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My wife - she just cannot handle any 'criticism'- big nor small- HELP

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Husband99 · 03/06/2015 14:00

Things are pretty rough. I just cannot raise anything with my wife without her just getting angry and now I'm stuck to know what to do. It seems I either just shut up- no matter it is- or it will kick off. The former just doesn't seem like a sustainable way to live.

Mostly things that come up are just petty. For example, I hate being late. She is always late when we have to leave for things. That puts me in a grump; I know it does- and need to get perspective- but I also do not think these things are the end of the world. What makes these situations far worse is how she reacts. Then it becomes her angry reaction (that always happens) that we argue about the reaction, and not the tiny thing that initially caused it that becomes long forgotten.

Basically she flips and loses her temper every time I raise even the tiniest issue and things immediately switch and she says that she is the one hard fine by having to deal with this. It just puts me in a position where I cannot raise any issue with her or else she will just flip. She never quietly considers a point, reflects, try's to appreciate where someone else (i.e. me) is coming from. Her instinct is always to just get angry and go on the 'attack'- every time.

I do my best to remain calm in these instances, but she quickly raises her voice and slips into personal insults like calling me a 'prick ' - I'll admit, I resort to saying things back at times. I am not perfect- my patience is not infinite and I know this is damaging to our relationship. To be honest, I do this as I feel bullied. I am forever in these instances saying 'but I am the one whose is upset with something you have done- why are you shouting at me?'. I just don't understand. We do discuss this, but nothing changes.

She doesn't seem to see that she makes things more significant than really need to be by her angry reactions. Because I don't react this way in reverse, she also feels that I raise a lot if things with her and just fails to see that I am not more pedantic, I just am able to listen when things that she raises are said to me. They get quickly forgotten and aren't even remembered because I don't get angry- I take heed and listen. It's just when I am upset or frustrated with something, her reaction is so predictably extreme and aggressive that I think it becomes memorable. There is always an excuse. How I raise things; the things I raise etc - what is consistent is the angry reaction not seeing that I have tried everything. My one option that I feel I have is to just not say anything.

Let me explain how crazy this can be. On occasion, just recently, we were travelling in the car and playing a game to pass the time- 20 questions. My wife got frustrated, thought I was being patronising as she was having difficulty guessing who it was (I know- I cannot believe I am writing this!) and she said 'God you are a wanker'. I was a little stunned and calmly said, 'ok- I don't want to play anymore'. Because we were on a car journey, I couldn’t take time out to get away and collect my thoughts, so I just plugged in my ipod- all calmly. She did say why did I want to listen to my ipod, and I said I didn't want to just sit here in a her moody silence (yes- she got moody with me despite it being her calling me a personal comment) and I just wanted to zone out and relax. No shouting - all very calm. I was upset.

This ended up being a blazing argument - I just don't understand why a moment of reflection doesn't arrive where she calmly, genuinely says sorry and feels sorry for what she did. Instead she gets angry about the fact that I am upset/ annoyed with what she did.

Ultimately I keep saying to her that I am allowed to feel a certain way if things (big or small) happen and I want to be able to share that. I am want to feel like I am allowed to raise things if I feel a certain way, but these see not an attack. There's no need to react like this. I am on her team. But her constant anger is so tiring. I don't respect it. I feel like I have to walk constantly on egg shells and that I am unable to share anything without it being a blazing argument- big or small.

Its horrible.

OP posts:
Offred · 06/06/2015 19:24

All kinds of things are possible on any thread but surely the only way to actually answer any post is to respond to what is actually said. I don't see how you have done that. Every time he's answered there have been more smart mouthed insults and nitpicking over every last detail. Loads of the accusations have been inconsistent like him not being assertive enough but being over critical and her not having a reason for behaving this way but his example not being sufficient. I just don't see that the way you've responded is in anyway fair.

Offred · 06/06/2015 19:27

And I don't give a flying fuck how much someone criticises they shouldn't be called a wanker because someone feels patronised and they shouldn't be subjected to verbal or physical abuse. I could understand if some posters said 'the relationship sounds toxic' but I don't get the total ignoring of what she has done and the implying motives/things he hasn't said into what he's said. He has simply said he should be able to raise things with his wife - reasonable things or unreasonable things, without risking verbal or physical abuse. Fair enough IMO.

Charley50 · 06/06/2015 19:27

He's also had lots of pragmatic advice on how to deal with the situation and on thinking about if they are actually compatible.

Offred · 06/06/2015 19:29

Not all women Sabrina - only ones who are insecure about being photographed without having washed their hair specially! Just because a lot of women are insecure about how they look doesn't mean it isn't insecurity.

championnibbler · 06/06/2015 19:37

OP - i would dump this woman.
get out now.
she sounds psycho.

SabrinnaOfDystopia · 06/06/2015 19:43

I'm just thinking back to a relationship I had before my husband - he was very calm, never shouted, never swore, but he would do what I called 'lighting the touch paper' and then sitting back and refusing to engage.

This OP rang bells with me - because the '20 questions' example reminded me of my ex's behaviour. He would say something sly, I would question it, and then he would just sit back and refuse to talk anymore - the equivalent of "i'm not going to play' and then putting on the headphones.

I honestly think he did this on purpose - he liked to see me riled, whilst congratulating himself on being oh-so-calm. He liked to see me upset and feeling insecure - but I came to realise that it was his behaviour that caused my insecurity.

I don't think Mumsnetters should endorse a poster, regardless of sex, being very critical of their partner.

Minus2seventy3 · 06/06/2015 19:47

He doesn't want endorsement to be critical - he wants the ability to raise an issue without his wife exploding about it.
The 20 questions was a game, not a criticism - yet it still culminated in his wife calling him a wanker.

Offred · 06/06/2015 19:47

No, but the op has never said anything that indicates he IS 'overly critical'. I can see why he wouldn't want to answer math or madwoman too since everything that he has said they have read into and used their assumptions to accuse him of all kinds of things. The op is not your ex. His wife isn't my BF either. I just don't see what actual thing he has said justifies these accusations. He didn't describe a situation similar to the one you describe with your ex either, they were playing 20 questions and she jumped straight in with 'you're a wanker' Hmm

Offred · 06/06/2015 19:52

Thread title - 'My wife - she just cannot handle any 'criticism'- big nor small- HELP' Not tolerating constant criticism - fine, not tolerating petty criticism - fine, responding to criticism with verbal and physical abuse - not fine, not ever being able to tolerate any criticism without resorting to verbal or physical abuse - not fine. Going from what the op has actually said...

clam · 06/06/2015 19:53

God, I hate mumsnet sometimes.

All the best to you, OP, and I hope you both can find a resolution to this that makes you both happier.

Offred · 06/06/2015 19:53

Math has even tried to justify the wife calling the op a wanker whether or not he intended to be patronising because his wife may have felt he was being patronising...

Offred · 06/06/2015 19:54

Basically what some posters assume the wife may be feeling is more important than anything the op has said or felt...

Wideopenspace · 06/06/2015 19:55

I remember, really clearly, with my ex having countless conversations where I would tell him I felt patronised and he claim to have no idea why I would feel that way. After the nth time of this happening, it certainly felt like he was being a wanker.

I realise that in the grand scheme of things this is possibly a minor point, but it is a perspective.

Offred · 06/06/2015 19:55

He even gave a lovely example of a reason he loved her and this was ignored...

Wideopenspace · 06/06/2015 19:56

I wonder at which point a comment becomes patronising? Is intention or effect that is the decider?

Offred · 06/06/2015 19:56

Yeah wide, fair enough if someone had said she may have felt xyz way and explained why but all the leaping in with 'you drive her to it and she must be feeling xyz' is beyond the pale IMO.

laurierf · 06/06/2015 19:58

Basically what some posters assume the wife may be feeling is more important than anything the op has said or felt

They were the minority. What she may be feeling has been deemed by others as being as important as what the OP said and felt. And if he won't separate from her after being punched in the face and wants her to change her behaviour, then they're right.

Offred · 06/06/2015 19:58

And ok about saying you feel patronised and explaining why and then if it isn't taken in calling a someone a wanker but to leap straight in at the wanker stage? The first example would have produced a 'this relationship is toxic for both of you' response from me but the second is just clearly unreasonable to me and I can see why it would provoke a withdrawal in the car.

laurierf · 06/06/2015 19:59

He even gave a lovely example of a reason he loved her and this was ignored

I didn't ignore it, but I didn't think it would help his case on this thread to be honest.

Offred · 06/06/2015 20:00

What she is feeling is important I think. I'm sure the op thinks so too. However it's not so important that other posters blame him for being abusive or that he be condemned for not wanting to leave the relationship immediately IMO.

Wideopenspace · 06/06/2015 20:02

I guess we don't know how many times before the OP's wife had felt patronised/thought 'Wanker' (really loudly, as I often did) and then finally said it. I'm NOT making her feelings more important. I'm just saying we don't know.

Offred · 06/06/2015 20:03

So am I really. Just like we don't know how the other person feels or what their side is on every other thread. Surely we can only react to the side that is actually presented on any thread.

laurierf · 06/06/2015 20:04

but to leap straight in at the wanker stage?

Got to confess to having called DH a patronising wanker during a game of Trivial Pursuits and then saying I didn't want to continue playing because it wasn't fun anymore. Double whammy. Blush To be fair, he gets his pants in a twist over things that I just let wash over me and say 'ok, sorry, didn't mean to but I see where you're coming from.' That's obviously not what's happening in this relationship, so the 'wanker' thing is a problem.

Wideopenspace · 06/06/2015 20:06

I don't know about that Offred - I think if what is being described chimes very strongly with a posters own experience, it can be really, really productive to share this - kind of give a possible view into his wife's position?

Offred · 06/06/2015 20:10

I agree but usually people have more perspective on their own experience being just their own experience and not leaping straight into 'I felt how I think your wife feels and my ex was a manipulative abuser so you are one'. Not disagreeing with adding your experience and asking the op some questions etc but math and madwoman's reactions just seem excessive and unfounded to me. If they have an explanation I'd certainly hear it since I am personally quite invested in my belief that MN isn't unwelcoming to men but perhaps this is too much of a digression on this thread for the OP.