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Cocklodger or AIBU?!

369 replies

Mugonhead · 21/07/2015 22:48

Hi all
I've name changed for this. really could use some advice as I feel like I'm in a potentially bad situation but for some reason sort of embarrassed to talk about it in RL.

Basically it's about my dp of one year. He is in the forces and works about an hour from where I live right now (though this could change depending on his next posting this time next year.) He comes to stay at my flat every weekend religiously and often takes extra leave days which he will invariably spend at mine. I live in London and I think he misses the London lifestyle from before joining up (in his mid twenties) and definitely would rather spend any free time in London than in his posting which is in the middle of nowhere really. I love him and I miss him during the week - but something has begun to niggle at me about this since I read about cocklodgers on MN! He's a lovely guy on the face of it all, but can be manipulative of people- one of his exes still doesn't know he cheated on her for 3 months. I should say I have rubbish judgement having been in an awful EA relationship before him. So while this is long, please please bear with me and help if you can!

Basically I know he's a tight person- since we started dating he didn't really do the paying for stuff/grand gesture type thing. We have pretty much always split 50/50 and he has even had sort of rants about how much he hates women who expect the guy to pay for everything and he would never do that even on like a first date. Ok, I'm an independent woman and I don't expect the guy to pay, but looking back at that it seems a bit of a red flag. He constantly says he is broke towards the end of the month, but I know he pays about £150pcm for his room on base, and he doesn't have other big overheads except the train fare to see me at weekends which with his forces discount is not much at all. For me, I rent a typically expensive london flat by myself and also have a child whose dad doesn't pay child support (another story!) so I shoulder those costs and while I have always earned under the national average and don't have a lot of disposable income, I make ends meet. My dc and I are currently living on rapidly dwindling small savings as I was made redundant a couple of months ago, though starting a new job next month which pays the same as my old salary. And yet we are still splitting stuff 50/50 when my dp is round at weekends (everything including stuff we cook at my home though he buys me the occasional fast food) and he has never offered to pay anything towards my rent or bills despite basically living at mine when he is not at work (I realised this when I saw my address was set as "Home" on his google maps!) I asked him if he would contribute even a small bit towards my rent knowing how tiny his rent on camp is and the fact that he earns more than I ever hAve anyway. He did not like the idea and said he already has his own place (on camp) and that he only comes because he wants to see me, which is nice but it feels like he's making me feel like I should feel privileged for his company when actually it's like I've got a live in dp (especially on weeks when he has extra leave and is around for 3,4,5 days.) None of this has changed even in the period I have been out of work even though he has seen me stressed about money. Everytime I talk about money worries he starts going on about his own money stresses but I just don't get how he can have any! He always says he's spent his entire pay cheque by the end of the month which if true is impressive because even earning less than him, with a dc to singlehandedly support and a big rent and bills, I was always able to put a little bit away at the end of month.

I think he does have very expensive tastes- he thinks nothing of £40 on a tshirt, hates h&m, primark which I live in, and only likes designer. He often seems to spend about £50 on drinks when he goes out in London to meet friends (which he has done a few times while ostensibly staying At mine for the weekend, I can't usually go because of dc, but it has sometimes made me feel like a free london hotel!) he proposes we go for meals/cinema but I always feel I have to pay half as he doesn't usually say he will pay for it. I have unsurprisingly found this financially very tricky while not in work! The one time I ever griped that I didn't like him going out all night then for a brunch the next morning without even inviting me, thus seeing london friends and doing london stuff while staying in my flat, he got angry and accused me of not appreciating him coming to see me. But if it wasn't for me he couldn't live his very cherished london lifestyle iyswim? To be honest, I might not mind if he even paid anything towards my flat as he treats it like his second home and over Xmas for example he would expect to be there... Or if he took care of groceries, wine or something at weekends. Anything to make it feel a bit more fair! But I feel grumpy that he's pleading poverty when he's on a good salary, he expects 50/50 when Im not on regular income and am paying for his weekend retreat constantly, and that he can be so irresponsible in the face of it eg. Buying a "spare" phone charger at £50 for no real reason, buying a £350 coat because it was in the "sale" at selfridges, buying hair products at £18 a pop. Does he think I'm stupid?

Sorry that was so long but I just am sick of worrying about money, I don't see this changing as he has the constant excuse that he's the one making the effort to come see me and yet he doesn't see my at (where he keeps increasingly more of his stuff, comes to every weekend even if I'm thinking of making other plans with skmekne else once in a while (he sulks), and even had a key cut for "in case of emergency".) I feel like I may be being taken for a mug. I would like us to commit to a more joint financial relationship. Or is he just a cocklodger?!

Argh please help wise mumsnetters! I've been turning this over in my mind and I don't know what to do!

OP posts:
newstart15 · 22/07/2015 11:18

Some relationships exist to help you learn what you want from a relationship or to help you realise your true worth. I think this relationship is showing you that you deserve better (but perhaps inside you don't really feel you deserve more).

I understand loneliness, having been a single mum, but whilst you are in this relationship you are missing out on the possibility of a good relationship. I left my ex and set the bar for relationships high.

dh came into my life after a while and I am so glad I waited. I am much happier and look back on what I put up with in horror.You have to change your mindset and believe you are worth a good man.

BerylStreep · 22/07/2015 11:23

Do you see that he is contributing to you being lonely because he expects to spend every weekend with you, whether you want to or not?

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 22/07/2015 11:24

Pictish, give the woman a break, she's been in abusive relationships before, it's possible this one isn't even as bad as the previous one(s)!

Mug - someone else has already mentioned the Freedom Programme - you need to do that, you really do. You need to learn that you are worth more than the crumbs these wankers give you, and what to expect from a genuine relationship with someone who truly cares about you.

pictish · 22/07/2015 11:24

He could be the very incarnation of my own version of masculine physical perfection and yet I already know I would be revolted by him. He's a greedy, exploitative, advantage taking, domineering piece of shit!

Cocklodger or AIBU?!
ThumbWitchesAbroad · 22/07/2015 11:25

Yes - but have you been in abusive relationships?

pictish · 22/07/2015 11:26

Ok...ok. You are right. Maybe he's a grade 8 bastard rather than a grade 10. I know.

Really OP I would like half an hour alone in a room with this guy.
It's not you, it's him.

TheMushroom · 22/07/2015 11:27

I don't think you're going to get anyone coming on here saying that he sounds like a rough diamond and you just need to work on it.

This man hates women. You know that. He's not the sort of man who should be allowed round your daughter.

HPsauciness · 22/07/2015 11:28

I had a feeling physical attraction was underlying this, otherwise it just doesn't make sense. I agree that you need to do the Freedom Programme and learn to set your boundaries better and higher. If that happens, he'll be out the door, good-looking or not, he's not a nice person and you deserve better.

DayLillie · 22/07/2015 11:34

OP (sorry, you must change that name!) You are financially astute and capable. You are living in an expensive city, holding things together whilst unemployed through your savings, and have got yourself a new job, as well as bringing your daughter up alone. I take my hat off to you.

This man knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. He is happy to spend on hair products, but not on the woman that adds value to his life. Not only does he not spend money, but he does not spend time and effort, and if he does, he wants you to pay half.

He has huge ingrained problems with relationships with women. Like I said, he does not know how to value a relationship. It extends far beyond the finances - that is just a small symptom. He may eventually see the error of his ways and change, but he will be at least 90 before that happens.

Try turning up on his doorstep at a weekend, find some friends to visit, cook him dinner and make him pay for half the groceries. See how fast he runs Wink

pictish · 22/07/2015 11:39

Yes...change your situation and change that name. Mug off the man, not yourself.

pictish · 22/07/2015 11:48

And I do regret being so harsh. I don't blame you OP. I am simply outraged by his audacity.
I hope you can find your way to showing him the door.

Mugonhead · 22/07/2015 11:52

DrMorbius- I don't really know what I expected from my post. I had been thinking about all the things that were bothering me for a while but kept thinking (usually after a weekend where he had said the right stuff) "oh I'm overreacting about this, it would be like this with any guy from the forces. He's not that bad." But something last night made me want to seek other opinions. A combination of festering bad feeling from the holiday, increasingly noticing more about his attitude to money that didn't add up, and generally feeling depressed at the thought of the weekend. My life feels so crap atm with nothing to look forward to, that's the truth. And I know I'm "dithering"- I find it really hard to end relationships particularly since the traumatic break with DC's dad. In a funny way I can't imagine life without "d"p in it because it'll be back to a lot of alone time, I know I'm prone to depression at those times too. Your posts have all framed things quite differently for me. I felt like I was going round in circles in my head before. I'm sure I do sound completely dreadful, I don't know how I got like this- I used to be a really self confident and bolshy type young woman and I did really well at school and uni, thought I would have a good life- I got pregnant and things have been so hard since. I just want things to work. I don't think I expected people on here to say this guy isn't actually that bad but I didn't realise til this thread developed how bad everything actually is. Is there any way he is actually a good guy just money conscious and careful not to rush in? Argh, can't believe I need to ask!

OP posts:
Annarose2014 · 22/07/2015 11:55

Even if thats true, how do you accept him not liking or trusting women that much? You're a woman!

fourflights · 22/07/2015 11:56

So, the sex is good, the discussions are good, relations with your DD are good, 3 things that he probably enjoys and that luckily don't cost him a penny. How fortunate is that.

Mugonhead · 22/07/2015 11:56

And I will look at the freedom programme. I desperately want to gain confidence and self esteem. Any other ideas for this? I like self help books and blogs (already read Natalie Lue) and I used to do am-dram to meet people and gain confidence. Bit harder now I'm out of work due to dc childcare issues with money. But I am keen to get better!

OP posts:
LadyPlumpington · 22/07/2015 11:59

It sounds like he's a 'good guy' to you whenever there isn't a more appealing option on the table - like going out with his mates or having a shiny new item of clothing/car. When it's convenient and/or unavoidable according to societal expectation (like birthday presents), then he's kind.

Swap roles for a moment: imagine yourself acting just like he does, only to a male partner with a child. You'd be ashamed of yourself, wouldn't you op?

DayLillie · 22/07/2015 12:02

I don't think I expected people on here to say this guy isn't actually that bad but I didn't realise til this thread developed how bad everything actually is. Is there any way he is actually a good guy just money conscious and careful not to rush in? Argh, can't believe I need to ask!

TBH, to start with I thought maybe he was just young and thoughtless, but the more you posted about his family relationships and how he spends his time with you and how he reacts to your questioning, etc, the more it looks obvious that he is beyond being a hopeless case and well worth changing the locks for. There is a lot to be gained by dumping him.

gamerchick · 22/07/2015 12:06

First get rid of him. A text will do and if he gets nasty then tell him thank you it means you can bin his stuff rather than see him again. Tell him you're no longer getting anything out of being in a relationship with him and are dreading the weekend so think it's best to end it now.

Change your locks and then look into raising your confidence. The longer you're being used the longer it will take to find your happy and maybe someone who will treat you properly.

You're not doomed to being stuck with bellends you've just been unlucky with this one.

PresidentTwonk · 22/07/2015 12:17

Imagine your DD was in this situation when she's older and think what advise you would give her, then follow it. He's a total cocklodger, please dump him!

TheChandler · 22/07/2015 12:17

I don't know why your first thought was to ask him to contribute to your rent and bills, as opposed to dumping him OP. If he started paying part of your rent and bills, he would only feel more entitled to stay in your house. And do you really think that he would stick to such an agreement? More likely, he would make a one off small payment, and maybe pay for a couple of shopping trips if you're lucky, but then bang! he can turn around and say he contributes to your rent and bills and you can't turf him out.

Taking him in as a paying lodger is hardly a solution to his behaviour! Theres a vast difference between that and making a joint decision to move in together, planning how to pool your finances. This relationship isn't really at this stage.

I think you need a clean break and to ditch him properly with no more contact, and look on it as a learning experience and for things to avoid in the future.

pictish · 22/07/2015 12:18

Quite. Please don't let him use you any longer. That would be a great first step in becoming the person you know you are!

Ohhh I could just kick this swine right up the arse, I really could.

DayLillie · 22/07/2015 12:27

Do what gamerchick says

Then write down 5 things that are good about yourself and mean them (this is always hard but I could do it from your posts here).

Take your daughter out for a treat, ie go out to the park for an ice cream, or take a blanket out and have your tea as a picnic - it does not have to be big.

Then do the freedom programme, and use your ex as an interesting example of how dysfunctional some people are. When you meet someone in real life, you have to take them at face value and accept what they say about themselves, at least superficially. If, on further acquaintance, they turn out to be bellends, that is not your fault.

Roussette · 22/07/2015 12:29

He'd only have to pay something to you once and he would never ever let you forget it because he would begrudge it big time. Whatever he paid, he would get back time and time again because in his head he owes you nothing.

Please don't waver OP (I can't call you Mug I really can't). As Pictish said up thread, I would give anything to have half an hour in a room with him, I'd have his balls on a bread board and a rusty knife poised...whilst telling him a few home truths.

No, he is definitely not a good guy but money conscious. He is a total wanker and a tight wad who thinks women - all women - are beneath him and they are spongers, sluts, lazy, fat and all after his money. Let him go and find some other Mug - you are worth far more, you sound absolutely lovely.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 22/07/2015 12:30

Me too. You really need to dump him - as Pictish says, maybe he's less of a bastard than you're last relationship, but he's still a bastard (like the grading there!) - you don't have to settle for any sort of bastard, there are good men out there, you just need to sort your own "vibe" out so that the bastards are less attracted to you.

SunsetsAndStarlings · 22/07/2015 13:00

OP, women haters are the scummiest of men...the misery and sadness they wreak upon innocent lives -women and children's - is untold!! I wouldn't spit on one if he was on fire, and would NEVER in a billion years invite one into my life and especially not my daughter's! Please get rid of this grotesque male. You are better alone than with the wrong man.