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Are the "rules" different if DH is a "genius"?

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EquityDarling · 19/05/2015 17:56

name change for this one...

I have been together for 8 years (married for 6) to a DH who is generally acknowledged (although not by himself) to be a "genius". With a few details changed to avoid outing but convey the essence, he is a renowned artist (in a very specialist field), a widely published faculty member at a top university and a leading campaigner on a particular political/social issue who is often interviewed in the press/asked to give evidence to select committees etc. His intelligence and talent was obvious from an early age, making him something of a freak child, which his lower middle class aspirational parents did not deal with well - they were embarrassed by his "weirdness" and constantly put him down so that he is utterly lacking in self-confidence and can have trust issues and react in a very hostile manner to anything he perceives as criticism. He has an incredibly strong sense of justice and fairness, hence the campaigning work in an area which is often difficult, unpopular and makes him lots of enemies.

I am definitively NOT any kind of genius, just an averagely bright professional from a happy, stable family.

DH and I in many ways have a really fantastic relationship - he is so fascinating, massively enthusiastic, really interested in my views on everything and flatteringly attracted to me sexually. But when he goes through a period of extended stress, which is happening at the moment, due to various issues of principle related to university politics and the wider issue on which he campaigns, he can be very difficult to live with. I have no problem with the things which are upsetting him - he is quite justified to think they are shockingly hypocritical and corrupt and I share his concern about them - but his anger and upset has simply taken over our lives to a degree which is really driving me down. He has immense energy, hardly sleeps and wants/needs to talk about what is bad and wrong and how down it is making him, around the clock. I feel as though the only place I can get any peace is at work.

We have had some counselling (both joint and separate) and I have found that my best coping mechanism is an approach called "radical acceptance", whereby I have to let him talk it out without trying to 'solve' the problem, accept that if we go out with friends he will often spend the evening staring angrily at his phone, posting furiously on various specialist discussion boards, or ranting about how awful something is until it fills up the whole of the space. The same happens if we go to see my family or if he and I go away for the weekend. Basically I accept what I can't change and draw a few agreed boundaries where I can, for example he no longer calls me at work for long rants and has mostly stopped waking me up in the middle of the night to tell me things. I (sort of) knew this was what I was getting into when I married him and I know he genuinely cannot help it, but I am beginning to doubt my ability to see this through in the long term, particularly since the issues currently enraging him aren't going to go away.

I do not believe this is emotional abuse as it is not calculating or manipulative, he is simply overtaken by the strength of his emotions and finds it very hard to self-sooth, but I am wondering whether I am letting my own needs slide to a degree which is damaging. Please be gentle lovely Mumsnetters but advice would be appreciated...

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EquityDarling · 19/05/2015 19:03

The psychiatrist apparently says medication not always recommended for bipolar II as they may have the side effect of inducing the type of mania seen with bipolar I. I really DO NOT fancy the prospect of that...

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AnyFucker · 19/05/2015 19:04

If his behaviour is unacceptable to you then that is all you need to know

whatever the justifications for it....genius, bad childhood, poor parenting by his own parents, shafted by an exW blah blah blah decide where your boundaries are and act accordingly

EquityDarling · 19/05/2015 19:06

Thanks Not - most of the time I think he is worth the effort but just occasionally it all becomes a bit much.

NettleTea - that has occurred to me (and others) in the past but I don't think so - he has lots of traits, like being intensely sociable (with people he is interested in!) that are not typical.

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EquityDarling · 19/05/2015 19:08

Thanks AnyFucker. I'm not trying to justify his behaviour, I suppose it's just that this relationship has changed me in some ways (doesn't any meaningful relationship do that to us?) and it's a case of me working out whether it's overall for better or worse.

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NotSureThisIsWhatIWant · 19/05/2015 19:08

We have aspergers in the family, both of them are very social extroverts, so don't assume that all aspies are shy people keeping to their own work.

MeganBacon · 19/05/2015 19:16

Your post has resonated with me because I grew up with a family member who was a mathematical genius but who was a very unusual, often difficult person and definitely not emotionally clever. I think you have to be careful that you do not make very large allowances for him on the basis of admiring his intellect. There is nothing to stop a clever person recognising what is acceptable, sociable behaviour and working to maintain a healthy respectful relationship with his wife. In fact, surely he would find this basic activity easier than the rest of us mere mortals, if only he wanted to? Being clever should not qualify him to behave according to a different set of standards. Being nice to your spouse is far more important. If there is some MH issue, this is surely quite separate to his IQ.

SolidGoldBrass · 19/05/2015 19:17

TBH I think this man needs a good kick in the cock. I agree with you that he is not a bog-standard domestic abuser, because he's clearly given himself permission to be horrible to everyone who isn't as special and wonderful as he is.
It is true that a lot of people who have achieved great things are, actually, hell on earth to live with, whether it's down to their entitlement or their obsessive focus on whatever the Great Things are. To an extent, most nice people don't, actually, create really Great Things because they aren't sufficiently focussed, and the world does need its percentage of brilliant arseholes.
However, other people don't have to simply suck up the arseholery long term for the sake of the brilliance. You matter, too. It is OK to reach a point at which you decide that enough is enough, you can continue to admire and maybe even love this man, but you're not going to carry on living with him.

NotSureThisIsWhatIWant · 19/05/2015 19:20

SGB i'm going to orint your post and frame it Grin

Facelikeafriendlyapple · 19/05/2015 19:20

Is there anyway you can get some time on your own? A week away? A week lodging with a friend if you don't want to use holiday? Just to give you a break and a bit of breathing time? Living apart-together might be a useful longer term plan (London complexities aside).

minkGrundy · 19/05/2015 19:21

Antidepressants (alone) are not tecommended for bipolar 2. However, there are other things. Valium or sleeping pills just to stop him staying up all night. A couple of good nights sleep can make a difference to hypomania.
Also mood stabilisers although that is a bit more full on.

The constant talking, agitation and waking up at night sounds more like hypomania than a depressive episode. Hypomania does not always come with euphoria somtimes it makes the sufferer quite angry and irritable.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 19/05/2015 19:21

I thought Aspergers too.

EquityDarling · 19/05/2015 19:26

That's a bit unfair SolidGold - he in fact has great issues with accepting that he is in any way special or different (he things everyone could do what he does if they had the opportunity and encouragement), and spends an inordinate amount of time (far more than other people in similar positions) helping his students and young people starting out in his profession. He is incredibly kind, gives endless time and support to them and part of his frustrations arise from how self-serving and frankly abusive and corrupt other people in his world can be. I work in an an industry which I consider pretty hard-nosed but I am gobsmacked by some of the horrendous behaviour which goes on in the arts and academia.

It's not that he is on an ego-trip - the issues he is angry about are very real problems but it is more that he is unable to manage his anger and frustration. The only people he is "horrible" to and falls out with are people in positions of power and influence who he feels don't behave ethically.

Most of the time he is lovely to me, it's just the atmosphere of living with him in angry-mode which is difficult.

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EquityDarling · 19/05/2015 19:27

Thanks minkGrundy - that's very interesting. I might pick a calm moment and raise it with him.

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EquityDarling · 19/05/2015 19:28

ps. SolidGold - just realised my reply was a bit snappy - I also meant to say thanks for the support.

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ouryve · 19/05/2015 19:30

The rules are most definitely not different.

What his "genius" is manifesting as is extreme obsession and a distinct lack of boundaries. It is possible to be extremely intelligent and/or to care passionately about an issue and to care about and respect other people enough for them to not be a distant second to your grand ideas.

Many people with Aspergers can have similar problems with the way their internal dialogue presents to people close to them. The difference is that many people with Aspergers take great pains to learn to spot when they're boring someone or allowing an obsession to intrude on other parts of their life. It's not easy, but it can be done, even by people who have enormous difficulties in this area.

NameChange30 · 19/05/2015 19:33

Obviously the rules aren't different because he's a "genius". He doesn't sound emotionally intelligent, tbh. As PPs have said, it must be exhausting for both of you. Does he realise that his obsessiveness isn't healthy? I do think he needs to learn coping mechanisms to switch off from work or whatever issues are getting to him. For his own sake but also for yours. I think in your position I would insist that he gets some good counselling. Maybe get couple's counselling too?

geekymommy · 19/05/2015 19:37

If he were Isaac Newton, he might at least have mercury poisoning as an excuse.

Does he always not sleep much, or is that something that comes and goes? Having spells of not sleeping much and being irritable might be symptoms of bipolar disorder, which is treatable. This might be something he should talk to a GP or psychiatrist about. Calling you at work or waking you up to rant about something that doesn't really have anything to do with you isn't normal behaviour.

You might want to consider asking him not to be on his phone when you're out with friends, or at least not to go to specialist discussion boards at those times. A lot of people would think that was kind of rude.

Galvanised · 19/05/2015 19:38

Another vote for aspergers, plenty of people with aspergers are highly social with those that share the same interests. Your view of autism/aspergers is a bit out of date I think.
It would account for the intense passion for a narrow range of subjects, and the anxiety. And of course the intellectual capabilities (stereotype warning!).

EquityDarling · 19/05/2015 19:38

We've had both individual and couples counselling AnotherEmma. That's how I adopted the "radical acceptance" strategy of letting him talk it out, subject to certain boundaries (after years of me trying to reason with him when stressed which just led to rows) and his individual counsellor also made his his recent referral to the psychiatrist who suggested bipolar.

I think we are doing what we can to try and make this work as best we can given the situation - I'm just wondering whether this strategy is workable for me in the long term. I think the most useful suggestion on here so far (although thanks to everyone!) might be the living apart. In an ideal world I would buy/rent one of the other flats in our building and have a hallway between us so I can "go home" after dinner.

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EquityDarling · 19/05/2015 19:39

I know it's rude geekymommy. But when I used to try and stop him we always had rows so now I just "accept" that behaviour, don't try to change what I can't and try to focus on the good stuff.

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TheHobbit · 19/05/2015 19:42

Bipolar definitely. My partner is exactly like yours without the career yours has but also genius level. Mine has been prescribed rispiridone which is working wonders with no side effects.

NameChange30 · 19/05/2015 19:43

Sorry speed-read and missed/forgot that you've done counselling already. Well, he is getting the help he needs but it might be too late for you? As you've borne the brunt of it for so long. If you can't afford to live separately, maybe you need to put stricter boundaries in place? For example put a time limit on how long he can rant for, have "protected time" when certain topics aren't allowed (eg dinner time), he has to leave his smartphone at home when you go out socially, etc...

cleanmyhouse · 19/05/2015 19:49

Hi OP.

He sounds a LOT like my ex, who has a diagnosis of BPD. Often it is managed, but when stress hits, he goes off the scale. He doesn't sleep and it all becomes about THE INJUSTICE OF IT ALL. I mostly agree with him about the injustice, but it becomes a crusade for him until he is exhausted, depressed and has alienated himself from everyone around him.

He thought he was bipolar for years, but the BPD diagnosis fits better.

EquityDarling · 19/05/2015 19:49

Thanks TheHobbit - does your partner have Bipolar I or II?

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NameChange30 · 19/05/2015 19:51

Also you say he has "mostly" stopped waking you up at night... The key word there being "mostly". What do you do when he wakes you up? I'd be pretty angry. And how do you respond to other situations?
If he starts arguing/ranting at an event or social gathering, could you just leave?