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Husband's affair - Tom is moving on

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tomatoplantproject · 30/06/2015 22:14

I took a break from mumsnet for a little while. It has been an eventful little while. Mumsnet keeps breaking and I'm sorry but I can't link my previous threads.

My husband had an affair with an Italian, I found out over 2 months ago. I kicked him out and since then have been trying to rebuild my life whilst keeping things stable for my little girl. I have an amazing family and friends who have been looking out for me.

We have had various discussions since I found out and have been seeing a Relate counsellor. Various posters have been warning me to be wary given how he has been behaving.

He was due to go to Spain last week on his own for a holiday - he cancelled at the very last minute after I asked him not to go and has been spending time with dd and I. Things were starting to thaw between us and we were building at least a friendship.

I had a job interview this evening and he did dd's bedtime routine for me. When I came home he sat me down and told me he was going to be honest with me. He has been in touch with the Italian Job since I found out, and they were due to go to Spain to see if they had a long term future. He pulled out on the Sunday after I asked him not to go.

I won't ever trust him ever again, and he hasn't put me first or respected my wishes that he is not in touch with her. So I am done. Once and for all. I can now move on.

You were all right. I just wasn't ready to believe you.

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CantGetYouOutOfMyHead · 05/07/2015 23:50

Tom, I'd like to introduce myself.

I have read all your threads over the last few weeks, but was not in a place where I could respond, because of my own difficulties. This is the place I come to read about other people's experiences, because they illuminate my own and have guided my own path. I previously posted about my H's affair under another name, but no matter; I had read enough and listened enough to take the advice of others, as these situations are - sadly - universal.

What is prompting me to post is that I identify with your 'bundle up a mountain' analogy. After twenty years and four children together, I felt - as I would feel about most other people that fail in life - that H had lost his way and needed a rescue mission. I was not necessarily saying that I was the St Bernard dog with the brandy flask, but I wanted to hear everything, own the knowledge, and equip myself with the facts.

Since I asked H to leave last November (ie threw him out, after a rogue email revealed an affair that had been going on for months, despite counselling), I have listened, listened, listened. And talked some. And listened more.

Through all my pain and burden, I listened. I was waiting for the truth. I was waiting for The Reason. Or Reasons. I was waiting for the confession. In fact, what I realised was that, having meticulously and excruciatingly pieced together 95% of the unforthcoming truth through online receipts, analysis of the family calendar, and other right-in-your-face resources, I was getting mealy-mouthed utterances that added nothing except sourness and disappointment to my already-shit life. But I didn't want to shut off H without a chance to say something - anything - the one thing - that might indicate he could change.

Well, what a waste. It is ME that needs the rescue mission. I need to not be sitting at the back door smoking and drinking Rioja and dragging myself bleary-eyed out of bed when the youngest ones bounce in. I have not been looking after me. In truth, I find it harder to look after myself than I do to look after lovely, lively, bouncy kids (all under 8.5), an elderly mother, a broken and upset mother-in-law, and a pathetic, flawed exH.

Please, look after yourself, and show me how to do it too. You sound like someone who has clarity of mind; I thought i had it, but I do not have clarity of action. I fear I have broken the Mumsnet rule of 'projecting', but if there is any affinity in what I say, please grab on to it and let me know. Who knows: I could save you a few months of 'listening' and you could show me the way out.

I wish you the very very best.

sempereadem1 · 05/07/2015 23:57

Can't get you out of my head. I am there too. Almost to the exact timeframe.

TheFormidableMrsC · 05/07/2015 23:58

CantGetYouOutOfMyHead...I have walked that mile..and then some Flowers to you.

Muldjewangk · 06/07/2015 00:02

I am glad Blood recognises your H is a possibly Narcissist Tom, those of us who have lived with one can often recognise the signs.

Narcissists only have tears for themselves, they have grandiose ideas about themselves, they lack empathy for others, are arrogant and show haughty behaviour, they have fantasies of unlimited success, they show a sense of entitlement, they exploit others, and of course they require compliments. Narcissists are people with Personality Disorders and they don't change their behaviour as they get older, in fact they get worse, that's who they are. They are Head Fucks.

One day you will feel grateful that you didn't spend your whole life with this waste of space. If you had more than one child with him, more than likely one would be the Golden Child (and possibly be like him) and one would be treated as say the runt of the litter and never measure up. Maybe that is why he treated your cat so terribly.

CantGetYouOutOfMyHead · 06/07/2015 00:03

Thanks for the Flowers - any chance of more Wine as I only have sauvignon blanc left? [wink}

CantGetYouOutOfMyHead · 06/07/2015 00:04

eesh, I meant Wink

sempereadem1 · 06/07/2015 00:05

Im sat literally at the back door with a glass of Sauv Blanc and a Lambert & Butler having given up nearly 10 years ago. So many women in this shit situation.

CantGetYouOutOfMyHead · 06/07/2015 00:09

Muld I am generally loathe to diagnose, but I concur with your identification of the narcissistic traits. I have found myself doing online questionnaires re exH's personality, mainly because I wanted to find out myself what the eff was wrong with him, and found myself exclaiming 'yes! that's it!' And as you correctly say, there is no prospect of it getting better, as far as I can see anyway.

CantGetYouOutOfMyHead · 06/07/2015 00:10

Semper I will raise a glass. It is half-empty. Or half-full, depending on what way you look at it Wink Wine

sempereadem1 · 06/07/2015 00:21

I wave a fag in solidarity. Giving up tomorrow. Not letting the twats ruin my physical health as well as my emotional. Though I have been saying that for the past 6 weeks. I have researched personality disorders, reckon my exh is slightly narcissistic too. Not obviously so, but some of the behaviours ring true. Though a massive sense of entitlement. Coupled with an OW who has done this 3 times and seems to get a thrill equals a family destroyed. Me posting on Mumsnet after midnight. Happy Days.

tomatoplantproject · 06/07/2015 06:50

Cantgetyououtofmyhead I'm so sorry about your situation. 4 under 8.5 must be really hard. I get what you are saying waiting to hear that one thing. Unfortunately I heard it last night and I thought it was just another tactic. 2 months too late - not a "true" reaction but another persona that might hook me in.

Semper - please get support on your own story if you need it. There are amazing women on mumsnet able to share and pick through.

MrsC I have read a little of your story. I have been horrified by what has happened and the way you have been treated. Also inspired by your friendship with WWK.

Mudje - you have actually just said something which has made me feel a lot better about not having another child. Dd would be the golden child. She already is a golden child with golden hair, a sweet and funny personality and super smart/clever. Another child would be the scapegoat.

Ladies - drinking wine and smoking after midnight isn't the way forward. Life is shit enough for you already without hangovers that don't accompany a fun night out.

I've turned to yoga. Where I go is not particularly spiritual. But for the length of the class I have to forget completely about what else is going on. It also hurts - but cathartic pain. I should have sorted my body out years ago - I have always had a bad back, there is a huge history of bad backs in my family and I had put it off. I'm hoping a yoga body will eventually emerge too.

I am determined to emerge from this whole catastrophe ok. Physically stronger, emotionally and financially ok.

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Inertia · 06/07/2015 06:53

Tom, I would argue that actually the person who needs rescuing is your daughter. She has the opportunity now for a new start in life while she is still young enough for the impact on her to be cushioned somewhat. By ending the marriage and moving on now, you would be in a position to protect her from future hurt. Your husband doesn't need rescuing - it's self - preservation at all costs for him.

tomatoplantproject · 06/07/2015 07:02

I'm not quite sure I know how to do that over and above splitting with him. She adores him.

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winkywinkola · 06/07/2015 08:50

She will still see him. Spend quality time with him. Hopefully he won't let her down again.

Your dd will be fine. She's got you on her team!

tomatoplantproject · 06/07/2015 09:19

I'm feeling a bit lost. I've just increased her hours at nursery and dropped her off. She is shattered the poor love after her sleep routine was utterly messed up over the weekend. I'm collecting her early though for a play date with her bestie and then a chilled evening.

I'm speaking with another lawyer in a bit. I have a yoga class later but no idea what else to do with myself. I spent all afternoon yesterday cooking and now have a freezer full of meals.

I just want to curl up and cry.

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Joysmum · 06/07/2015 09:32

He told me this evening he was going to start being gentle and compassionate towards me. Keep feeding the ride to make it go on a bit longer still

For him to suddenly be able to start treating you gently and with compassion means he was deliberately not treating you like this before to be able to conscientiously start now!

What a crock!

tomatoplantproject · 06/07/2015 09:48

It doesn't make sense. I have needed gentleness and compassion from him for the last year or so. It's only after I say we are done he decides he is going to change.

It's clearly not in his nature if he needs to make an effort and consciously be gentle and compassionate. I realised that yesterday.

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AmIbeingTreasonable · 06/07/2015 10:40

It's just words, talk is cheap! He still thinks he can bring you into line and get back to how things used to be, you need to stay strong in your resolve and not be swayed by his bullshit/sweet talk. Your dd and yourself deserve so much better.

CateCadiz · 06/07/2015 12:52

Tom, it worries me that he is still able to yank your chain. If, as it appears, he is at the house daily, you will never feel able to get off that roundabout you describe. This is why no or very low contact is advised at this stage. If you truly have made a final decision, it may be best to arrange his contact with DD in a way that limits your need to see him.

FantasticButtocks · 06/07/2015 13:51

He'a about to ramp up now isn't he Only if you continue engaging with him. If you've told him it's over now, there is no need to put yourself in the position where he can keep talking to you about it. Disengage now and continue building your new life.

MsPavlichenko · 06/07/2015 14:28

I agree re the contact. He has his own place, better that he sees DD there now. Bath and bed time can be done there. That is what will happen from now on if you move forward separately. It will be different for her, not worse.

Otherwise it is impossible to avoid engaging. It also reinforces that he no longer lives there/has the right to sit and talk etc . This will also be less confusing for your DD. If he struggles with this, it is another indicator of who he really is.

I honestly think you will be amazed how much more clearly you'll see things when contact is limited. And, you might feel better too.

tomatoplantproject · 06/07/2015 18:45

I am concerned about the whole contact thing too, to be honest. He is seeing dd twice this week and I have booked a yoga session both days so I will either be on my way out or needing a shower.

We agreed last night that once I am back from my little break he will have regular contact where he will have dd overnight one night a week during the week and every other weekend.

I have been very down all day. I have to hold on to the thought I have much to be grateful for. This is the end of a very bleak time in my life with new beginnings around the corner.

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Weebirdie · 06/07/2015 19:45

Tom, I sometimes think that reminding ourselves we have much to be grateful for is counterproductive. Sometimes there's no consolation so I just used to let myself be upset and as time went on things did get better and I enjoyed my reasons to be grateful rather than being consoled by them.

RedLentil · 06/07/2015 23:25

I think weebirdie is right there. You're desperately trying to hold it together, even by falling apart in a decorous way. It's ok not to feel ok ...

Grieve when you need to, and use your courage when you have to. Ask for help from wherever you need it. This is so tough for you, and you'll ride through it.

saffronwblue · 07/07/2015 01:56

Tom if you feel like wavering, just think how you would feel back together the first time he is late from work or heads off on a business trip. I think you would not be able to rebuild trust after he has lied so comprehensively and sustainedly.
On a positive note, you are inspiring me to get back to yoga.