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Affair Part 5 - fab phee kicks arse wearing her skinny jeans

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OpheliaRose · 19/05/2015 21:02

Many you will have read my threads 1 2 3 4

A month ago I discovered my Husband had been having an affair with a girl from his work. I thought it was one of the most painful moments of my life but the subsequent day where far more painful when the full extent of his betrayal was exposed to me and he has shown no remorse or sorrow over the loss of our marriage in fact he has left me for the OW

I have started divorce procedures on the grounds of adultery each day is proving a struggle but I am getting through it with the help of all of you.

All I want when this is over is for me and my Twins to be happy. We all deserve so much better than him

OP posts:
laurierf · 01/06/2015 09:39

Phee… there is knowing someone and 'knowing' someone… he said he never thought she'd act on the flirting and take it to the next level because she was such a 'nice girl'… shows how well he judged her character.

It is important that they spend time with their father, but a week away from you at this stage sounds like too much to be honest… a week away from you with a new 'mother figure'… NO! How disorientating would that be?!

TheRachel · 01/06/2015 10:24

Not insane at all. You are also not being unreasonable at all! I would never agree to this. He should not have put that question to you until at least October time imo and even then you wouldn't be unreasonable to say no.

eminthebigsmoke · 01/06/2015 10:34

It is not unreasonable - there's a massive difference for the twins between daddy taking us away without mummy, and daddy taking us away with his new family. The first is bad, the second is undoubtably worse. Don't let concern that you might appear bitter cloud your gut instinct.

Good luck with mediation Flowers

laurierf · 01/06/2015 10:56

Yes, remember Balloon's post:

ELIANASGRANNY · 01/06/2015 11:01

Phee, please don't let your innate decency stop you from doing what you instinctively know is right for your children. Good gentle people get crapped on all the time by those "Hail Fellow Well Met" types who breeze through life demanding their own way, to the detriment of everyone else. Just as your husband is doing. The speed with which he's expecting you - and the twins - to adapt to his new life is not only cruel, but could prove very damaging. Stand up for yourself girl.

Remember too, mediation is purely an attempt to sort things amicably. Nothing is set in stone, and you are in a position to disagree with anything, at any time. Good luck......and find that fight!

paddymcgintysmum · 01/06/2015 11:28

He's implanting October in your brain but that's just the end result.
After you agree, he'll let it die down for maybe four weeks and then suggest the twins start getting used to the OW and her kid. "After all, they'll be with us for a week so where's the harm?" So I reckon more like August for sleep overs at her place.
You can avoid that by saying NO from the off, otherwise you'll get dragged along by the tide.

If he was a half decent man he'd arrange a holiday with the twins and his parents, not with his WF! He'd go on holiday with her and her kid only.

Dumdedumdedum · 01/06/2015 12:06

You are not insane, hr is unreasonable. Please don't let him steamroller you into doing anything your instinct tells you is wrong for the children.

vertigo · 01/06/2015 13:10

Morning,
Hope you are feeling better. It's so grim having anything extra at this surreal time and place in this. I wrote the longest post on Saturday night vi iphone but it hasn't appeared and I had to calm down for a day else it would have looked like I was cross and abrupt for all the wrong reasons...You are getting v good advice - props to Laurierf and BalloonSlayer especially.

I also suggest a quick call to the lawyer you like regarding any experience of overnight access and young ages. More in a sec on that.

Mediation is your friend OP - that's not to say that it "goes your way" but it puts your DTs back in pole position - in fact I recommend that you bring a photo of them to mediation. Make real the two little souls also affected by daddy and the cock chobbler's selfish acts and that - through you and the mediator - their best interests can be worked out in this new raw change.

Mediators will have heard every star struck-lovers-held-back-yet-more-by-the-jealous-ex story. It holds no sway (neither do spurious reasons of a hurt ex either to be fair) and they are good at their job and focused. That said - anything unpalatable that gets said - don't feel railroaded (or expect him to think nicely of you if you agree!) have a mantra along the lines of "I will take that notion away and think on it for a few days."

You have a reasonable right to satisfy yourself that this relationship of theirs has legs post exposure (it is, imo, important that you discovered the relationship and all this is a consequence of that - you have no knowing what/if it might have been revealed and, as a consequence an end to your marriage or not.) Without the oxygen of the thrill of secrecy there have been well documented high percentages of this fizzling out.

KEY - and mediation should stress it - is that DCs shouldn't be used as messengers. The day if/when they are to meet OW you should be made aware prior to it so you can compose yourself - and make their little world ok (even if yours isn't - wine/friends/counselling/sleep aid for that). Ie they come back and say we met OW and you can say - yes daddy said you were going to the park, how was it? Instead of trying to reign in shock/anger/nausea which will make them think they have done something to you.

It is hard. And please be brave - try to be rational and listen, make notes (although a summary will be sent) and not make snide or teary remarks etc. Try to hold together and not be emotional (it's not pleasant sitting opposite an unrecognisable rancid stranger who once was your lovely husband).

star tip Go in solutions based ie You understand and will help to ensure your DTs have a healthy stable relationship with their father as this is best for them and he and they love each other. You see this, at their age, and on sound research and legal advice, as little but often at this stage and so you propose 2 afternoons + tea with a return to you at bedtime (perhaps - I did - you can go for a small walk whilst he puts them to bed but you may not be able to suffer him anywhere in your space or he might riffle through stuff). And you will review this in 6 months in this forum to ensure both he and YOU keep DTs needs uppermost. You know that he loves the children and will want their the best for them and YOU have had time to research what that best-for-them is, and with help of you - lovely mediator (ie he has been too busy having penis attended to to think of anything else.) You will not, however, be green lighting a holiday with OW at this stage so October is off permanently and, for future ref, you will need to be consulted on times and not have hand forced by a booking being made and then you told - this is not to put a spanner in the works but to ascertain that they are well/nothing going on re nursery that needs dealing with etc/you yourself have not made plans

What are the Dts personalities Ophelia? That too - has a bearing on when is right - a shy DC will adjust less well allegedly than an outgoing one.

Also - more key now before he jumps the gun with week long holidays - is what they know re their home life and how it should be told with respect to their age. That is first and should be the bulk of the meeting!!

My Dcs seemed to be offered as yet more gifts to the fabulous OW. The final gift if you like. Not to say he doesn't love them but the cock waving that happened re access was male swagger and based on this to begin with.

Three last things:
I would say you wish to have documented that, whilst he may well admire (although has he even seen it!!) OW parenting, it is you and he only involved in DT parenting.

Do consider docs for sleep aid/anxiety. I took citalopram and it helped enormously (not for depression but anxiety - took a while to learn to switch off as wasn't used to being sole adult sleeper in house so twittery.) Also it helped calm down the pecking night-birds of what-now?, money, job, house, work that get to your head in the 4ams.

Finance and access are separated into different sessions ime. Prevents any trading which is held in v dim view. I am sure your lawyer will have mentioned but a court can order a sale not to take place until the youngest is 18 or left full-time education whichever is the latter. I would suggest he gifts his half to the DTs to show a long term financial commitment!

Hope it goes well and there is some comfort at the end from having some ground rules in place that you were involved in.

When is it?

vertigo · 01/06/2015 13:20

Blessed, Gerti, Onehand, Rosie...Good advice and support for you OP. Nice Ps all.

HollyJollyDillydolly · 01/06/2015 13:30

Hope the mediation goes ok and it isn't too difficult for you.

Phoenix0x0 · 01/06/2015 13:39

Just caught up.

Wow, what a twunt he is!

Nothing really to add to the great advise you have been given already.

Please remember to be kind to yourself and consider the needs of your children/yourself over that of twunt features.

He is their father. However, he cannot dictate terms.

OpheliaRose · 01/06/2015 16:18

Thank you all for your amazing posts.

I'm about to drive home from the mediation session so will update fully once in home and the twins are safely fed / in bed

OP posts:
Chipshopninja · 01/06/2015 16:41

Will wait for your update Phee, really hope it went well for you x

anotherbusybee · 01/06/2015 16:54

Willing you on, Fab Phee. You are doing awesome!

Praying all went well today for you

AndyWarholsOrange · 01/06/2015 17:05

Phee You are getting some wonderful advice and I'm glad it's helping. Please please don't ever apologise for not updating or for anything else. This thread is for you and about you. There will always be someone here when you want to talk but you don't owe any of us anything xx

MaMaof04 · 01/06/2015 17:31

Dear Phee- I hope the twins will sleep early today and that you will be able to relax a bit and process all the mediation session.
Hugs and Flowers Flowers Flowers

Ledkr · 01/06/2015 18:22

I think that going away with their dad is one thing although maybe still not ideal, but for them to be away from you, with their recently absent father and a total stranger and older child they don't know woukd be a terrible thing for them to deal with. The confusion woukd be that he has left their family unit and now apparently has another.
I cannot imagine how their poor little heads would cope with that.
Totally reasonable to veto this.
I do hope you're ok after today xx

Christinayanglah · 01/06/2015 18:42

I hope it went well x

FriendofBill · 01/06/2015 19:58

Here for you Ophelia. Xxx

HexBramble · 01/06/2015 20:45

Me too, Phee.
Put the kettle on when your LO's are asleep and gather your thoughts.
Really hoping you're ok.

Ledkr · 01/06/2015 21:55

Oh dear.
Am I the only one thinking things didn't go well?
Poor phee. This thread is one of the worst ones I've ever seen on mn.
I cannot imagine how phee is coping.
Just know phee that one day this will all be a horrible memory and you will have a happy life again.
I promise.

MaMaof04 · 01/06/2015 22:03

Phee love, I have to go to sleep. I have to get up very early tomorrow. I have been checking on you up to now.

Post only when it is convenient for you. We are here for you whenever you feel you want to turn to us. Good Night dear! Flowers

winkywinkola · 01/06/2015 22:07

Mad to say no to a holiday for your twins with your h and his wf? Not at all.

For one, he ditched them pretty quickly for this creepy woman.

Two, I absolutely wouldn't trust him to parent them properly as he is so obsessed with this creature. He wouldn't prioritise them over her. He hasn't so far.

Three. They would not be at all happy for so long without their mum and with a strange woman.

It's a bad idea they go away with him and her.

He's failed miserably at being a good dad so far.

Christinayanglah · 01/06/2015 22:09

Perhaps she is drained from today and can't talk anymore about it

AndyWarholsOrange · 01/06/2015 22:13

Phee, I have dreadful insomnia most of the time and wake up every 1-2 hours. I know I don't have the wisdom or experience of a lot of the wonderful ladies on this thread but, if you post in the middle of the night, I'll be around to read it. But, like I said earlier, there's absolutely no pressure on you to feel you have to post updates if you don't feel like it.
If you could channel all the support and love there is out there for you, you could power a large factory for a month. Thinking of you and beautiful DTs xx

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