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New romance with boyfriend gone very wrong;-(( help please

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KatieMaddocks · 23/07/2015 16:59

Hi all,
Something I would like to share and get your help on, it was hard to write this out so please do not be unkind.
I met a guy online and our courtship and romance started off quite fast, he did all the planning, pursuing, courting and reaching out to me as well as calling, texting and making sure we have plans. we've been seeing each other for almost 3 months now, twice a week (Wednesday evening for a date in town) and on Saturday when we spend the whole day together and I stay over at his house.

We enjoy each other's company but have delved into conversations about children, family, marriage as I am 35 and had been married (no kids) before, he is 44, never married/no kids. I have voiced a desire to have a family soon with the right person, he said he wants the same. He has said he does not believe in marriage - parents divorced when he was 10 - and that he can have kids and 'then see if marriage can be on the cards'.

I am not entirely happy with it as it means he has 100% commitment from me and no recognition on paper/formally. He does say he loves me, he said it first and pursued me, but now calls less and rarely texts, also we met on Wednesday after a great weekend and he said that he was going on a finance course the next day and wanted us to finish early. I asked him if he wanted to meet at all, as he seemed distracted, a little aloof/cold and did not compliment me on my dress, looks - which he rarely does anyway, less to nothing now - and was not in a hugging/affectionate mood. I told him in a bar that I would love to see his affection and emotions and that I really like if we're tender with each other. He told me he has come out to meet only because I 'would give him grief if we didn't meet on Wednesday' and that I 'always pick an argument'.
I feel I cannot discuss the affection issue with him, he closes off and sees it as me nagging him. It felt like I was an old wife he got bored of and we're only dating 3 months!

Needless to say, I was upset, he saw me off home, did not get out of the car to say goodbye and walk me to my house. I invited him in, he declined. He wanted a kiss, I briefly kissed him and jumped out of his fancy car. He was angry I did not properly kiss him and I ended up saying why don't you come up for 5 mins? Big mistake. We ended up having sex which was mediocre (unlike before), he left and said 'cheers' on his way out....!!! Then returned realising it's wrong and just to almost tick the box said 'love ya'.

I feel like he has intimacy issues and does see me as wife/GF material but is not in love with me. He cannot say it to me face to face, plus if I bring up affection, hugs and kisses or calling during the week he gets angry and defensive. I do not know what to do and feel awful as it feels like he lost interest after hunting a beautiful girl down (he told me he was very proud a beautiful girl like me went out with him).

I feel broken hearted, upset and not loved/respected because of his recent treatment and how he talks to me on a daily basis (no compliments, cute words, no feelings.)

I played by the rules, did not pursue him, did never call him, rarely returned calls. What happened and is there a future here? Am I blind and need to move on if he does not appreciate me?

Another fact is that I am a high earner compared to him 9 years younger and have a really good job/lifestyle which he does not have to the same extent. Being a macho and a red-blooded male male, it does bother him I think. Nothing I can do about it, but thought it's important to point out. I love him the way he is, and my only criticism is absence of emotions/affection/hugs and compliments, as I am a fairly good looking girl who is used to swim in men's attention and adoration.

He does also routinely swear at waiters, people in cars and sometimes me - he has called me a 'dick' when I unbuttoned his shirt's top button, 'an arsehole', and told me 'not to behave like a bitch'. I find this really shocking as my mum and dad never speak like this, but he says it is okay and he is not meaning anything nasty by it.

What is your advice on this for the future? It was hard writing this and I really would like your point of view. I love him but not sure how/if this can work which fills me with fear and sadness.

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KatieMaddocks · 25/07/2015 13:39

I say what I want, sorry. It is my right and business. It is upsetting for me and I don't need more knocking from anyone...

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ChilliAndMint · 25/07/2015 14:03

What do you want then ?, 'cause I'm not sure you even are for real.

KatieMaddocks · 25/07/2015 14:15

Hi, nothing, to talk and to be heard. Feel very low. If you're not sure it';s real nothing i can do.

Feel like it's going to be forever, not finding anyone and being lonely. Feel like crap today…;-(( cannot make myself do anything. Wollowing a bit.

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balloongoespop · 25/07/2015 14:20

A day of wallowing is fine. But tomorrow you dust yourself off and start being positive about the future. Find ways to cheer yourself up and make your self happy.

Remember this guy was never going to make you happy, he was making you miserable.

now I'm going to stop reading this thread cos I am overinvested in it

BillyDaveysDaughter · 25/07/2015 14:27

You have been heard - maybe some don't believe, but oh well. I'd rather be kind and risk learning later that it was wasted, than be unkind at all.

Love happens when you're busy doing something else - invest in you, stop looking for a man! He'll show up when you aren't looking, honestly. Wallow today if you must, but tomorrow get up and get on with your very successful life. It'll hurt for a bit but not long, it'll pass and you'll wonder what the hell THAT was all about... Wink

KatieMaddocks · 25/07/2015 14:35

Yes I know. I feel like I left baby issue too late and now it's all compounded and worse....like there's nothing good ahead of me.,,,
And I don't even care if I have stuff if I don't have someone to share it with. I knew I'd feel like crap on Sat....so there you go. Feel like crying all day

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KatieMaddocks · 25/07/2015 14:36

If you don't believe I am for real I can give you my number and we can talk, Chilli.

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ChilliAndMint · 25/07/2015 14:41

Now you are being silly..it is an expression, " Are you for real?" I refer to your overreaction to dating a < vile> man you saw aprrox 8 times!

HPsauciness · 25/07/2015 15:12

I believe you as you are doing exactly what my poor friend used to do, get totally overinvested, start to imagine a happy ever after, whilst ignoring huge red flags flapping in the wind in her desperation to be loved and to have a baby. She would then ring up crying, upset, distressed for days that the latest brief thing had fallen through, when in reality they didn't even have anything approaching a long-term relationship. She fell hard, too fast and lost judgement, as you have done here.

What you have to realise is that if you have a baby and attempt to set up a happy home with this type of guy, the reality will be anything but happy.

You have to harden your heart a bit and stop giving it away to complete losers for a few kind words, puppy dog eyes and the odd hug.

SolidGoldBrass · 25/07/2015 15:32

FFS you silly girl, what you need is a good six months of no dating, sex or men, while you get yourself a good dose of therapy mixed with feminism.
Otherwise you are just going to do this again and again. No man is worth making yourself miserable for, and if it's parenthood you are really desperate for then have a good hard thing about sperm donors/adoption/fostering.
Because right now, flailing around in desperation, you are offputting to nice men and a magnet for losers and abusers.

rouxlebandit · 25/07/2015 15:42

".....you are offputting to nice men and a magnet for losers and abusers."
Very insightful, Solid.

GrannyWW · 25/07/2015 15:47

As above - go on the feminist boards for a few months - read the relationship board. - try to become as 'professional' in your understanding of real life relationships as you are in your real life profession.

Anniegetyourgun · 25/07/2015 16:13

You're probably right about him putting you down because he doesn't feel all that confident in himself, Katie. Trouble is though, understanding it doesn't mean you can fix it and it would continue to cause problems. Of course you miss the good bits but there is so much more to a long-term relationship than just the good bits. Anyway it looks like the good bits were tailing off already. He did what he had to do, say what he had to say to get you hooked, then he didn't have to try so hard. That's not how it works when you genuinely care about someone.

KatieMaddocks · 25/07/2015 16:20

I know. All fake. His words. Art exhibitions - he hates art and doesn't get it!! Fake feelings. Fake I love yous. Fake future plans.

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NotaDinosaur · 25/07/2015 16:29

Have you taken a pregnancy test yet Katie?

KatieMaddocks · 25/07/2015 16:34

Yes, negative. I knew it would be. As he said, jokingly, you must be over the hill and dried up inside....nice

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KatieMaddocks · 25/07/2015 16:40

It is day 29 so maybe it didnt accurately test hcg levels. I am 99.5% sure it is negative as this was done outside the fertile days 'window'

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MyChildDoesntNeedSleep · 25/07/2015 16:52

Wow, he's said a lot of nasty things to you in such a short time.

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep · 25/07/2015 16:52

Why did he say that last comment to you?

Anniegetyourgun · 25/07/2015 17:03

As he said, jokingly, you must be over the hill and dried up inside....nice

Good lord. Jokingly, eh? You will be so much better off without this... this... you don't like swearing, so let's just say this Not Very Nice Person.

FantasticButtocks · 25/07/2015 17:09

Were you trying to have a baby together?

The 'dried up inside' comment is a deeply unpleasant and cruel thing to say; I don't even know how someone can say those words 'jokingly' Confused

aeon456 · 25/07/2015 17:13

You end up with what you will tolerate, so if you want to tolerate a rude idiot like this man/boy, that is your choice. In my experience the more lively, exciting type of person often comes with a cruel, disrespectful edge so life is all about making a choice - excitement and rudeness or boredom and respect.

Granville72 · 25/07/2015 17:13

You've been seeing a guy for 3 months and only twice a week at that. Hardly serious stuff is it, especially from his point of view? Maybe you've been suckered in and been taken for a fool, but seriously, get some self respect and don't give this chap any more of your time.

Have a good wallow today, then pick yourself up, enjoy some quality time on yourself, stop worrying about being single and over the hill. You're only 35 for gods sake.

There are a lot of people in a much worse off situation than you. Sounds like you've had a lucky escape, rejoice it, don't mourn it.

LeoandBoosmum · 25/07/2015 17:44

I say this to be kind: GET A GRIP! Your reaction (considering you have seen so little of this guy over such a short period of time) is OTT. I might understand your reaction if you'd spent 3 months solid with a man who'd treated you wonderfully then cooled towards you out of the blue...
Your exaggerated reaction over this situation is indicative of issues that run a lot deeper.
Unless you want to be a doormat, finish with this lowlife, thankful for the fact that you aren't pregnant to him! What I really want to say is: get some perspective here, get rid and move on!

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep · 25/07/2015 17:53

I'm just shocked that he's said so many nasty things in so short a space of time, and your twatometer didn't go off. Quite the opposite... your OP is you angsting over whether he's marriage material/sees you as marriage material! Shock