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Fiancé revealed something the other day...

354 replies

Serenstar83 · 23/07/2015 20:27

Hi, I really need some advice.

I've been with my partner for 4 months and we recently got engaged. It's quick, but we feel more for each other than we ever have for anyone else and just feels 'right'.

He makes me laugh, feel safe, wanted, loved, I have three children that he is great with and he is just generally a lovely guy...perfect for me I would say.

However. The other day we were chatting about something, and he revealed that years ago he had been paid to beat people up! He was very vague and refuses to discuss it in any more detail, saying it was the past and none of my business, but obviously I feel very uncomfortable with this...he can't understand why, saying everyone else he has mentioned it to has seen his point of view "eventually" - that it was just a job to him and "premeditated, I'd never go out and beat someone up after going out on the lash or anything".

He also today revealed that "I wake up angry and go to bed angry, during the day is hard work but I can control it".
I've seen a few hints of possible...mental illness maybe...? - he gets very visibly anxious sometimes; scratching his head or arms (not hard) and seems visibly worked up, but it passes fairly quickly especially if I mention it. The other day he went shopping for me and couldn't find the cheese I had asked for, came back and said he had almost burst into tears over not being able to find this cheese. He said it's very out of character for him and his head feels 'muddled' at the moment.

On occasion he seems different, a kind of cold look in his eye and he has said that people have mentioned this before. He also said that an ex paid for private counselling for him once but it didn't help at all.

What worries me is earlier I asked if he would see his GP and try to get referred to the local mental health team to get checked over if I asked him to and he said that no, he never would as he doesn't see the need. He is "fine and able to control it" and he doesn't see the point in getting checked out, even if I feel very uncomfortable with him not getting checked over.

We were sort of arguing when this last bit was brought up so maybe he might be more willing to try and see a doctor at another time, but I am really worried about this past beating people up thing, and the fact he says he gets angry when he wakes up and goes to sleep. He says he has past issues that he thinks has caused this but I know he would never hurt me or my children at all.

I feel so happy with him, and I do trust him, feel safe, all of that. But am I right to be concerned about his past or should I just get over it and move on?

OP posts:
IcecreamHavoc · 24/07/2015 20:27

Pathetic poster or weak in denial woman. Wonder which

Elfina · 24/07/2015 20:27

How old are your children, op?

eepie · 24/07/2015 20:28

Dear Jesus Christ. I agree with every poster on the first page....GET AWAY FROM THIS MAN ! You do not know him after 4 months. You do not know for certain that he is safe with kids or that he is able to control his anger. Is he able to control it in a variety of stressful situations? You can't know for sure and the answer is probably no. He will snap...and it will be you or your kids on the receiving end. Maybe not a hit or slap but a very hard grab or being screamed at. Once he's snapped once he will do it again. And you'll probably be married and trapped by then. He will start to show his true colours soon. And he is telling you/warning you what he's like. I have exp with an aggressive mentally ill ex partner...the cracks only started to show when I was already pregnant with his baby. It got worse when she was born. Yes he was 'lovely' a lot of the time and did a lot of lovely things for me but he also screamed at me, had explosive reactions to relatively normal situations, couldn't handle stress, resented me needing anything from him basically it all fell apart as he thought he was managing his mental illness but he wasn't and he wasn't getting help or taking meds or truly admitting he had an illness. So it was up and down all the time and getting more and more volatile by the month. Now I am left with my baby and very complicate situation to sort out/manage and no loving partner left. I knew him for 1 year before we had a baby and I never thought he would be violent to me but eventually he was. Every person who meets him at a dinner party or whatever would say he is the most charming, lovely guy and he is ESPECIALLY good with kids..especially other people's kids that he doesn't have to discipline or deal with the tantrums of. When our DD was crying however, he couldn't handle it or keep his cool. Please don't marry this man. PLEASE. You're kidding yourself that his is love or that you know each other well enough to get married and you are ignoring loads of red flags and putting your kids in danger and yourself.

Bubblesinthesummer · 24/07/2015 20:33

You are both violent. I wonder how much aggression your children have witnessed in their lives?

This. You are in denial about your own violence and convictions let alone his..

Elfina · 24/07/2015 20:36

How old are your children, op?

TheDowagerCuntess · 24/07/2015 20:36

Still sounds awful. But I'm not naive enough to think this kind of thing never happens...

Yes, but you don't have to have a relationship with such people, and force them into your children's lives, either. Confused

Back2Two · 24/07/2015 20:44

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forumdonkey · 24/07/2015 20:47

I'm still wondering why you are texting your ex to meet up if you are so in love with your fiance that you are engaged within 16 weeks of being together?

Is your ex the one that was violent and abusive?

How old are your DC's?

SanityClause · 24/07/2015 20:49

So he basically said that if you don't make him angry, he doesn't feel angry. That's scary, because it means he wants you to tiptoe round him, to stop him feeling angry.

Anyway, I think the GP is an excellent idea, because then your DC will be on SS's radar, if they weren't before.

Bubblesinthesummer · 24/07/2015 20:53

It is interesting that you seem to think MH team or GP may help him whilst still not acknowledging your behaviour.

annandale · 24/07/2015 20:55

Agree with the 'if I'm happy everything is ok' message.

Despairing at the thought of what you two will teach your kids. I can hope you are a troll except I know there are lives like this.

featherandblack · 24/07/2015 20:55

OP, you're being unwise but that doesn't mean you deserve to be abused on this board. You're right to take things more slowly. As someone who has tried relationships where things are stormy and there are issues, I don't recommend it. I'm concerned that you have no stability in your life, really - your children don't deserve to have such an intense relationship in their living space so soon. I also don't understand how you can have the space in your life to devote to a new man so suddenly. What about friends and other interests? Someone who has intense bursts of rage, big violent rows, sudden relationships, not much to say about what's best for their children - you are the last person who should be proposing after four months and I say that as someone who is very far from perfect.

UncertainSmile · 24/07/2015 21:00

And in ten or fifteen years time, your poor kids will be posting on the equivalent of MN about all this shit they've witnessed, and asking how on earth can they get over it.
You owe it to those kids to sort yourself out, and find the strength to get rid of this twat.

Lweji · 24/07/2015 21:01

How is pointing out that someone is violent and abusive, abusing them?

Lweji · 24/07/2015 21:05

if me and him are getting on then he has no anger or stress at all.

And passing on the responsibility firmly onto you. So, if he gets angry and punches you, it will be all your fault.

Why are you still insisting on being with this man?

Sort out your own anxiety and violence issues, then consider entering a relationship, preferably one that does not include such drama.

You do sound very naive. Unless you do want to excuse your own current behaviour and background.

Neednewflowers · 24/07/2015 21:06

Hmm.

I think the OP has been watching a few to many Jezza Kyle's.

MamaMotherMummy · 24/07/2015 21:19

I've personally been violent, both towards former partners and other people. It was possible to heal but only after a good deal of working on myself and realizing that I deserved a happy, peaceful, constructive life free of violence and the shadows of my past. I had to work on my spirituality and self-esteem, by myself, to create the life I wanted.

Downtheroadfirstonleft · 24/07/2015 21:26

Isn't there a Jason Statham film with a v similar plot to this (he lives on the streets, attacks people for money, has a girl and kid somewhere)?

UncertainSmile · 24/07/2015 21:34

Isn't there a Jason Statham film with a v similar plot to this (he lives on the streets, attacks people for money, has a girl and kid somewhere)?

You've sat through a whole Statham film? I take my hat off to you.

Wideopenspace · 24/07/2015 21:36

I think that is the plot of every JS film.

I mean, so I've been told Blush

BanditoShipman · 24/07/2015 22:14

As the op is the one with the criminal convictions and is also the one who has caused the partner physical harm, perhaps her dc would be better off living with him rather than her Hmm

Grow up and put your children first you idiot.

clam · 24/07/2015 22:36

So, it's been minimised to "only" 2 or 3 punches? Think for a moment about the actual scenario of how that went down. Your OH arriving at the house. The talk, the threat, the fear, the actual punches. What words did your OH use? What expression was on his face as he punched these people? What did he say as he left? As it wasn't his argument to have, he wouldn't have been caught up in the emotions of anger. It was deliberate and premeditated.

And you're happy to have this guy around your children?

SpottyPony · 24/07/2015 22:37

The beating people up thing, he's 49. He said he did it in his late teens early twenties, before he got into security.

You said this yesterday, however your most recent post states:

I asked him to explain the past stuff and he said...it came about around ten years ago from a conversation in the pub.

Hmm
MyDogAteMyBelt · 24/07/2015 22:43

Good catch, Spotty.

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