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Cocklodger or AIBU?!

369 replies

Mugonhead · 21/07/2015 22:48

Hi all
I've name changed for this. really could use some advice as I feel like I'm in a potentially bad situation but for some reason sort of embarrassed to talk about it in RL.

Basically it's about my dp of one year. He is in the forces and works about an hour from where I live right now (though this could change depending on his next posting this time next year.) He comes to stay at my flat every weekend religiously and often takes extra leave days which he will invariably spend at mine. I live in London and I think he misses the London lifestyle from before joining up (in his mid twenties) and definitely would rather spend any free time in London than in his posting which is in the middle of nowhere really. I love him and I miss him during the week - but something has begun to niggle at me about this since I read about cocklodgers on MN! He's a lovely guy on the face of it all, but can be manipulative of people- one of his exes still doesn't know he cheated on her for 3 months. I should say I have rubbish judgement having been in an awful EA relationship before him. So while this is long, please please bear with me and help if you can!

Basically I know he's a tight person- since we started dating he didn't really do the paying for stuff/grand gesture type thing. We have pretty much always split 50/50 and he has even had sort of rants about how much he hates women who expect the guy to pay for everything and he would never do that even on like a first date. Ok, I'm an independent woman and I don't expect the guy to pay, but looking back at that it seems a bit of a red flag. He constantly says he is broke towards the end of the month, but I know he pays about £150pcm for his room on base, and he doesn't have other big overheads except the train fare to see me at weekends which with his forces discount is not much at all. For me, I rent a typically expensive london flat by myself and also have a child whose dad doesn't pay child support (another story!) so I shoulder those costs and while I have always earned under the national average and don't have a lot of disposable income, I make ends meet. My dc and I are currently living on rapidly dwindling small savings as I was made redundant a couple of months ago, though starting a new job next month which pays the same as my old salary. And yet we are still splitting stuff 50/50 when my dp is round at weekends (everything including stuff we cook at my home though he buys me the occasional fast food) and he has never offered to pay anything towards my rent or bills despite basically living at mine when he is not at work (I realised this when I saw my address was set as "Home" on his google maps!) I asked him if he would contribute even a small bit towards my rent knowing how tiny his rent on camp is and the fact that he earns more than I ever hAve anyway. He did not like the idea and said he already has his own place (on camp) and that he only comes because he wants to see me, which is nice but it feels like he's making me feel like I should feel privileged for his company when actually it's like I've got a live in dp (especially on weeks when he has extra leave and is around for 3,4,5 days.) None of this has changed even in the period I have been out of work even though he has seen me stressed about money. Everytime I talk about money worries he starts going on about his own money stresses but I just don't get how he can have any! He always says he's spent his entire pay cheque by the end of the month which if true is impressive because even earning less than him, with a dc to singlehandedly support and a big rent and bills, I was always able to put a little bit away at the end of month.

I think he does have very expensive tastes- he thinks nothing of £40 on a tshirt, hates h&m, primark which I live in, and only likes designer. He often seems to spend about £50 on drinks when he goes out in London to meet friends (which he has done a few times while ostensibly staying At mine for the weekend, I can't usually go because of dc, but it has sometimes made me feel like a free london hotel!) he proposes we go for meals/cinema but I always feel I have to pay half as he doesn't usually say he will pay for it. I have unsurprisingly found this financially very tricky while not in work! The one time I ever griped that I didn't like him going out all night then for a brunch the next morning without even inviting me, thus seeing london friends and doing london stuff while staying in my flat, he got angry and accused me of not appreciating him coming to see me. But if it wasn't for me he couldn't live his very cherished london lifestyle iyswim? To be honest, I might not mind if he even paid anything towards my flat as he treats it like his second home and over Xmas for example he would expect to be there... Or if he took care of groceries, wine or something at weekends. Anything to make it feel a bit more fair! But I feel grumpy that he's pleading poverty when he's on a good salary, he expects 50/50 when Im not on regular income and am paying for his weekend retreat constantly, and that he can be so irresponsible in the face of it eg. Buying a "spare" phone charger at £50 for no real reason, buying a £350 coat because it was in the "sale" at selfridges, buying hair products at £18 a pop. Does he think I'm stupid?

Sorry that was so long but I just am sick of worrying about money, I don't see this changing as he has the constant excuse that he's the one making the effort to come see me and yet he doesn't see my at (where he keeps increasingly more of his stuff, comes to every weekend even if I'm thinking of making other plans with skmekne else once in a while (he sulks), and even had a key cut for "in case of emergency".) I feel like I may be being taken for a mug. I would like us to commit to a more joint financial relationship. Or is he just a cocklodger?!

Argh please help wise mumsnetters! I've been turning this over in my mind and I don't know what to do!

OP posts:
Mugonhead · 23/07/2015 16:09

Also to anyone who thinks I put my needs before my dd- I am so conscious of wanting to bring her up the right way. My mum is a totally abusive in every way to everyone close to her, narcissist (she financially and emotionally abused my dad and stepdad, controlled us kids through fear and has absolutely no morals.) since breaking up with dd dad when I hit rock bottom I true to start doing work on myself to get rid of my major emotional problems and stop being an easy target for abuse. In some ways I am more educated an enlightened but then I just ended up with another abuser- this now-"d"p. I'm not putting my desire to be with a man over my daughter. Not anymore anyway. But in scared because I've always had crippling bouts of depression and anxiety around breakup and I'm so scared of not being able to cope with that when I'm alone. And how she will be affected, if she will grow up thinking her mum is a depressed loser, and end up like me. God I feel so bad for how I have ended up and I just want her to grow up emotionally healthy. Recognising that I CANNOT go on like this with these types of men is my first step. I think I need to be single a good while, do the things you guys hve said like the freedom programme and stuff before dating. Please don't think I don't care about my dd feelings, I'm so scared of her having the emotional scars I do.

OP posts:
Twinklestein · 23/07/2015 16:42

If you can cope with this man you can cope with anything. There's nothing he's doing that's making your life easier to cope with, he's not being supportive in any way. So if you split you've lost nothing. All he's doing is adding stress, and you may well find that without him you actually feel a lot better.

You don't have to deal with his anger over you ending things. As pps have said, you change the locks, then text or email him to tell him it's over and you don't want him to contact you again. And then you block him on email, phone and social media.

You never have to speak to him again, you never have to deal with him again. If he ever turns up at your door you either don't answer it or you ask him to leave. If he refuses you tell him you'll call the police. That's it, job done.

Oh and accusing you of being abusive is a classic abuser's trick.

OTheHugeManatee · 23/07/2015 16:49

No-one is saying you don't care about your daughter, OP. You sound like a loving and committed mum to me.

Also if your mum was a narcissistic bully I can see how easy it would be to over-compensate and be afraid to be assertive at all in case you're turning into her. I can also see how a selfish and manipulative man could prey on those fears to stop you ever challenging his nasty behaviour.

Seriously. Change the locks, ditch his stingy and abusive ass, then you can worry about working on yourself.

penny13610 · 23/07/2015 16:57

FFS Mugon send this man a very clear text message that you do not want to see him this weekend.
Change the locks.
See your friend tomorrow.
See another friend on Saturday and another one on Sunday.
Take back your life.
Nobody wants to see you turn up on here over the weekend saying that he is now physically abusive towards you.
You can dump him properly next week, when you are feeling a bit stronger.

Atenco · 23/07/2015 17:03

You can do it, girl. Go for it.

DayLillie · 23/07/2015 17:04

Mugonhead - it is not a bad thing to break up. It is stressful thinking about it, but sometimes, when a relationship has run its course it is the right thing to do. You have come out of the honeymoon period and the relationship is not growing.

It is important for you to have the space to move on. Be kind to yourself, be kind to your daughter - she is your special person. Do some nice things for yourselves together. Build on what you have achieved - it is good and quite impressive. You will be happier.

FriendofBill · 23/07/2015 17:16

Don't bother putting it in a letter.
He doesn't care about why or your feelings or any of that, he just wants his own way and if you are not doing what he wants he will throw the toys out of the pram.
Be prepared for this.
Every contact you have will fuel it.
You need to end it, tell him simply 'it's not working for me, Please do not contact me again', block him, and move on.
I would also contact the local police and tell them what is going on (he is agressive, you are concerned over how he will take it) so that they know to get there asap and what it's about should he turn up.

Change the locks.

Start creating the life you love. You do this by getting rid of anything that does not make you happy.
It's that simple.

FeckTheMagicDragon · 23/07/2015 17:22

OP just send him a text saying 'No that doesn't work for me. My home is not a hotel. I don't want to see you this weekend.'
Or just 'I don't want to see you again'
Like ripping a plaster off - do it quick and don't think too much about it before hand.

LovelyFriend · 23/07/2015 17:22

anyone who gets angry when you question them, try to discuss stuff with them needs to be dumped very quickly.

OP you are well rid of this guy and I pity his next victim.

Destinysdaughter · 23/07/2015 17:34

'No that doesn't work for me. My home is not a hotel. I don't want to see you this weekend.'

^
This

He will be outraged and you will see his true colours...

Whatsforsupper · 23/07/2015 17:46

Like previous posters I suspect he will become quite verbally abusive when you decide to end this. I would end it via a simple text along the lines of 'this is no longer working for me I don't want to see you again'.
There is No point in having any further engagement with a guy like him. I would send the Text and block him.

Well done for putting you and your dd first you deserve so much more.

Whatsforsupper · 23/07/2015 17:51

Oh. I saw he is due up tonight or tomorrow. You need to put a stop to his plan to visit you don't need the hassle of dealing with someone like him in person.

Without sounding like a broken record Id do it via Text. It will be interesting to see his responses. But, if he's abusive, keep the texts ,contact your local police dept explaining what he's said.

MoseShrute · 23/07/2015 17:56

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pinkyredrose · 23/07/2015 17:56

Yes text what Destinys said, it's perfect.

Twinklestein · 23/07/2015 18:07

No don't text him to see his true colours you've seen more than enough as it is.

Just tell him it's over and block him on everything, otherwise he will engage you in a long aggressive argument, will exhaust and distress you.

He won't want to lose his London lodgings, he won't give up without a fight and he will end up being an utter bastard to you.

Don't let him have any access to you at all.

Tiptops · 23/07/2015 18:07

Mugon sending you courage although you really don't need it, you're more than capable. Really, you are.

He is definitely a cocklodger and you and your DC will definitely be better off without him.

acatcalledjohn · 23/07/2015 18:33

OP: Get a screwdriver, some measuring tape, and measure out a new lock using . It's very simple and a new lock barrel will only cost you about a tenner from Homebase, B&Q, Wickes, Screwfix... Any hardware shop really.

Once you've done that, end the relationship. You deserve much better!

CalmYourselfTubbs · 23/07/2015 18:40

you know the answer already OP.
please kick this cocklodger out and move on.

MyRightFoot · 23/07/2015 18:43

please dump him by text so you have proof for any future dafeguarding issues. if he were to harass you, you csn show thr txt to police as proof that you ended it. by all means tell him youre ending it if it makes you feel better but i suspect hes going to try and talk you round. sadly a high amount of army men are abusive im afraid.

achieve15 · 23/07/2015 18:44

OP, I think you should follow the advice of OTheHugeManatee. (side note - I also think a cartoon called that would be great fun).

I would say to tell him it's over and not explain. It might seem harsh but I just think he will have a comeback for everything - a rubbish comeback sure, but why engage? Tell him you want to be single and he can't argue with that. Tell him you want to be who you are, unfettered, for a long long time. There is no answer to that. He might try telling you you'll be unhappy but that's just sour grapes.

I would change the locks too.

and btw I highly and genuinely recommend singledom! It's so underrated.

KetchupIsNearlyAVegetable · 23/07/2015 18:45

But in scared because I've always had crippling bouts of depression and anxiety around breakup and I'm so scared of not being able to cope with that when I'm alone. And how she will be affected

You are not going to live happily ever after with this cocklodger so you'll have to go through a breakup eventually. Get it over with, rip off that festering plaster.

Show your DD how you stand up to a cocklodger. She'll be proud of you. She'll learn a good life skill from you.

Inertia · 23/07/2015 18:49

Sweetheart, if you did break up with him would you really be any more alone than you are now?

He doesn't contact you during the week, and gets angry if you make contact.

He uses your home for sex, sleep and food and spends most weekends out with his mates, not with you.

He is actively sabotaging your friendships, so that your support network is reduced.

If he wasn't on the scene at least you'd be allowed to spend time with friends and family, rather than sitting indoors waiting for him to roll in.

Truly, you deserve better than someone who sees you as a convenient dosshouse with benefits.

Cheesecake1980 · 23/07/2015 18:49

Mugon
I think you are unbelievably strong after everything you have gone through.
You have realised that there is a problem with this relationship and taken everyone's advice on board. Some people get defensive of their relationships when faced with the cold hard truth.
You haven't, which makes me think that you are definitely ready to end this.
You are doing so well, do not let this man ruin your and your DD future happiness.
End it today & spend the weekend being as busy as you can.
Do not dwell in it. You will meet someone who treats you with the respect you deserve.
Good luck Flowers

achieve15 · 23/07/2015 18:52

OP - I also have bouts of crippling anxiety and depression. A horrible partner will make that worse, not better.

have you got friends who will help you when you are overwhelmed?

pictish · 23/07/2015 19:10

I agree with Twinklestein

Just tell him it's over and block him on everything, otherwise he will engage you in a long aggressive argument, will exhaust and distress you.

This will occur. He will verbally and emotionally batter you until you are wrecked by exhaustion, misery and self doubt. Don't even go there.

He won't want to lose his London lodgings, he won't give up without a fight and he will end up being an utter bastard to you.

This is the truth. He is a thoroughly unapologetic advantage taker and his set up with you is very convenient for him. He won't want to give it up without trying his damnedest to keep the status quo exactly as it is. He will be furious at having his cushy number threatened and he will be aggressive and nasty to you in the process. Don't even go there.

Don't let him have any access to you at all.

Great advice. He will seize upon any contact with you as an opportunity to bully you into being the landlady of the free hotel (with benefits) again. He may even profess undying love and cry. Don't even go there. The cake is a lie.

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