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I am shaking.... (long, sorry)

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iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 28/05/2015 17:55

We had window cleaners. A new firm.
On their first visit they knocked a large heavy glass animal feedbottle (which was on a pen) and smashed it. They said nothing and didn't attempt to clear it up but left shards of glass everywhere. I noticed as I paid and they admitted it. I asked to dock a bit of the money and the lad said he'd 'speak to the boss'. Nothing came of it and over the next two visits they trampled the flower bed and leaned their ladders against the car so I cancelled further visits. They have come knocking the last 3 months and I have repeated the 'not wanted' each time.

today the boss knocks on the door - 'do you want your windows done'. So I say: 'no, not for last 3 months'. He then says: 'where is my money - you owe me £20 from 3 months ago and you have been asked 3 times and had excuses'. I said I had not. He said he had spoken to H and I should text him. I explained he is not contactable at work but I would speak to him tonight and he said he'd come back tomorrow.
I txt H but no reply. I ask him when he comes home and he says: 'they didn't speak to me'.
Then the window cleaners lad comes round. 'Where is the money'? I go through it with him, say I don't think we owe it as no requests or card left in postbox etc but I don't want a fight so I find my purse which has £10 in. I am not going out as I have sick child at home. So I offer him the £10, explain about the glass water feedbottle and say: 'so is that okay?'. He says yes.

10 mins later the boss comes round: 'what the feck is this?' waving the £10 at me. I explain and he says: hamster bottles are made of plastic and cost a quid. I say: it isn't a hamster and it is glass with a special holder, see here is the replacement and I fetch it and show him. He ignores me. Then he says they didn't break it anyway. I say they did and explain again. I say: 'also the flower bed and the ladders against the car'. He gets really angry and says, in my face: 'you are talking shite, you bitch' and kicks the gate really hard as he storms off.
Child inside hears him shouting.

H comes back 5m later. I tell him of altercation. He says: 'well there was £20 pinned up for about 2 weeks for the window cleaner, months ago.' I say: but you paid them that didn't you? - it's gone? He says: nothing to do with me, your job'. I say: why didn't you say this earlier? He says: you didn't ask. I am feeling quite upset by his 'nowt to do with me' approach and say I feel sad that he doesn't seem to care that I felt frightened by the window man.
He says: well, I'm not getting involved, what do you want me to do, punch him??? I say, no, of course not, but you could telephone or write. He says: 'no point, its over now' and starts storming around the kitchen. He bumps his head on a wall unit door which I inadvertently left open. It was not a hard bump but I expect it gave him a shock. He slams it with force, screams at me that: 'it is all your fault. you always always make trouble' and storms off. This is his default response to feeling 'under pressure'.
Sometimes if I handle it VERY carefully and he doesn't feel he has to DO anything, he can be okay (ish) but I tiptoe around this, all the time.

I am now supposed to cook the tea and not upset anyone.
But I feel upset.
I know this isn't AIBU but am I?
Maybe I did make a mistake about the window cleaner?
Maybe I shouldn't have implied H should phone or write to protest at the window guy's approach.
I knew he wouldn't but I did want need him to show some concern.
I have experience of a very violent man as a child and I get scared quite easily. H knows that.
(if you think I'm being a twit, please be kind about it).

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iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 01/06/2015 22:25

Hi Pink

I think I realised some time ago.

I have HUGE practical difficulties to getting away, so I realise, try, fail and then lose heart / minimise until something slaps me in the face again. does that make any sense?

If I had the wherewithal I'd have been gone long ago.

Yes, I do think kids pick up on tension / unhappiness, however hard you try. Even the rare 'good moments' I've had ds say to me: 'but mum, it's hardly ever like this is it?' all sadly. (made me cry).

Certainly if Dad is sneery / unencouraging / plain nasty then there is no Question that damage is being done?
H is currently really happy with them.
They've all been away for the weekend.
H told me, in wonderment - 'they were faultless, they were no trouble'.
I said: 'well, yes, they are great kids!'

But when he is tired / depressed / grumpy he doesn't seem able to stop whining at them / being negative about them (in their hearing) etc.

They MUST pick up on it. Like your H saying about your Ds 'ruining everything'. That isn't going to make him feel loved.

Plus they see how he treats me. You know the house-elf in Harry Potter? - it's a bit like that. That's the model of 'relationship' they are seeing.

For me, for ages, I've known I cant bear him but I've tried and tried to for the children's sake - to put them first - I know they want us all to be happy together.
But we cant be. He wont let us be.
The alternative is to be single and they see him at weekends.
Ugh. Not what I want. But I CANT make it work by myself.
And meantime, their childhood is going by and they are learning this wonky behaviour.

.x

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MayDivorceBeWithYou · 01/06/2015 22:36

Keep strong, ihave. You're talking sense. Don't waste your life. It's not selfless really. My ds is much happier without the angry daddy stress every day. X

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 02/06/2015 11:11

Hello, May

I am wobbling. I know it's 'wrong' but it is so hard to extricate myself from.

Every day he is in the house I have to use SO MUCH energy to repel his baiting and nastiness (and prop up the kids self esteem). It leaves no energy left...

I don't have RL support and I don't want to 'reach out' in the village as I am hoping to get away soon anyway.

I think I might need to post on here almost every day to help me through Blush.

Shall I start a new thread asking for daily support?

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FunnyHowThingsWorkOut · 02/06/2015 11:18

You're alright here, love. People will support you.

I want you to sit for five minutes and imagine that you (and the children) are surrounded by a big bubble of thick squashy clear plastic. The only thing that can get through this bubble is light. Everything else bounces off.

It will take practice to remember but it is such a helpful image.

BitOutOfPractice · 02/06/2015 11:26

Hello HAVE I've just read yor thread abd wanted to add my voice of support. You can do ANYTHING you know. You have got through and are going through a lot and look, you are doing it. Making a change.

We are right here whenever you need support

Lambzig · 02/06/2015 13:23

IHAVE, this is one of the saddest threads I have ever read. Please leave, you have no idea of how much happier you and the DC will be.

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 02/06/2015 21:42

Ds came home from school having been bullied again today.
It has been ongoing for a long time and the school couldn't care less.
We've taken it up with the LEA and they couldn't care less either.
Their attitude is: 'prove it'.
So we are taking it higher but I have little faith we will get anywhere.

Today ds was pushed down a staircase.
3 weeks ago he was punched in the head.
H says: 'what can we do'? with this frightened bunny expression and this silly whiny voice.

It's the same as the bloody window cleaner, isn't it? Angry

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MayDivorceBeWithYou · 02/06/2015 22:25

Ihave...just want to let you know that we've not gone away. I don't know what to say. Your poor ds.You've so much to deal with.

But yiu know, I have a feeling that weak bullying men make strong women stronger cos we can get through remarkable amounts of shit.

You'll find a way forward for you and your children. For tonight, have a Wine x

MayDivorceBeWithYou · 03/06/2015 09:24

How are you and ds this morning? Step 1, appointment with school. Take out some righteous anger to ask what they're going to do to protect him immediately.

Step 2, work on that plan to get away.

Disengage with dh. He's adding to stress about your ds so don't ask for help as he'll let you down.

Flowers
yougotafriend · 03/06/2015 09:48

My stbxh was a bit like this - I'd forgotten until I read your post!!

One time I thought a local garage was ripping me off over car repairs and asked him to come back with me - he said there was no point as he knows nothing about cars!! After i insisted he came but then realised he knew the manager there so spent the whole time gossiping about mutual friends - they made a big thing about giving me a discounted price as he knew stbxh when they where actually overcharging in the place - I was raging and of course he thought he was the hero!!

Another time at a family party (his family) I pointed to a woman and asked SIL who she was - her (very drunk) son thought I was pointing and being a bitch so came running over and was right up in my face - stbxh just sat there - afterwards he siad to get invovled would have caused embarrasment to the hosts (his cousin) and after all "you were talking about her"

I could never rely on him to have my back.

mummytime · 03/06/2015 10:01

Sorry for an odd question - but do you have an English accent?

Please just get away - however you can. There are benefits you can apply for, there are ways to get money.
This is no way to live.

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 03/06/2015 12:19

mummy happy to answer but can I ask why you ask, iyswim?
pm me if you want?

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iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 03/06/2015 12:22

MayDivorce - I spoke to someone helpful from an antibulling organisation.

She said that what I was describing re SCHOOL was a potential child protection issue as the lack of safeguarding is so clear. She has offered to help 'oversee' my letters to LEA. I am very grateful.

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onereminder · 03/06/2015 12:35

I guess there's two sides to every story.

If you do "always (or often) make trouble" then his reaction is more understandable.

If you don't, then he's unreasonable.

mummytime · 03/06/2015 12:38

I just wondered if that was why you were getting such bad service so much?

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 03/06/2015 12:49

one - well, of course I am only speak from my perspective, but I don't think verbally and physically threatening me is understandable, whatever he perceives my 'trouble making' capacities are?

mummy - Yes, I do have an RP accent. School have said the reason my ds has 'literacy issues' is because he also has an RP accent. I am following this up as it is Dyslexia, not the way his mum may or may not speak, that is the issue for him.

The window cleaner was just a bolshy knob who liked to throw his weight around, I think.

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iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 03/06/2015 12:50

sorry: 'can only speak from my perspective'.

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iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 03/06/2015 12:52

I have just spoken to a Scottish anti bullying charity for advice and they said the area I live in is: 'notorious' and said they felt my accent may be part of what is happening.

I had wondered, but was pretty Shock to hear it so openly acknowledged (and condemned too, to be fair).

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mummytime · 03/06/2015 13:20

I lived in Scotland for a while, and it was the only time when reverting to my childhood accent wouldn't have helped me get out of trouble.

Admittedly the only really trouble/nasty prejudice I got was from a lecturer of Caribbean origin, and when I dived into a newspaper shop to get away from him at one point, the people there were lovely (I just couldn't put up with any more comments about how much nicer Scottish girls were than English ones). He refused to speak to me again, which was awkward when I had to go on a field trip led by him - others in the department didn't totally believe what I was saying until they observed it themselves.

But unlike some racism at least I can keep my mouth shut most of the time.

fairyfi · 03/06/2015 20:58

this 'turn' on me as seeing me in any sort of distress seems to bring out the very worst in him.

sadly, Sad very sorry to say, but this was a catalysing moment for me and brought everything else into clarity in my abusive relationship, it is exactly what I realised, that there were not only no spaces for my emotions, but worse, i experienced penalties and paybacks for having them and yes, he truly is showing you who he is. We all understand how it can be hard to see that though, and can take time to be prepared to really see.

Take solace in knowing that you have strength far and beyond any that he posesses, this is why he is with you and will not tolerate you displaying your struggles (what he sees as weak).

Keep reading those threads that started to open your eyes, and do some posting when you are ready, you will get a lot of support for your situation, and not feel isolated in your life that is this way, for now.

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 03/06/2015 21:30

We were bickering about something earlier in the kitchen.

I think he was in his 'you blame me for everything when none of it is my fault' thing that he spends ALL his time and energy doing.
Earlier my asd ds managed to lock himself in the boot of the car (he's 10.5!) and the dog nearly fell out the upstairs window.
To both those things he will protest: 'it wasn't MY fault'.
to which I think - I don't care whose bloody 'fault' it was / wasn't

  • let's just rescue child and dog - !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but he genuinely seemingly would rather stand and protest than leap into action. and I cannot get my head around that.

Anyways, he was filling the kettle and I was stirring a pan of food.
He suddenly moved towards me (to get teabags I think) but I instantly flinched inside and started feeling very very shaky.

It was genuinely my reaction to his sudden movement rather than there being anything threatening in that movement, but it was instinctive and it was a very real feeling inside me - I was genuinely scared he was going to hit / grab / shove me.

Even though he didn't, I need to trust that feeling, don't I?

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fairyfi · 03/06/2015 21:36

you really do! This is definitely not how it feels to be with someone who loves you. people who love you don't treat you in a way that results in your feeling sooo jumpy and scared. You know what is happening and what you need to do.

MayDivorceBeWithYou · 07/06/2015 09:12

How you doing ihave?

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 08/06/2015 10:52

Hi MayDivorce

I am viewing 2 rentals this week (not necess as positive as it sounds as not sure how to pay for them yet... this is what has stymied me in past).

Meantime, - don't laugh - had my palm read yesterday...
Person said that I have tried to go a number of times (true) and that only I could do it (true again) but also that there comes a point where it is damaging to the kids to STAY never mind go...

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tipsytrifle · 08/06/2015 19:33

Wow about that palm reader ...

Have been watching your thread and willing you to call it a day on this. I also don't know the practicalities of affording the move-out, but since the cosmos seems to be on your side, are you sure you checked out everything you might be entitled to by way of help? Including the potential landlords?