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Should I forget him?

73 replies

byalake · 08/07/2015 14:57

I met a man a few months ago and we ended up spending a couple of days together. He was really funny, really interesting and we just talked for the entire day and the entire night into the next day (nothing happenned at all!) and told each other about our pasts, our families, our hopes for the future and everything and I came away feeling really connected. He did try it on of course, but I was dating someone at the time and nothing happenned.

We both went home (we live 2.5 hours apart) and he started to phone and text me quite a lot. I split with BF and It transpired that he was just out of an LTR that he had ended because they had reached that point where it was "marry or leave" and he chose to leave. He's very honest, and he has told me that he loves this woman, but he is just not sure that he loves her enough for her to be the one he spends his life with. He feels like she is perfect on paper and that he has no reason to run from this commitment and it's tortured him a bit in terms of the guilt he feels for breaking her heart, and also the worry that there is something wrong with him to feel this way and that he is somehow not fit for relationships.

What came next was a lot of texting and phoning and some of the most deep, meaningful and interesting conversations of my life and I started to admire and respect this guy a heck of a lot. I feel actually like he's one of the few people I have ever met who completely understands me and how I see life and the world and he's so clever and honest and full of a desire to do the right thing by people.

There's a very strong attraction between us, and he carried on asking me out quite a lot, always teasing me about whoever I was dating at the time, asking why I didn't dump the stiff and go out with him instead and how we both knew we'd end up together eventually. He was pretty clear though that he felt he'd balked on marriage with this other woman and he was afraid he would do the same with the next girl and the next one too.

I explained to him that I didn't want to date him due to the timing and circumstances because it might be messy and that it was best for him to sort his life but that if we both still felt the same when he was completely over it, that we could re-visit the idea of "us".

During the past few months, I carried on dating other people, and he got back together briefly with this other woman. His words exactly in terms of her were that he was worried that if he let her go he'd not meet anyone better and that she was a good woman and loyal. I told him that sounded like the worst reason I'd ever heard to marry someone, but left him to it to explore his own head but he's definitely been a bit confused and messed up over it.

We both admitted openly that the connection and attraction we both felt was obviously something quite serious and he did say more than once that he felt a strange sense that I might be "the one". To be honest, I had nagging feelings on the same lines but I just felt if we dated when he was so confused and messed up over something else it would not give u a fair chance that we deserved.

Anyway, I told him yesterday that it's becoming more serious with a guy I am dating and that we were becoming exclusive and he joked around at first and then sent me a message that said:

"Honestly, he seems like a good guy and he has everything you deserve. you should give it your all because you deserve to be happy. This is me signing off until the day comes where you feel like the time might be right to be in touch with me. I really hope the best for you, because you are beautiful, super bright and really tuned in and I am really hoping that I hear from you again one day. What I am going to do now though is to delete your number, and I suggest you do the same. It's far too easy for us to continue messaging like this for all the wrong reasons and it's not fair to anyone. If you ever want to find me, you can contact me at (his address)."

I asked him what it was about and he said he felt that the attraction between us was very strong, and that we'd eventually see each other again, end up together, fall madly in love and that ultimately someone else would make me happier in the long term and he did not want to cause me pain like he did to this other woman.

I didn't really understand any of it.

I do know he's obviously not in a place for a relationship, but I hoped we could stay in each other's lives and maybe have a chance for the future because my gut is telling me that he and I are "it".

I don't really know what to do. He has left me this address, but he does not know my last name, my address, where I work or have me on Facebook or anything at all. He's deleted me now presumably and there's no way for him to find me again.

I feel like he's left the ball in my court but I am not sure why or what I am meant to do with it?

OP posts:
cerealqueen · 08/07/2015 22:44

I think he loves the attention. This is all too much drama isn't it, but I think you might like that a little bit.

Stick with the new man, as you have yet to discover him and you know all about the other twunt.

laurierf · 08/07/2015 22:57

I wanted to say he was going to do exactly this way upthread but I was already worried about coming across as too cynical and harsh to the point you wouldn't listen to me.

He's really shown his colours now hasn't he? He has. It's obvious to everyone from the outside. You're on the inside. Can you see it? Do you really want to ever be in a relationship with someone who behaves like this?

laurierf · 08/07/2015 23:13

Look at the "limerence" thread. Hot/cold, push/pull… forget me forever/ oh no wait, don't, I'm still here…. look at the shit the posters on that thread have been through or are going through… relationship losses, job losses, friend losses, sanity losses…

My response would be "no, actually you were right to say what you did. This isn't right for either of us. I've really enjoyed chatting to you but I'm going to draw the line here. All the best for the future"

AND THEN BLOCK HIS NUMBER BECAUSE YOU DO NOT NEED TO SEE HIS RESPONSE. He's playing you. Any response, no matter what the content of the message, would be about him, not you.

MairzyDoats · 08/07/2015 23:33

OR....you could say to him: "Right. Cards on the table time. We go away together for the weekend, see what happens, make some decisions. If you're still blowing hot/cold at the end of that time then game over. We're too old to be playing silly games." And see what his response is. What have you got to lose?

laurierf · 08/07/2015 23:38

What have you got to lose?

Quite a lot IMO. But I get that it's just IMO.

MairzyDoats · 08/07/2015 23:43

Well..what? If she can walk away (and make him realise she means it) then I don't see what the problem is. But I admit I've had half a bottle of wine and my judgement may be clouded...

laurierf · 08/07/2015 23:54

Suggesting going on a dirty weekend away where "cards are laid on tables" and sex clouds all your judgement doesn't sound like the best idea to me at all. Not least when your "gut" is telling you this twunt - who has already proved himself to have spun you a web full of shit and who you don't actually know at all - is "it" (aka "the one"). I think throwing sex into that scenario is a recipe for disaster for the OP.

Cabrinha · 09/07/2015 06:45

Yep, played.

TellUsAboutItLater · 09/07/2015 07:10

My opinion is that of you were going to be together you would be by now, despite his LTR ending recently, I got together with my dh when I was still getting over an 11 year relationship and he was at the end of his 3 yr one. I think with these things if the feelings are strong the other don't matter (of course they do matter but in your head at the time because of feeling so strongly for someone, they don't iyswim). So I think this ship has sailed.

Cabrinha · 09/07/2015 07:32

Sadly I don't think it has sailed. It's still pootling round the harbour. But the sailor is only looking for day trippers to make him feel like a proper captain!

mommyof23kids · 09/07/2015 07:35

"I'm dating this guy, it's going really well and we just had the exclusivity chat. However I've now found out he's in contact with a different girl who is getting over a ltr. They get on really well and he's even told her that she is the one. He's just dating me while he waits for her to get over her last relationship. What should I do?"

MairzyDoats · 09/07/2015 08:29

Who mentioned sex??!

byalake · 09/07/2015 09:53

ok, I get that

1....if he was that invested in me he'd have done something more about it than casually asking me out while telling me he couldn't offer me much beyond FWB

2....he's enjoying the attention and he's being a bit of a drama queen

3....this has the potential to cause me a lot of pain and difficulty if I allow my interest in him to escalate to the point of genuinely caring a lot.

I think I am going to stick with my origional plan here and continue to date the one I am seeing and focus on that and cut down to minimal contact with Mr Unavailable.

In a few months if I still feel interest and he says he does, I am just going to do what MairzyDoats suggested and ask him away for a weekend and get it out of my system. After that, proper time together face to face then he should be able to make his mind up (and me too) and then I will just move on if it goes nowhere.

I don't want FWB. That's what he wants, but I don't.

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Cabrinha · 09/07/2015 10:12

He wants FWB.
That means he isn't interested in a relationship with you.
I'm sorry to be harsh and blunt. But minimal contact? What's the point?
He's just not that into you, bottom line. You will not focus on your boyfriend while you still have a little seed of a plan in your head to basically sit around hoping this guy will change his mind. It's not about the wrong timing... It's about him not wanting this.
And yeah - he might change his mind if it suits him, but then you'll be with someone who didn't want you to begin with, so his change of mind will be temporary, I think.

I'm sorry that I'm blunt! I'm a bit older than you, and I know this is what my friends tried to tell me 12 years ago!!! And my ex (he was actually a boyfriend for a bit) was a total headfuck. And he's the one who still periodically tells me he should have married me when he had the chance. Which I'm sure his girlfriend would love to know.

Don't sell yourself short.

If he's not interested in you NOW, he's not interested full stop.

byalake · 09/07/2015 11:25

I understand what you're saying Cabrinha, but my understanding of how other people work internally is based on my own experience and how I have felt myself in the past (not always going to accurate but it's the best I have).

I was engaged once, adored him, but he did something I could not overlook / forgive and I had to leave him. I knew he wasn't right for me and I could never be with him but I still missed him for about a year, and kept calling him, going back and forth and it was a grieving process. I recognise what this man is going through because I have been there myself.

Back then, about three months after my split I met the abolsute perfect guy, and we're still friends, but at the time all I could do was a text based flirting situation and a FWB sort of setup and it wasn't because I didn't like him enough - it was because I wasn't ready yet.

I am not saying that's 100% definitely the case here...he might wlel not like me that much...but you don't know that and neither do I. All I actually do know really is that he invests a lot of time in speaking to me and he is a bit messed up. that's about the limit of my knowledge on it and I have kept my distance emotionally and physically because I do absolutely believe "right person, wrong time" is sometimes the reality of the situation.

I'm not sitting there hoping he will change his mind! I am open to the idea that in the future he might be noticably diferrent (and I'll see that change in him when he stops talking about wondering if he's done the right thing with his ex) and when he has...perhaps even gone on and rebounded with someone else...THEN..I might go out with him when he seems fit to purpose.

I have been through someone who blew hot and cold with me and only wanted me for sex and no commitment and I am not getting that feeling off this person. I am getting the feeling off him that I am someone he happens to fancy, that he is not chasing me at all because he dosn;t want to get into a new relationship (he's not properly fully extracated from his previous one) and that he likes talking to me. I think that's about it at this stage.

I really am not sitting there crying or getting frustrated. It only really confused me when he cut off contact which I can see now was probably a bit of drama / attention seeking and not very impressive.

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laurierf · 09/07/2015 11:47

ok byalake, as long as your eyes are fully open then good luck.

How old are you and this current date? Is he happy to go exclusive with someone who's not 100% into him and who likes someone more, whose gut is telling them that the other person is the one, is going to continue chatting to that person, but doesn't want to go out with that other person right now because they're not ready… yet. Or do you think current date is looking for real commitment?

byalake · 09/07/2015 12:09

He's a fair bit older than me at 42 (he looks a lot younger) and to be honest I think he likes me about as much as I like him (as in no fireworks) but we're enjoying each other's company. He's a nice guy, lovely, but I am getting no vibes that he's mad about me or anything and I don't see it working out long term but very much enjoy what's happenning right now. Good sex, good company, going to nice places. We don't sit talking deep into the night about our feeings.

I'm not an arsehole, so if he starts to express feelings or seem more "hot" towards me then I'll re-evaluate if I feel the same.

I don't think my current date has established whether he wants real commitment from me yet, but as and when he does I will think about it. He might well go on two more dates with me and dump me for all I know!

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laurierf · 09/07/2015 12:43

We don't sit talking deep into the night about our feelings

I'd take that as a positive after 5 dates.

SoozeyHoozey · 09/07/2015 18:17

Op you clearly want to keep in touch, you're simply asking for our approval to make yourself feel better. I've been where you are and everyone I knew told me to cut him loose but I didn't. (until I was ready). This man will hurt you and string you along but you're already completely addicted. Just do the decent thing and the other nice bloke go. Don't get him involved in your mess.

oabiti · 09/07/2015 18:18

Do Not Go There.

Yes, he fancies you, yes, he likes you but from where I'm standing, he does not want to make a commitment to you. He doesn't want you (in the committed sense) and he certainly doesn't want anyone else to have you.

Listen to your instinct, if it isn't loud enough, listen to ours!!!

Shrivelleddate · 09/07/2015 21:55

He gave you the shit sandwich - it's the nice persons way to dump:

You are beautiful, wonderful, funny etc etc You deserve so much better than me. I'm not ready for a relationship/ going to work on my relationship. All said whilst withdrawing rapidly.

I use this method, it means I'm not interested but I try to protect the person too.

Just keep rolling on x

Isetan · 09/07/2015 22:01

How are you talking about exclusivity with the new guy if your still so hung up on the old one? This story reads like a terrible Bold and the Beautiful script, ignore him and don't talk about exclusivity with new man unless you are prepared to go NC with the old.

You are a grown woman and should be beyond this teen drama.

velouria · 09/07/2015 22:23

You sound switched on and very self aware, good luck with whatever happens.

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