 months.

Because you just do not know the person.

You're behaving rashly. This is not going to end well.

Tooooooohot · 24/07/2015 05:33

Your relationship is a mess. Do your kids a favour and walk away from him

BitOutOfPractice · 24/07/2015 06:05

What a mess.

Once again I'll say it. Why move a man (any man) into your kids' lives so quickly when you know nothing about him (and saying they knew him anyway is not a reason - they knew him as an acquaintance, not a potential step father) That's bad enough. But KEEPING him in their lives even when you know that man to be a violent thug. Well that's a whole new level of stupidity and selfishness

Then you say "but I've got to know him really well, really quickly." Well not well enough to know about his violent past eh? Not to mention that being so full on with a a relationship is in itself a massive red flag

I'm going to charitable about your behaviour and say that he doesn't bring out the best in you does he?

I wonder what the kids' dad and extended family think of this situation.

OP get rid of this man. And sort your own issues out. For once, think of what's best for your kids

Bubblesinthesummer · 24/07/2015 06:11

I have a criminal record - harassment, criminal damage, assault...all relatively minor things caused by my anxiety but it's there nonetheless and maybe if his friends knew that they might tell him to leave me.

You both sound a toxic mix. You minimise both what he and you have done in the past.

I have suffered very severe anxiety and never have I assulted or harassed anyone or caused criminal damage.

Stop excusing both of your behaviour and get help for your anger.

ForalltheSaints · 24/07/2015 07:01

I agree with the other posters who said get out now.

Cabrinha · 24/07/2015 07:47

Hi, I'm a researcher for the Jeremy Kyle show, and I wondered if you fancied a chat? Confused

You cheated on him with your ex (or your ex with him). You can't control your anger - seriously, you threw a phone at the wall? You use him to make you ex jealous. You have a history of abusive relationships but you haven't bothered to find out why and address that. You move a violent man into your children's home almost immediately - was that while you were still fucking your ex?

I feel very very sorry for your children, with their car crash of a mother.

Go and see your GP and take a first step towards sorting yourself the fuck out and becoming a good mother.

He's bad news.
You're not so great yourself. But you could work on that. Him, you can't change.

Morley19 · 24/07/2015 08:39

Please put your children first.

End this relationship immediately and work on sorting some of your own issues out. In your next relationship give it a lot longer than 4 months before you are engaged and the man has become such an important figure in your children's life.

If you value what's right for your children you will end this TODAY

Good luck x

FarFromAnyRoad · 24/07/2015 08:45

I know a guy just like this OP. Could be the same one - that's how familiar it sounds except I know it's not. He spent most of his life hurting people for money, retribution - whatever. He's in his mid 50's now and still does it - or has people that will do it for him. He also has no criminal record - if I told you why you probably wouldn't believe me. Suffice to say that criminal records can be 'hidden' from DBS requests if services are provided as barter. Sounds unbelievable right? It happens. Anyway - this guy is exceedingly charming, good looking, eloquent, well educated and always has plenty of money. There's a queue of young ladies at his door. I believe the last one was put in a body bag overnight to teach her a lesson. He thought this funny. By then she was inextricably linked to him by way of a child - just like the 8 other women by whom he has children.
The thing is - if you met him, you wouldn't guess any of this. I know him through work and he thinks we're friends - I'm much too old and fat for any other kind of interest Grin.
My point is that four months in you cannot hope to know a tenth of the truth. And you yourself are damaged - what on earth kind of future your poor children have I do not know.
That's if any of this is true. It may very well not be. Hmm

Bubblesinthesummer · 24/07/2015 08:48

I think the CRB/DBS checks are a red herring. Unless enhanced they wouldn't show spent convictions

You said you have numerous convictions and yours didn't show did they?

Notasinglefuckwasgiven · 24/07/2015 08:49

There's a girl in my town with a similar story to this Hmm
Of course HER kids have been in care awaiting adoption for a year or so now. She has a name obviously but everyone just calls her Fanny Fuckwit.

clam · 24/07/2015 09:36

"I know he would never hurt me or my children at all."

I believe the Kray twins were always very nice to their mum as well.

Serenstar83 · 24/07/2015 10:13

Yes, we both had enhanced DRB's as we work for a charity helping vulnerable people.

I realise you all think I'm crazy but the thing is, I have had bad relationships in the past and this guy feels different and has done from the off. Different to all the others (abusive and not) in the way he tests me, acts, looks after me, respects me... I have broken down crying over him having a pint of lager before (as the children's dad was violent when drunk) and the minute he saw that he comforted me, threw the lager away and said he wouldn't drink again (I had asked him to completely stop before...he doesn't drink much, a can or two one day a week but I hate alcohol). And he hasn't.

I don't know, I'm trust him. But I will give what you've said serious thought.

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MyDogAteMyBelt · 24/07/2015 10:21

So why did you post at all OP? Confused

FredaMayor · 24/07/2015 10:22

OP, the sensible thing for you to do now is to take responsibility for your actions. So far there doesn't seem much sign that you are prepared to do that. I believe you should concentrate on the welfare of your DCs and stop your dependence on dysfunctional relationships, which you may be addicted to because of your past experience. If you lose your DCs there will be no going back.

clam · 24/07/2015 10:23

Sigh. awaits depressing update in few months

MyDogAteMyBelt · 24/07/2015 10:25

Have you NC for this thread, OP?

DeckSwabber · 24/07/2015 10:25

Are you scared to end the relationship now, OP?