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New romance with boyfriend gone very wrong;-(( help please

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KatieMaddocks · 23/07/2015 16:59

Hi all,
Something I would like to share and get your help on, it was hard to write this out so please do not be unkind.
I met a guy online and our courtship and romance started off quite fast, he did all the planning, pursuing, courting and reaching out to me as well as calling, texting and making sure we have plans. we've been seeing each other for almost 3 months now, twice a week (Wednesday evening for a date in town) and on Saturday when we spend the whole day together and I stay over at his house.

We enjoy each other's company but have delved into conversations about children, family, marriage as I am 35 and had been married (no kids) before, he is 44, never married/no kids. I have voiced a desire to have a family soon with the right person, he said he wants the same. He has said he does not believe in marriage - parents divorced when he was 10 - and that he can have kids and 'then see if marriage can be on the cards'.

I am not entirely happy with it as it means he has 100% commitment from me and no recognition on paper/formally. He does say he loves me, he said it first and pursued me, but now calls less and rarely texts, also we met on Wednesday after a great weekend and he said that he was going on a finance course the next day and wanted us to finish early. I asked him if he wanted to meet at all, as he seemed distracted, a little aloof/cold and did not compliment me on my dress, looks - which he rarely does anyway, less to nothing now - and was not in a hugging/affectionate mood. I told him in a bar that I would love to see his affection and emotions and that I really like if we're tender with each other. He told me he has come out to meet only because I 'would give him grief if we didn't meet on Wednesday' and that I 'always pick an argument'.
I feel I cannot discuss the affection issue with him, he closes off and sees it as me nagging him. It felt like I was an old wife he got bored of and we're only dating 3 months!

Needless to say, I was upset, he saw me off home, did not get out of the car to say goodbye and walk me to my house. I invited him in, he declined. He wanted a kiss, I briefly kissed him and jumped out of his fancy car. He was angry I did not properly kiss him and I ended up saying why don't you come up for 5 mins? Big mistake. We ended up having sex which was mediocre (unlike before), he left and said 'cheers' on his way out....!!! Then returned realising it's wrong and just to almost tick the box said 'love ya'.

I feel like he has intimacy issues and does see me as wife/GF material but is not in love with me. He cannot say it to me face to face, plus if I bring up affection, hugs and kisses or calling during the week he gets angry and defensive. I do not know what to do and feel awful as it feels like he lost interest after hunting a beautiful girl down (he told me he was very proud a beautiful girl like me went out with him).

I feel broken hearted, upset and not loved/respected because of his recent treatment and how he talks to me on a daily basis (no compliments, cute words, no feelings.)

I played by the rules, did not pursue him, did never call him, rarely returned calls. What happened and is there a future here? Am I blind and need to move on if he does not appreciate me?

Another fact is that I am a high earner compared to him 9 years younger and have a really good job/lifestyle which he does not have to the same extent. Being a macho and a red-blooded male male, it does bother him I think. Nothing I can do about it, but thought it's important to point out. I love him the way he is, and my only criticism is absence of emotions/affection/hugs and compliments, as I am a fairly good looking girl who is used to swim in men's attention and adoration.

He does also routinely swear at waiters, people in cars and sometimes me - he has called me a 'dick' when I unbuttoned his shirt's top button, 'an arsehole', and told me 'not to behave like a bitch'. I find this really shocking as my mum and dad never speak like this, but he says it is okay and he is not meaning anything nasty by it.

What is your advice on this for the future? It was hard writing this and I really would like your point of view. I love him but not sure how/if this can work which fills me with fear and sadness.

OP posts:
WhatALoadOfOldBollocks · 25/07/2015 17:57

"As he said, jokingly, you must be over the hill and dried up inside"

Oooh he's a prize that just keeps giving isn't heAngry. Seriously Katie, it may hurt now but believe us you've dodged a bullet. He sounds worse than most of the utter wankers I've dated over the years...they were numerous, I made many mistakes, and unfortunately I didn't have the benefit of MN wisdom behind me. In my experience 3 months is the time when the first flush of heady enthusiasm goes and was when many of my "relationships" ended usually in tears. Fortunately for you we are here to help you deal with it, so be kind to yourself, and try and distract yourself until the worst of this has passed. Flowers

I second spending lots of time on the Relationship forum reading other people's tales of fuckwittery, and get as "professional" in your dating as you are at work. Keep your emotions a bit more guarded in the early weeks of dating so you don't become overinvested, because there are wolves in sheep's clothing out there.

KatieMaddocks · 25/07/2015 18:23

No, it was an accident. And then he kept making jokes about 'fertilisation' process and also that I am prob not as am over the hill/dried up. I know it is a joke but it is not kind. I felt like I was humiliated. Really, he talks about anyone/anything in this way, waiters, me, car drivers, women on the street who are 40 plus, overweight people, Jews, Arabs, Russians etc. so I kinda got used to this manner. Wrong wrong wrong. So, why do I feel like shit?

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WhatALoadOfOldBollocks · 25/07/2015 18:27

"So, why do I feel like shit?"

Maybe because when you are so desperate to find Mr Right you will fantasise about any man you date and dream of what may be with them. You'll then ignore all the red flags because they interfere with those dreams, and you also confuse love with infatuation and "fall in love" way too fast. When they behave so badly you actually can't ignore their shit it shatters your dreams.

FantasticButtocks · 25/07/2015 18:31

Maybe because you've been wasting your time with him? But it is ok to feel bad for a while, it won't last forever. Time will pass. You'll do some other stuff and see friends etc and you'll soon feel better. Better to realise all this about him now, than to keep on going and feel even more heartbroken having invested more and lost more. Thanks

Hannahouse · 25/07/2015 18:42

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Toohotcats · 25/07/2015 18:57

This is one of the funniest things I've read on MN.
Can't you get a job to occupy yourself during the summer hols? :-D

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep · 25/07/2015 19:02
Hmm
MyChildDoesntNeedSleep · 25/07/2015 19:02

What about disabled people? You missed that off the list.

HPsauciness · 25/07/2015 19:04

It's almost like he's a composite of everything MNetters hate in a man!

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep · 25/07/2015 19:09

I bet he insists on eating crap ham, not the naice stuff!

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep · 25/07/2015 19:10

Does he, OP? Because I'm leaving the thread if you didn't LTB after that!

MyDogAteMyBelt · 25/07/2015 19:12

Grin crap ham!

I'm waiting for OP to tell us his name is Brian, and he's from Hull.

daisychain01 · 25/07/2015 19:15

OP if you feel people are being harsh on here, it's because you have (seemingly) everything going for you, and don't mind wasting more than one precious second of your life on a git. What's the point of people saying "there there, never mind" - calling a spade a spade is sometimes the only way.

Everything you have posted - including the recent winning comment about this ghastly individual (I mean who, in their right mind, calls a woman 'dried up' - REALLY???) - says they are not worthy of you feeling anything other than massive relief that you've dodged a bullet.

I wonder what he's doing today ... probably not giving a shiny turd about you.

KatieMaddocks · 25/07/2015 19:34

Not sure about ham?;-) he is a son of an Irish farmer. Parents divorced. He like good food as he looks after his gorgeousness....

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KatieMaddocks · 25/07/2015 19:39

Just did 10k walk. Shattered. Picked up my sunglasses repair. Cooked a steak and salad dinner with red wine. Hugging a cat. It doesn't feel quite the same. I was aline for a while and his hugs and passion blew me away. Feel like shit, truly.

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KatieMaddocks · 25/07/2015 19:44

You know, someone here talked of fun vs boredom/respect. Like Samantha Jones said in Sex n the City, there are guys who fuck you and the guys who hold you hand.

He was the former.

Why can't it ever be two in one??? All other dates are boring, not sexy and not interesting.

OP posts:
ArseForElbow · 25/07/2015 19:45
Hmm
DepthFirstSearch · 25/07/2015 19:46

I could have written this thread some years ago. Luckily, the bastard dumped me and got engaged to someone else a few weeks later. I was so heart broken i swore off men and accepted id never marry or have children. And because i wasnt looking, a good man had the chance to become my friend, show me how easit it could al be, date without drama...and he is now my husband Grin

ArseForElbow · 25/07/2015 19:46

He sounds delightful....

ChilliAndMint · 25/07/2015 20:18

OP, you are either a "wind up merchant" or a bit " touched", I suspect both are correct.

Naïve women don't broadcast to the world and his wife that they gave BJ's to a complete nincompoop and suspected they might have a smelly Mary...

Your phrasing sounds contrived..you are by no means thick but I suspect you are really not Katie Maddocks, but rather a worshipper of someone of that name or a socially inept teenager , perhaps even a man who gets there kicks living vicariously through others.

NMHQ you are welcome to reprimand me for saying this but it's a case of sticks and stones and all that.

The majority of people on here want advice, impartial advice to help them deal with the stresses and strains of real life.To be able to share their lives ups and downs with those not directly involved in their current situation ... not unlike a form of counselling.

I feel sorry for people who think you are a genuine poster because my gut instinct tells me you are anything but.

KatieMaddocks · 25/07/2015 20:25

Chilliand mint, so do I seek advice and help. What is wrong with you constantly saying mean things?????
Pleave me alone and don't post here if you think it's fake!!!

I don't get you. Is chllimint your real name? I suspect not. Mine is a nickname. I offered you to talk to me on the phone, you refused. So now please leave me in peace with your ungrounded weird suspicions!!!!

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WhatALoadOfOldBollocks · 25/07/2015 20:29

"Why can't it ever be two in one??? All other dates are boring, not sexy and not interesting."

Katie, it sounds like if it's not full of drama and fireworks you're not interested. Besides, it can be both if you hone your twat radar.

My BF is respectful, funny, really attractive, very affectionate and I like how he treats me sexually. He gives me compliments about my appearance and achievements regularly. He has not once made me feel used, has never said anything unkind about me (even in jest...I never tolerate unkindness even as a "joke" anyway), doesn't get angry, doesn't get road rage, doesn't drink too much, etc. This is what a healthy relationship looks like, but you wouldn't like him because he doesn't say "I love you" even though he makes it obvious when he's feeling it and does say a certain phrase that seems to be his version of ILY and he doesn't text all the time thank god. It feels easy, which is a good opportunity to mention my fave MN quote:
"love is like a fart...if you have to force it it's probably shit" Grin

Gabilan · 25/07/2015 20:33

There was a thread a couple of months back. The OP claimed to be having an emotional affair with a neighbour. She said she lived in a small town/ village, her husband was isolating her, no-one liked her except this one man she used to "bump into" in the local park when they were out with their DC.

MNHQ deleted that one. Something about the phrasing of this and some of the content is similar. Woman claiming English is not her first language but she is talented, multi-lingual, involved with someone who is either abusive or in fact being taken advantage of.

Oh well. Just LTB.

Custardmiteofglut · 25/07/2015 20:33

Its a tad lone female cliché bingo for me, so I'm going to step away from this thread. Good luck Katie. Hope the summer holidays treat you well.

bumblingbovine49 · 25/07/2015 20:37

LISTEN to what he is telling you. His language, words and behaviour all tell you he will be a poor life partner for you. A good relationship will make you feel better about yourself not worse. You are definitely not describing a good relationship. You have only been going out a few months, this is the time to get out, not in a couple of years when you have children.

Find someone who RESPECTS women, that will go a very long way once you start having children believe me.

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