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Grandparents staying for our baby's birth

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EmberElftree · 13/07/2015 08:09

We’re due our first baby end of September/first week of October and live abroad away from both sets of parents (7 hours flight) and we are in our thirties. This is my second pregnancy so we are still anxious yet eagerly awaiting our baby’s arrival as it seems to be becoming more and more of a reality, I was scared to believe it at first.

Neither sets of parents know about my horrendous missed miscarriage last year. This baby will be my folks 3rd GC and my ILs first GC (DH has no siblings). We have a small house with 2 gorgeous rescue cats we adopted and have had for 3 years (which my mum hates and has told me “people keep telling me that you must ‘get rid’ of them before the baby arrives, cats suffocate babies etc.”) So she will not want to stay down the stairs on the sofa bed with the cats!

We have 2 bedrooms one of which will be the baby’s room although the baby will be in with us of course initially. We have a sofa bed down the stairs in the living room and 1 bathroom up the stairs. My mum wants to come out before I’m due and stay with us for a couple of weeks before my due date then my dad would fly out to join her then they would both stay in a hotel to give us our space. I’ve told my mum that the 2nd bedroom will be the baby’s room and she told me to put the sofa bed in there so she can sleep in there. If I had the sofa bed in that room there would be no room for anything else, it’s a small room. We have bought a small armchair for feeds and a couple of things for the baby and want to decorate the room as we wish. She said the baby doesn't need their own room, they will be in with you etc.

My PIL have said to DH that they want to come out and stay a few days then go off somewhere else for a holiday then come back and tag on a few days after, probably in November so not right after the baby’s born. DH has a strained relationship with his parents, meals eaten in silence etc. so he will ask them to come for 2 days either side of their holiday, this is the max. he can handle. DH's parents are well off but do not like to spend money so I believe they expect to stay with us as they used to so DH will suggest that they book into the hotel nearby if they want to come out.

We have a good relationship with my parents on the whole we all enjoy each other’s company for dinners, weekends etc. as long as we’re not in each other’s pockets. I can have a volatile relationship with my mum as she is very high maintenance, opinionated and can be very, very pushy. She came out to ‘help’ uninvited, just got on a flight and text my DH from the airport to say she was on her way when I had to have surgery a few years ago and couldn’t walk and it was a nightmare for all of us and ended in her leaving in a blaze of glory and us not speaking for weeks. And that was when we had a big place and she had a room with an en suite all to herself.

Ideally we would like my parents to come for a week or so when the baby is born which is what I’ve suggested to them. I thought it was all sorted but last night my dad spoke to my DH on the 'phone and asked him if he wants my mum to come out ‘to help’ for a few weeks before the baby’s born. My DH avoided the question and turned the conversation onto something else as he knows that I have already told my mum myself that if they want to come out to book to fly together on my due date. I know that my mum has pushed my dad to ask my DH this again instead of speaking to me.

I have emailed mum this morning to say dad asked DH last night about you coming out early but I already said that you should book for my due date? Will wait to see what the response is.

My mum is over the top but she can be a massive support and is a great cook and is helpful usually when she stays with us for a few days, helping with the cleaning etc. I would love it if she was even tempered and we could spend the time harmoniously before and after the baby's arrival but she can fly off the handle anytime and it's miserable for my DH as he has very staid parents who hide their emotions while my mum can be like a volcano. I'm worried I might regret not having her here but worse, I'm worried we might regret her being here even more and it ruining our baby's arrival and having to deal with the fall out along with a newborn. It's impossible to predict.

I know we are all grown adults and we have a baby on the way so it seems ridiculous to be tiptoeing round the situation but we want to make the most of it for everyone and to have the least stressful time possible and avoid future resentments which I know can carry on for years. Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.

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EmberElftree · 22/07/2015 09:37

Wow Frances, why do they do this? Especially a mother to her own daughter? I am not surprised at all about my mum's carry on as she has always been like this but really you would think folk like this would keep their council and think for a second how their comments may affect the pregnant woman they are directing them at - mind boggling!

I have tried for my whole life to ask her politely, why she is the way she is and says the things she says etc. and she comes out with a screwed up sneer face and says "well, I just tell it like it is" "welcome to the real world" "I'm a scorpio, we shoot from the hip" etc.

I especially liked her telling me via text that "having a baby is not all about you" when she is the one making it all about her (as usual). You can see it but she cannot or will not admit it.

She had a horrendous relationship with her own mother and I see my GM in her in lots of ways yet unbelievably my mum says frequently how proud she is of bringing up her own children completely differently to how she was brought up and I'm like Hmm ok...

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rumbleinthrjungle · 22/07/2015 11:30

Right. I am liberated. You have your baby and I just won't think about it at all. Let know what you have won't you just for old times sake. Good job we didn't waste time booking flights".

Great! Now you can reply 'yep, prob for the best'. Life is too short for trying to manage all this crap!

diddl · 22/07/2015 12:01

"having a baby is not all about you"

I'm afraid I had to laugh at that.

Well, if that is her mindset, I can't see the point in engaging with her!

Great that she has talked herself out of coming.

Have you kept a copy of the text for when she tries to backtrack?

Re the "horror" stories, she thinks that it won't happen if she's there or that she'll be able to "save the day" somehow by helping to deliver her GC??

EmberElftree · 22/07/2015 13:47

I know rumble it Is tiring. That's what my dh said diddl! Cannot win with this sort of "reasoning". This is classic mum behaviour. Unfortunately. Yes I have it saved (along with many others).

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Blu · 22/07/2015 14:18

Blimey, what an emotionally blackmailing drama queen she is!

I would text back 'LOL Mum - actually having a baby is very much all about me, the baby and DH. And I am saying that what I would really love is for you and Dad to come out once DH has to go back to work, as that is when I will be on my own and will really appreciate your help. Also I will have recovered a bit and we can have more fun together with the baby. Talk soon, take care XXX'

southernskies · 23/07/2015 11:07

I'd be tempted to ask her how she intends to 'share' giving birth, breastfeeding and getting up at 3am with you.

But probably best not to engage. Take the opportunity of her mini flounce to draw a boundary around you and your new family.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 23/07/2015 13:40

Are both you and DH from the same country? Is it an option to fly home for Christmas for example [staying with DB naturally - he sounds ace!] and see all the grandparents then rather than have them on your own turf?

In your shoes I would a) ignore your mum b) move your due date out by two weeks and c) pick an arbitrary date 6-8 weeks post due date and send out a catch all email to say visitors are welcome after that point and here's a list of local hotels and B&B's. Unfortunately, due to the size and layout of our home, there is little space and with a newborn wailing and two cats prowling it's best for everyone's tempers if everyone sleeps elsewhere and can escape the noise. Grin

Other people will tell you not to make that list and to let them do it themselves for various and valid reasons. I say that you may need it yourselves anyway if anyone turns up as a surprise. In your DH's shoes I would go to the airport to collect her, but not take her to your home until she was checked in elsewhere with her luggage left there Grin

One last point - a lot depends on how "comfortable" your parents are and where you live but a stay of 2-3 weeks to "help out" can be an expensive proposition even in a bargain hotel. IF you want the help, then I would put your mum in the spare room ............. on a blow up bed. And I would leave the sofa where it is, the feeding chair in your own room and the cot there too.

anotherdayanothersquabble · 23/07/2015 16:19

My grandparents had no expectations of being at the birth of the offspring of their 10 children, nor did DH's and they only had two children each. They were happy to visit, have us to stay but felt no need to be part of the birth process. Why do this generation feel the need?

EmberElftree · 24/08/2015 10:41

Update! Thanks for all your help before, just wanted to update with an out of the blue text from my mum yesterday. "Still waiting for our invite to the birth"

So she has taken nothing we've discussed on board whatsoever, predictably.

I replied "oh really, I quote "right I'm liberated, you have your baby and I just won't think about it at all. Let me know what you have won't you, just for old times sake. Good job we didn't waste time booking flights"

Which was her text to me a few weeks ago. Me and dh have been taking hypnobirthing classes and one of the exercises was fear release to look at the negatives which may surround our birth and our families are the biggest issue, on both sides but I'm just dealing with my parents at the moment.

looks like we're going to have to have the same conversations once again, why can't she just support us, this isn't normal behaviour is it? Why would I want someone here for our most important time who has said "good job we didn't waste time booking flights". She thinks she can say whatever nasty thing she wants with no consequences.

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Sansoora · 24/08/2015 11:08

Dont bring it up with her that she said 'its a good job we didn't waste time booking flights' or it will just give her an opening to rant a bit more.

Just send an email saying 'we are looking forward to seeing all of you once we've been home a few weeks and we're more settled'.

mummytime · 24/08/2015 11:58

Oh BTW my last birth was "nearly in the toilet" and I was blue lighted to hospital, but it wasn't that scary. It just happened fast and they wanted to get me there. (The most scary thing for me was as I had older children, that my emergency child care arrived before we left.)

You might want to pop in to the Stately Homes thread sometime. She isn't an ideal Mum, and probably never will be. So you need to do what is best for you and the baby. And what is best for the baby includes having a hppy calm Mum (and Dad).

EmberElftree · 24/08/2015 12:43

If only that would work sansoora...I need to bring out the big guns now!

Wow mummy pleased it worked out for you. True we need to keep the drama to a minimum which does not allow for my mum in the mix. We live around 60 miles from the hospital and DHs work which can be done in an hour if traffic is ok but has taken up to 2.5 hours if traffic is bad. There are ambulances here if I am in labour and can't drive myself but they don't all have paramedics only a driver, may as we'll take a taxi!

This is of course worst case scenario so if I'm overdue I will go with dh to work and we'll stay in the cheap hotel next to hospital for the week.

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schlong · 24/08/2015 14:56

In my case it was my mil who acted like a selfish petulant attention seeking drama queen during my pregnancy with longed for dc1. She was a complete nightmare and got worse once baby arrived til I eventually hadto go NC with the dragon. This is emphatically not love your m is showing you OP. It's control and power she's interested in as she sees you slipping out of her grasp on your way to becoming a m. You must not let her ruin this special time. If necessary blank her til she (hopefully) wises up. Oh and if she's a Scorpio she'll bear a grudge til her dying day!

Skiptonlass · 24/08/2015 15:21

argh. This thread is making me shudder just thinking about it. I get on very well with my parents, in fact they've just spent a week with us (I live overseas too) and they're good guests, been a massive help while I'm struggling with a tough pregnancy..

..but omg the thought of having anyone to stay immediately after birth makes me feel really anxious. It's so, so important for your dh and you to bond as a couple with your baby at that point. Even with the best, easiest birth in the world you'll be tired and sore. You might be getting over a c section or a tough birth. Either way you'll be bleeding, sore, shell shocked and NOT wanting to share a bathroom! You just cannot let her have any illusion at all that she's ok 'just coming over.'

Hi mum,

Nice to hear from you. We talked about this before and it's very important to us to have time alone before the birth and after the birth. Dh doesn't get paternity leave so we want those first x weeks to be just us. Please don't book any flights just now. It'll just be me and dh at the birth - that's what we are set on doing (and all the hospital will allow.)
Once dh is back at work it would be lovely to see you and of course that's when your support will be most welcome. He goes back x weeks post birth so let's pencil that in as a provisional date, and fix it once the baby actually arrives. Here's a list of local accommodation. Let me know what you like the best and I'll check availability for you. The house is far too cramped for all of us and of course with just one bathroom post birth, it's just not going to work. Plus I know you're not keen on the cats. A hotel or B and B will be much better.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/08/2015 15:43

"sigh> looks like we're going to have to have the same conversations once again, why can't she just support us, this isn't normal behaviour is it? Why would I want someone here for our most important time who has said "good job we didn't waste time booking flights". She thinks she can say whatever nasty thing she wants with no consequences"

Unfortanately the e-mail response along the lines as Skipton has written would only work in families that are at their heart emotionally healthy. With dysfunctional families the rules go out the window. Your mother is unfortunately not emotionally healthy.

Having the same sort of conversation with your mother is an exercise in futility. The only opinion that matters to your mother is hers and hers alone. Her behaviour here is clearly not normal, it is dysfunctional. It is NOT your fault she is like this, she is not the mother either you want her to be.

There need to be consequences as well as firm and consistent boundaries from both of you. Certainly no enabling behaviour. If she cannot or will not behave at all decently then she should get to see none of you. She was not a good parent to you and she could well become an awful grandmother type figure to your child. Its just as well that she does live a long way away from you; you also have to put mental distance between you and she as well.

Do consider posting on the "well we took you to Stately Homes" thread on these pages.

EmberElftree · 24/08/2015 15:44

Exactly schlong I will never hear the end of how I prevented her from seeing her grandchild etc. I got this email this afternoon:

Dear emberelftree (uses my full name when she is particularly displeased)

This is by way of clarification.

Please do not come back to us and complain that we were not there when your baby was born if, as we have said, we are waiting to be invited and have not been. No invite and we shan't come, hence, we have not booked. This is your choice but as you are well aware, we would love to come. The ball is your court, we shall say no more about it.

This, after saying good job she didn't waste time booking flights Hmm

And they are invited as she knows just not to be at the birth of course. Her behaviour as usual makes us not want her anywhere near us, or our baby.

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diddl · 25/08/2015 13:32

"Please do not come back to us and complain that we were not there when your baby was born"

How tempting it must be to reply "as if"

"The ball is your court,"

I suggest that you keep it there for a good while, OP.

diddl · 25/08/2015 13:34

"Her behaviour as usual makes us not want her anywhere near us, or our baby."

It's entirely up to you to decide if/when that happens.

mummytime · 25/08/2015 14:43

I really wouldn't want her around when you have your baby. You can and will find the support of strangers is preferable to this much emotional manipulation.

Why don't you mentally take back the invitation? If she wasn't your "mother" would you want her around? This baby doesn't "belong" to her you know. Yes in an ideal world children do best from knowing all their relatives, but this isn't an "ideal world".

GoodtoBetter · 25/08/2015 14:49

Google daughters of narcissistic mothers. And don't let her come for the birth.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 25/08/2015 15:10

I'd seriously consider blocking her e-mail address now as well.

Replying to such an e-mail just gives your mother the green light to write you even more. You must not engage any more in her game playing.

Skiptonlass · 25/08/2015 16:17

Ah, the old 'using the full name' thing.

Sadly atilla I think you're right. Just to explain myself though....

I have a couple of slightly manipulative /histrionic people in my life (thankfully not my mother, who is great) and it's amazing how they act with me versus other people. Anyone they know will be a pushover gets the full force of their craziness. With me, they know they can't do it, because I don't respond in the way they want.

The email above would get replied to by me with something like 'don't be daft, no ones stopping you seeing your grandchild. Come over when they're a few weeks old, like everyone else. Honestly, you'll make everyone think you're crazy, they all got told the same, no visitors for x weeks, calm down. "

The downside to my way of handling these people (or the upside I guess) is that they know they can't manipulate you so they distance themselves from you.

  • Don't reply to her email if you think you'll get sucked into an increasingly histrionic exchange.
  • Make sure you let everyone in your family know what the score is "sigh, don't know why she's being so daft about it, we told her she's welcome to come over after a week or two but she wanted to be at the birth. Of course that's daft, can you imagine such a thing? Now she's gone off on one, well, cest la vie..anyway, how are you ?"

And finally, relax and enjoy this wonderful time. you'll never regret putting up good boundaries from day one.

EmberElftree · 25/08/2015 17:18

DH forbade me to reply to her yesterday ha! He insisted I lie on the sofa with a cuppa and a biscuit and watch one born every minute instead!

Histrionics is correct and she knows full well they are invited (albeit to stay in a hotel). She knows we are planning a hypnobirth which she has never asked about or how the classes re going. I told her a lie that I am allowed 1 person at the birth when it's actually 2. The midwife was very clear that she does not allow visitors on the birthing ward at all, so just in case my mum repeats her uninvited visit like before!

Such a shame she spoils everything for herself really as some ladies love their mum to be around to help with their new baby.

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AyeAmarok · 25/08/2015 18:25

My word, she is such a narcissist!

rumbleinthrjungle · 25/08/2015 18:52

*Dear emberelftree (uses my full name when she is particularly displeased)

This is by way of clarification.

Please do not come back to us and complain that we were not there when your baby was born*

Righto Mum, that's a promise Grin

She really was angling to be in on the birth itself, wasn't she? Keep up with the cuppas and biscuits!