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I am shaking.... (long, sorry)

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iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 28/05/2015 17:55

We had window cleaners. A new firm.
On their first visit they knocked a large heavy glass animal feedbottle (which was on a pen) and smashed it. They said nothing and didn't attempt to clear it up but left shards of glass everywhere. I noticed as I paid and they admitted it. I asked to dock a bit of the money and the lad said he'd 'speak to the boss'. Nothing came of it and over the next two visits they trampled the flower bed and leaned their ladders against the car so I cancelled further visits. They have come knocking the last 3 months and I have repeated the 'not wanted' each time.

today the boss knocks on the door - 'do you want your windows done'. So I say: 'no, not for last 3 months'. He then says: 'where is my money - you owe me £20 from 3 months ago and you have been asked 3 times and had excuses'. I said I had not. He said he had spoken to H and I should text him. I explained he is not contactable at work but I would speak to him tonight and he said he'd come back tomorrow.
I txt H but no reply. I ask him when he comes home and he says: 'they didn't speak to me'.
Then the window cleaners lad comes round. 'Where is the money'? I go through it with him, say I don't think we owe it as no requests or card left in postbox etc but I don't want a fight so I find my purse which has £10 in. I am not going out as I have sick child at home. So I offer him the £10, explain about the glass water feedbottle and say: 'so is that okay?'. He says yes.

10 mins later the boss comes round: 'what the feck is this?' waving the £10 at me. I explain and he says: hamster bottles are made of plastic and cost a quid. I say: it isn't a hamster and it is glass with a special holder, see here is the replacement and I fetch it and show him. He ignores me. Then he says they didn't break it anyway. I say they did and explain again. I say: 'also the flower bed and the ladders against the car'. He gets really angry and says, in my face: 'you are talking shite, you bitch' and kicks the gate really hard as he storms off.
Child inside hears him shouting.

H comes back 5m later. I tell him of altercation. He says: 'well there was £20 pinned up for about 2 weeks for the window cleaner, months ago.' I say: but you paid them that didn't you? - it's gone? He says: nothing to do with me, your job'. I say: why didn't you say this earlier? He says: you didn't ask. I am feeling quite upset by his 'nowt to do with me' approach and say I feel sad that he doesn't seem to care that I felt frightened by the window man.
He says: well, I'm not getting involved, what do you want me to do, punch him??? I say, no, of course not, but you could telephone or write. He says: 'no point, its over now' and starts storming around the kitchen. He bumps his head on a wall unit door which I inadvertently left open. It was not a hard bump but I expect it gave him a shock. He slams it with force, screams at me that: 'it is all your fault. you always always make trouble' and storms off. This is his default response to feeling 'under pressure'.
Sometimes if I handle it VERY carefully and he doesn't feel he has to DO anything, he can be okay (ish) but I tiptoe around this, all the time.

I am now supposed to cook the tea and not upset anyone.
But I feel upset.
I know this isn't AIBU but am I?
Maybe I did make a mistake about the window cleaner?
Maybe I shouldn't have implied H should phone or write to protest at the window guy's approach.
I knew he wouldn't but I did want need him to show some concern.
I have experience of a very violent man as a child and I get scared quite easily. H knows that.
(if you think I'm being a twit, please be kind about it).

OP posts:
NewNameForMarch · 28/05/2015 22:09

Oh OP your post makes me feel so sad as I know how awful it is to be married to someone who's never on your side. My ex was like that. He blamed me for everything and if anything happened with other people he would never stick up for me.

After a while you start to doubt yourself and think you're the one with the problem which sounds like where you're at. Your h doesn't stick up for you because he's an arse and he makes out its your fault because that way he can fool himself that he's right to not do anything.

As others have suggested I would phone 101 as they were totally out of order behaving like they did. There was no excuse for their insulting you or being aggressive towards you.

MayDivorceBeWithYou · 28/05/2015 22:17

Do you think your husband loves you? I don't say this to be unkind. A wise mnetter asked if I had only just realised this at the start of the end and whilst it has been shit, staying with someone who made me feel like a person I didn't like because of their crap projecting onto me was a whole lot worse.

Be kind to yourself this weekend.

Beyond shit you're not welcome at his family's house. And beyond shit he's condoning that.

You're not some lesser being Ffs! Do some thinking when it's quiet. Flowers

SycamoreMum · 28/05/2015 22:17

Those window washers and your DH need Jesus (its a saying around here when they're beyond human help.)

I am seething for you. Ooo I'd love it if some rag holding goon showed up on my doorstep demanding money. And your DH would be eating his toenails for dinner because I'd cook sod all with vinegar. Angry

MayDivorceBeWithYou · 28/05/2015 22:22

Wow a lot of shit and crap in my last post Blush

FunnyHowThingsWorkOut · 28/05/2015 22:26

Sycamore I LOVE that phrase. 'I'm cooking sod all with vinegar.'

As you were.

Flowers OP

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 28/05/2015 22:29

tethersend - No, it's good actually.x

I had an Operation recently and I have been on autopilot 'coping' mode and I think I needed to sit down and have a wee howl (which I've just done now the boomerang gang are finally in bed!).

H is odd. He is just detached from everyone but himself, really.
No friends, works in a solo job, no hobbies. Of course, that doesn't make him awful I know, but he doesn't really 'cope' with life, iyswim.
He gets tense and angry about almost everything.
Choosing a tv show to watch, choosing food at the shop. Everything.
He cant' BEAR that, so it has to be someone else's fault. Anyone but him. Always. I have never heard him say sorry, (unless sarcastically, or if someone else around) and I have known him nearly 20 years now.

I think he thought I wanted him to bash the window cleaner. He is either silent or totally nuclear - there is no in between. So in his mind, he could do nothing or thump the guy (he told me he was 'working himself up' and he looked like he really was?). Obviously I didn't want that at all.

Here is the nasty bit though - he said if he did then I 'would be bringing the Police to the door again' and flounced off.
When he re-appeared (dinner on table, we all eat together)
I asked him what he meant?
Well, of course he brought up the cabbie.
But he also referred to the time I spoke to the Police about an old abuse issue.
That is what my family of origin (who knew about the abuse but stayed silent) said, and many of them cut me off. He knows this.
I think that is vile.

I tense if he even comes in the room.
I don't think I can bear to live with him any more.
I have tried so hard for so many years, for the children, but I don't think I can do it for much longer. He makes my skin crawl.

God, sorry, I cant believe this is all coming out due to a window cleaner bill. Blush

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Thetruthshallmakeyefret · 28/05/2015 22:33

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FunnyHowThingsWorkOut · 28/05/2015 22:35

OP, it sounds like a horrible unrelenting way to live.

My DH can be a bit black and white, a bit detached, a bit stressed about daily living. But we also have fun, we have nice times, we have worked on our communication and I think we will be okay and are pretty normally imperfect.

I'm doubting whether that is the case for you.

AspieAndNT · 28/05/2015 22:37

Think you should use this weekend alone to think about your future and going it alone.

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 28/05/2015 22:39

sorry, x posts.

MayDivorce - No, I don't think he loves me at all.

He loves the kids, when they show him in a good light.
Otherwise, little patience.
They ARE pretty spirited but he has no tolerance.
Apparently 'he didn't behave this way as a child'.

We had to have IVF (male factor issues).
He just failed to bond really - didn't think each one was 'his'. Really didn't.
Spoke to people about a 'clinic mix up' and such things, even though they have always looked the spit of him.
In the end I suggested a DNA test, it was so bad, to put his mind at rest.
Of course, that was me being 'vile and horrible and rubbing it in'. Sad

Sycamore - you've made me laugh! Thanks

'needs Jesus' (beyond human help) and 'sod all with vinegar' will be in my thoughts a LOT over the next few weeks, I think. Thank you.x

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Adarajames · 28/05/2015 23:42

What a horrid place you're in at the moment poor Op, sending you Brew and Cake and Flowers and warm thoughts, and hope you can find time whilst it's quiet to make plans for a better life, which would be basically without him!

FunnyHowThingsWorkOut · 28/05/2015 23:43

Rubbing what in? That his children were biologically his? How awful of you, OP! Hmm

twistletonsmythe · 28/05/2015 23:49

your husband sounds vile - and his comments about his ex are just foul.

Koalafications · 28/05/2015 23:55

OP, I think the situation is much bigger than just the window cleaner.

Have you thought about what you want to do about your marriage?

Is this making you happy? Would you be happier without your husband in your life?

It sounds like a very dysfunctional relationship.

PopTarts · 29/05/2015 00:14

Wow.
Although I wouldn't want my dh to punch a man that treated me in this manner, I'd at least want him to feel like punching him.

Report the window cleaner.

The situation with dh sounds a lot more problematic than the window cleaner issue.

LizzieVereker · 29/05/2015 00:27

Oh love, I just want to give you a big hug. I don't think that's allowed on here, so have Brew and Flowers instead. You sound really nice, and your H really doesn't. Have you got any real life support?

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 29/05/2015 09:47

Funny - It IS a horrible unrelenting way to live.

I was thinking the other day - it will just carry on like this, then the children will grow up and leave, and then I'll get old and die.
And that will be it. No 'time off for good behaviour'.

I have tried to leave before.

The situation is complicated (isn't everyones!). I have NO money.
I want to move area, for educational reasons (see SEN 'ignored where we are' ref to upthread).
We have a house we cant sell (have tried and tried) but could holiday let easily enough, which would give £ to pay rental for the new place for me and kids. Once children settled (ds not in school much atm due to bullying etc) I can look for part time work (I have a long term disability and am in the middle of some Operations atm).

H LOVES the idea. He went as far as hiring a van last time I was hoping to move (landlord wanted house back to live in themselves at last minute so I couldn't go).
H was actually excited at the thought of us going. How sad is that?
He LOVES the idea of us living away and him 'turning up at weekends - if the weather is good enough' to be the 'nice daddy'. I have spoken to the children about it before and they said that they would miss 'nice daddy' but not 'when he is in a bad mood, which is a lot'. So, my 'holding on for them' has not helped one bit. A bad mistake. Am I too late to put it right though? I wish I wish I wish I had left years ago.

Would I ask to move this to the relationship board, do you think?
I think I might need ongoing support to get out of this situation.
I am SO tired.

I am nearly 50, and I don't think I have ever believed I deserve respect, (down to my childhood) so I have a huge journey to go on, in every way.
The less nice people out there seem to sense my self protection instincts are not sharp and 'go for it.' This is described by H as 'rubbing people up the wrong way' and if it gets aggressive (see cabbie and window man upthread) then it is my fault and the Police are not to be involved. Im not great at saying 'no' (cant do it at all) and I'm not great at asking for help as I've had so little I find it hard to believe it is out there for ME anyway.

Thank you to all who posted.
Thank you so so so much for making me feel less alone last night.
I sat and read and re-read every post. Thanks

(ps MrsFlorrick - I wonder if the window cleaner who chased you down Upper St was related to my twunt one? Cant believe he did that - and you pg too! x.)

I feel less shakey this morning, although of course he will be back later.
H not window cleaner , (hopefully !). Clearly where the problem lies. Sad

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tethersend · 29/05/2015 10:02

Good morning, iHAVE Smile

Definitely get this moved the relationships board, there are some great posters with a lot of knowledge on there- particularly practical tips about leaving. I'm so happy to hear you talk about leaving Smile

At nearly fifty, you have so much of the rest of your life to be happy in. It's worth it.

I think, once you have moved (or before if possible), it would be worth visiting your GP and asking for a referral to a counsellor. You may not be able to overcome your childhood experiences alone, and a counsellor will help you to see past and present experiences in a different light. I suspect that this will strengthen you and allow you to let yourself be happy.

Just think, one day, in a couple of years, you might want to track down that window cleaner and punch him in the face shake him by the hand, as without him being an arsehole, you would not have the blissful and happy life you are leading...

Good luck with it all. You can do this Flowers

SuburbanRhonda · 29/05/2015 10:09

And as something for the future, there are organisations who support parents through the maze of SEN provision when they don't feel they're getting the support they need from the school.

In my area (Surrey), they are called Parent Partnership. They are independent of the schools and are on your side. They can even provide advocates for you in meetings.

Good luck Flowers

Koalafications · 29/05/2015 10:13

Yes, I think you should move this to the relationship board. Some longer term support would definitely be of benefit.

FunnyHowThingsWorkOut · 29/05/2015 14:33

My mum finally left my twat of a dad at 50. She is now engaged to be married to a lovely man. Grin She is gradually recovering her trust.

You will get so much help here on MN. Practical and emotional.

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 30/05/2015 06:44

Yesterday evening was nearly as bad.

Apparently, I upset him by implying his parents don't visit enough?
This provoked a tirade about 'your father hasn't been for 10 years - he couldn't care less about you!' - all shouted in hearing of the children.
(my father died when I was a young child, it is my mother's husband he is talking about, and he had a stroke 10 years ago and barely leaves the house).

Anyways, it is all because I 'provoke him', apparently. So, that's okay Hmm

Ds asked why I 'wasn't invited' on this weekend jaunt to see PIL and instead of using the dog (having to stay home and look after) as an excuse, H just sat there, stony faced and ignored and ignored and eventually told ds to 'get on and eat your dinner and stop talking'.

I have to get them away from this, don't I?

I will ask for this to be moved to relationships.

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MayDivorceBeWithYou · 30/05/2015 08:58

You have to get YOU away from this. Flowers

DawnMumsnet · 30/05/2015 09:21

Hi, we're moving this thread over to our Relationships topic at the OP's request.

Thanks to everyone who's offered advice and support so far. iHAVE, we hope all the wise MNers can help you to see the best way forward. Flowers

Pedestriana · 30/05/2015 09:34

Sorry you're having a horrible time, OP. I see so many red flags here you could make them into bunting.

your DH could not be less 'D' and could not be less supportive. Is there a valid reason why he can't be the one to leave? Would he agree to that?

It's a bad atmosphere for your kids as well as for you. I'm sure you'd all breathe easier (even if in a temporary housing situation) without this arse of a man around.