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I am shaking.... (long, sorry)

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iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 28/05/2015 17:55

We had window cleaners. A new firm.
On their first visit they knocked a large heavy glass animal feedbottle (which was on a pen) and smashed it. They said nothing and didn't attempt to clear it up but left shards of glass everywhere. I noticed as I paid and they admitted it. I asked to dock a bit of the money and the lad said he'd 'speak to the boss'. Nothing came of it and over the next two visits they trampled the flower bed and leaned their ladders against the car so I cancelled further visits. They have come knocking the last 3 months and I have repeated the 'not wanted' each time.

today the boss knocks on the door - 'do you want your windows done'. So I say: 'no, not for last 3 months'. He then says: 'where is my money - you owe me £20 from 3 months ago and you have been asked 3 times and had excuses'. I said I had not. He said he had spoken to H and I should text him. I explained he is not contactable at work but I would speak to him tonight and he said he'd come back tomorrow.
I txt H but no reply. I ask him when he comes home and he says: 'they didn't speak to me'.
Then the window cleaners lad comes round. 'Where is the money'? I go through it with him, say I don't think we owe it as no requests or card left in postbox etc but I don't want a fight so I find my purse which has £10 in. I am not going out as I have sick child at home. So I offer him the £10, explain about the glass water feedbottle and say: 'so is that okay?'. He says yes.

10 mins later the boss comes round: 'what the feck is this?' waving the £10 at me. I explain and he says: hamster bottles are made of plastic and cost a quid. I say: it isn't a hamster and it is glass with a special holder, see here is the replacement and I fetch it and show him. He ignores me. Then he says they didn't break it anyway. I say they did and explain again. I say: 'also the flower bed and the ladders against the car'. He gets really angry and says, in my face: 'you are talking shite, you bitch' and kicks the gate really hard as he storms off.
Child inside hears him shouting.

H comes back 5m later. I tell him of altercation. He says: 'well there was £20 pinned up for about 2 weeks for the window cleaner, months ago.' I say: but you paid them that didn't you? - it's gone? He says: nothing to do with me, your job'. I say: why didn't you say this earlier? He says: you didn't ask. I am feeling quite upset by his 'nowt to do with me' approach and say I feel sad that he doesn't seem to care that I felt frightened by the window man.
He says: well, I'm not getting involved, what do you want me to do, punch him??? I say, no, of course not, but you could telephone or write. He says: 'no point, its over now' and starts storming around the kitchen. He bumps his head on a wall unit door which I inadvertently left open. It was not a hard bump but I expect it gave him a shock. He slams it with force, screams at me that: 'it is all your fault. you always always make trouble' and storms off. This is his default response to feeling 'under pressure'.
Sometimes if I handle it VERY carefully and he doesn't feel he has to DO anything, he can be okay (ish) but I tiptoe around this, all the time.

I am now supposed to cook the tea and not upset anyone.
But I feel upset.
I know this isn't AIBU but am I?
Maybe I did make a mistake about the window cleaner?
Maybe I shouldn't have implied H should phone or write to protest at the window guy's approach.
I knew he wouldn't but I did want need him to show some concern.
I have experience of a very violent man as a child and I get scared quite easily. H knows that.
(if you think I'm being a twit, please be kind about it).

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iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 08/06/2015 20:31

Thanks for not laughing tipsy

Funnily enough, I have been seeing a different one, each year, when they travel up to a neighbouring village.

Each year she looks like this Hmm and says: 'it's good to see you, but I'd rather you weren't still here'...

yes, will ask landlords / agents. No one wants someone on housing benefit sadly.

I had found a house last year, met landlady, applied HB, been granted it, taken kids to new school induction day, arranged removal, and, 3 days before she was due to release the keys to me, she 'changed her mind, having seen one of those 'benefit's programmes on TV'.
To say I was devastated is an understatement.
CAB said I could have legally challenged her, as I had a contract, but I couldn't MAKE her hand over the keys :(

This lady yesterday said: 12-18 months. I blurted: 'I don't have that long!'.

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tipsytrifle · 08/06/2015 21:02

Could the palm reader do a little white magic to make someone hand over keys? I've heard how abysmal it is for people on benefits of any kind to be accepted. Probably not a good idea to change the system as they did. But anyway, something is going to happen to facilitate your move, can feel it in the air!

springydaffs · 08/06/2015 21:40

I stayed with my husband 'for the sake of the kids' - and left 'for the sake of the kids. It was that clear cut in the end. I knew without a shadow of doubt we had to get out. To save our lives - I'm not exaggerating.

It took me a while - about 2 years all-in (which included a year-long reunion) but I did it in the end. I couldn't have done it before that, it was lightening speed in the circa.

springydaffs · 08/06/2015 21:42

Circumstances

MayDivorceBeWithYou · 08/06/2015 21:59

Well I think you sound clear and resolute so you will find a way. We're all sending you positive vibes plus the cosmos is listening. Wink To recycle someone else's motto from these boards, koko. Keep on keeping on.

A better life will be yours. (and mine, and many of ours.)

Think I'm premenstrual. Being bit soppy and philosophical tonight.

MatildaTheCat · 08/06/2015 22:07

OP, would the LL take you if you offer to have the rent paid directly as opposed to you receiving it first then paying her? If this is in the contract it gives her more security. I have a HB Tennent and wish I had insisted on this because she started with arrears although she now pays on time.

Anyway, it's worth asking. Also perhaps offering a higher deposit, further references and a guarantor. Anything that makes you look both sincere and low risk.

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 08/06/2015 23:05

Hi Matilda.
I asked about the direct rent thing last time.
HB will only do it this way now if you sign forms saying you are not a 'financially responsible adult'!!!!
Also, I have to persuade H to put the house on the market as I cannot claim HB until that is the case...
Don't have a guarantor (except H, who wont/cant) and don't have more than basic deposit.

don't mean to be 'poor me' but it is a rock and a hard place that's for sure.

but there is hope out there in the universe.
4 weeks ago I had a triple operation on my leg.
I am worried sick about how to look after kids during long hols as I get very tired. We have no garden and live on an A road so it isn't easy. no money for holiday clubs or the like.
Well, a kindly church going neighbour has told me of a Christian summer camp. It is gentle in it's approach I believe. She even offered to pay for them both Blush I don't know if I can talk ds into it, but it was a lovely lovely gesture and I will take that to bed tonight and think on that instead of H's endless casual cruelties.

I will KOKO.x

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iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 08/06/2015 23:06

springy - I am glad you got away.

I think I am doing it as soon as I have been able, given the resources available to me. not soon enough, but as soon as I have been able. x

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anotherangrybird · 09/06/2015 15:42

IHAVE I hope you can get out of this situation soon. Do you have family or close friends who could take you and the children in for a while?

BTW I don't want to sound paranoid, but be wary of anyone offering to play for yours kids summer camps. You said it's a she so maybe it's fine but does she have a husband and what is your feeling about him? Do they also offer to babysit? Also check the camp itself, are the teachers checked? Sometimes religious stuff is run outside ofsted limits and it's shaky in terms of children saferguarding and your kids are v young. Sorry to be so realistic but when we are desperate sometimes we hold onto anything and you must be on guard.
wrote this v fast hope it makes sense. Best of luck.

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