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I am shaking.... (long, sorry)

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iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 28/05/2015 17:55

We had window cleaners. A new firm.
On their first visit they knocked a large heavy glass animal feedbottle (which was on a pen) and smashed it. They said nothing and didn't attempt to clear it up but left shards of glass everywhere. I noticed as I paid and they admitted it. I asked to dock a bit of the money and the lad said he'd 'speak to the boss'. Nothing came of it and over the next two visits they trampled the flower bed and leaned their ladders against the car so I cancelled further visits. They have come knocking the last 3 months and I have repeated the 'not wanted' each time.

today the boss knocks on the door - 'do you want your windows done'. So I say: 'no, not for last 3 months'. He then says: 'where is my money - you owe me £20 from 3 months ago and you have been asked 3 times and had excuses'. I said I had not. He said he had spoken to H and I should text him. I explained he is not contactable at work but I would speak to him tonight and he said he'd come back tomorrow.
I txt H but no reply. I ask him when he comes home and he says: 'they didn't speak to me'.
Then the window cleaners lad comes round. 'Where is the money'? I go through it with him, say I don't think we owe it as no requests or card left in postbox etc but I don't want a fight so I find my purse which has £10 in. I am not going out as I have sick child at home. So I offer him the £10, explain about the glass water feedbottle and say: 'so is that okay?'. He says yes.

10 mins later the boss comes round: 'what the feck is this?' waving the £10 at me. I explain and he says: hamster bottles are made of plastic and cost a quid. I say: it isn't a hamster and it is glass with a special holder, see here is the replacement and I fetch it and show him. He ignores me. Then he says they didn't break it anyway. I say they did and explain again. I say: 'also the flower bed and the ladders against the car'. He gets really angry and says, in my face: 'you are talking shite, you bitch' and kicks the gate really hard as he storms off.
Child inside hears him shouting.

H comes back 5m later. I tell him of altercation. He says: 'well there was £20 pinned up for about 2 weeks for the window cleaner, months ago.' I say: but you paid them that didn't you? - it's gone? He says: nothing to do with me, your job'. I say: why didn't you say this earlier? He says: you didn't ask. I am feeling quite upset by his 'nowt to do with me' approach and say I feel sad that he doesn't seem to care that I felt frightened by the window man.
He says: well, I'm not getting involved, what do you want me to do, punch him??? I say, no, of course not, but you could telephone or write. He says: 'no point, its over now' and starts storming around the kitchen. He bumps his head on a wall unit door which I inadvertently left open. It was not a hard bump but I expect it gave him a shock. He slams it with force, screams at me that: 'it is all your fault. you always always make trouble' and storms off. This is his default response to feeling 'under pressure'.
Sometimes if I handle it VERY carefully and he doesn't feel he has to DO anything, he can be okay (ish) but I tiptoe around this, all the time.

I am now supposed to cook the tea and not upset anyone.
But I feel upset.
I know this isn't AIBU but am I?
Maybe I did make a mistake about the window cleaner?
Maybe I shouldn't have implied H should phone or write to protest at the window guy's approach.
I knew he wouldn't but I did want need him to show some concern.
I have experience of a very violent man as a child and I get scared quite easily. H knows that.
(if you think I'm being a twit, please be kind about it).

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Lizzylou · 28/05/2015 19:34

You poor thing.
You have not been at fault at all, your husband and the windowcleaner deserve a massive kick in the cock for their behaviour.
Do not apologise to your DH, ignore him. He sounds completely disloyal and spineless.

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 28/05/2015 19:35

No-one I guarantee is going to call you a twit. You need support which is what you can rely on here.
First of all the window cleaner kicks off on you and then when you quite rightly expect the support from your DH he kicks off too. Are neither of the brave enough to stand up to a man can they only size up women!!!
Oh and I fully echo what Banner says

tethersend · 28/05/2015 19:35
  1. The £20 doesn't matter, you are well within your rights to withhold the money as the window cleaners damaged your property and left smashed glass around- doesn't bear thinking about what would have happened with a young child around if you hadn't spotted it. So, whether they were paid enough or not is a non-issue.

  2. The window cleaner had no right to intimidate you like that. Call 101 and report.

  3. Your husband sounds like he doesn't care about your feelings at all, only how they impact on him. I'm sorry, that's really shit for you. I couldn't live with that; nor should you.

I think the fact that you didn't tell the window cleaners to fuck off a lot sooner suggests that you are used to being bullied like this. Sorry if I'm wrong about that.

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 28/05/2015 19:36

Sorry forgot to add. Wine and Flowers Or if you prefer Brew And Cake Or why not hAvd them all

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 28/05/2015 19:37

I might call the local community police and let them know re the window cleaners, that's a good idea.

I had an incident with a local taxi driver last year (accused me of bumping his car - I didn't). Guess whose side H took? I called the local policewoman as cabby was actually lunging at me (H just walked off into the house and left me there) and she was great. (She later told me cabby has 'form').

Not only does H not 'have my back' he seems to enjoy 'having the back' of whoever might be trying to bully me at any point (this is not a constant state of affairs, you understand, but some people seem to know that I am not very good at maintaining my boundaries).

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MrsFlorrick · 28/05/2015 19:37

Poor you. That all sounds awful.

I had a very intimidating situation with a window cleaner about 6 years ago.

We had stopped having them around because they repeatedly broke thing and caused damage to a casement window fitting which ended up being a £50 repair.

I was pregnant with DD (30ish weeks) and the followed me down the road all the way down Upper St shouting vile abuse and swear words at me. Being waddly and pregnant it's not like I could make a run for it. I was very upset. Luckily they were stopped by two PCSOs and I didn't see them again.

Quite scary!

Your DH is shocking through!! He can't just leave it to you!

How does your DH know they won't just come back tomorrow or next week for more money?! If they feel they can intimidate you into handing over cash they will be back for more.

Your DH should ring and complain and then he should help you with speaking to 111 regarding the intimidation. Not leave you swinging on your own ShockConfusedAngry

Anyway if your DH won't help then 111 and complain. Don't take it laying down. I'm Angry for you.

lunalelle · 28/05/2015 19:37

Hmmm, he sounds delightful. Seeing as you 'piss him off' so much, why not do yourself and your kids a lovely favour by walking out?

FunnyHowThingsWorkOut · 28/05/2015 19:38

Your husband is being a dick.

You must report window cleaners. Our constabulary encourages you to report cowboys like that who harass and intimidate.

MrsFlorrick · 28/05/2015 19:38

101 obv not 111 Confused it's not a health issue

LumpySpacedPrincess · 28/05/2015 19:39

It's horrible when you realise you're married to an assholeness. Sad

You really deserve better and so do your kids. Maybe it's time to start planning a life without him.

Lizzylou · 28/05/2015 19:40

Yes, report windowcleaners and also tell your dh why his behaviour is unacceptable.
He doesn't have to have a fist fight or fight a fucking duel, just stick up for his family.
Stand up to these bullies, you don't have to settle.

BettyCatKitten · 28/05/2015 19:43

If the window cleaner returns call the police.
Sadly you're married to a complete dick. As he refers to his parents as his family then perhaps he can fuck off to them and leave you in peace.

tethersend · 28/05/2015 19:46

iHAVE, reading your posts makes me really sad... You seem to blame yourself for everything:

I made a poor choice

I'm not very good at maintaining my boundaries

Maybe I did make a mistake about the window cleaner?

Maybe I shouldn't have implied H should phone or write to protest at the window guy's approach.

Not one of these things are your fault. Not one.

What you say about your childhood makes me think that you were taught from a very early age that things that happened to you were your fault. They weren't. They still aren't.

DownWithThisTypeOfThing · 28/05/2015 19:48

I didn't fully grasp what was paid to the window cleaners and when, but if even after you account for the damage they did you think you may owe them money, post it to them with a brief note explaining miscommunication with husband. Im not sure they deserve it (probably deserve a call to community police as suggested - but ensure you're clear with the police about whether you owe money or not) but if you're someone who needs to tie up loose ends then maybe the peace of mind is worth it.

But in all honesty that's not the issue. Your husband sounds like an arse. You're not being a twit at all.

BabyGanoush · 28/05/2015 19:57

agree with Down.

I'd do that as well to make sure it's doen and dusted 9and the whole issue can go away)

As to DH, what a fuckwit.

tethersend · 28/05/2015 20:04

I would certainly not be giving the window cleaner money. He lost any claim, spurious or otherwise, to the money the minute he intimidated you. You are also out of pocket for the feed bottle, flowers and car which were damaged.

cakesonatrain · 28/05/2015 20:13

Window cleaners obviously being cocks, but forget about them.
Your husband is a cock and you obviously can't forget about him. If I was in your situation, my DH would be swearing about the window cleaners, making " if they come round here again I'll kick their arses" noises and making sure I was ok.

I agree with pp that he should fuck off to his family.

LuluJakey1 · 28/05/2015 20:39

I am gobsmacked by your DH's response. My DH, who is not aggressive in any way, would have been furious with them and really supportive of me and would have called the police. If they had come back he would have told them where to go.

Why does this man not care that you have been treated so badly? And are so hurt? And why does he choose to make that worse? It almost seems like he wants you to suffer and can not take on the responsibility of a wife and children- loving and caring and supporting and putting first, being a team.

I can't see him changing and you deserve much nicer than this.

ohtheholidays · 28/05/2015 20:56

Honestly can't see your getting anything out of this relationship.

Your husband sounds like a Bully and a Fucking Coward,who the hell doesn't stand up for they're wife.

You owe the window cleaners nothing!You really need to start learning to be assertive.I know it's really hard,I had a terrible childhood and have suffered domestic abuse and rape repeatedly at the hands of my first husband.I put up with it all for years and never spoke up for myself.I learned the hard way,I promise you no matter what the past was for you,you can move on and you can learn to be assertive and sculpt a better life for yourself and your child.

If I'd had the same happen the first time I used the window cleaners I would have refused to pay them and would demand they paid for the item they'd damaged.The bloody Morons.Any raised voices or threatening behavior,refusal to reimburse me I would have called the Police.

I'd call the Police now,explain to them about all the damage they've caused,about the constant harassing you and about the threatening behavior.

Is there anyone in real life that you can confide in about what's been going on with your husband?A friend or family member?

I think you really need to start thinking about what if anything you are getting out of the relationship and then from there you can decide what you want to do.What's best for you and your child,that should be the only people your worried about yourself and your LO as your husband clearly is only concerned for himself.

I'd also get in touch with any specialist your LO is under at the moment to get support for yourself and your child.Has your LO got an SEN?

spiderlight · 28/05/2015 20:57

Your DH has completely destroyed your self-confidence and self-esteem, hasn't he? Marriage should be about loyalty. :(

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 28/05/2015 21:16

Sorry if I was unclear about the £ part.
They said we owed £20.
I paid £10, explaining that I'd had to replace the feedbottle and holder (which was around £8.50 to be fair) and about the garden damage and not liking ladders up against my car.
As I wasn't sure that I owed them anything - I was 'paid up' when I cancelled them so if they came and cleaned after (certainly didn't leave a card and I didn't notice clean windows) then I thought that was fair?
The younger one said fine, it was the 'boss' that came back and shouted and kicked gate etc.

I think H would have gone back to his family some time ago (he frequently says how 'disappointed' with family life he is) but they said no.

When I met him he was full of woe about his first wife and how she had been 'mentally ill' (I do believe she had made suicide attempts) and how hard it had been for him even though he had tried to help her. I now wonder as I have a physical disability and he can be quite 'aggressive' in his help - ie he will help you when and how HE wants (regardless of if it is actually helpful, iyswim) and is angry if you are not grateful.

tethersend your post made me cry (in a good way).
I think you are right. Without going into details here, you are SO right.

I have just had to go up as he was shouting. Ds had wet the bed.
He isn't shouting now. But I always have to be there to keep it calm.
He is taking the children to his parents this weekend. I am not invited.
They are excited, and whilst his mother is never at all warm to me, she will be kind to the children. I expect it will be fine, but I should feel more confident than this, shouldn't I?

Now I am typing it all out, it sounds awful Blush

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FunnyHowThingsWorkOut · 28/05/2015 21:20

God, what a twat.

StuffYouAllInTheCrust · 28/05/2015 21:52

You poor girl! I have to agree with the others and say I think your 'D'h sounds like a prize twat. You don't deserve that treatment, he should be there backing you up when it's clear this man is trying to intimated you! (A man who is almost guaranteed to crap in his pants should a bloke open the door to him!) I'd pack him off to his 'family' and see if he can find his spine whilst he's at it. Please contact 101 if you're frightened sweet. Flowers

JamForTea · 28/05/2015 22:07

Oh love Sad. It sounds like now you have started writing about your pathetic husband, it has all started to pour out, like poison. It sounds horrendous. What are you thinking of doing?

tethersend · 28/05/2015 22:08

I'm sorry, iHAVE- I didn't mean to make you cry. I just want you to know that you are not responsible for the things people do/have done to you Flowers

You deserve to be happy.

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