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DH has left again

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AndHarry · 17/05/2015 08:34

Third time in as many years. He sat me down last night and said he was unhappy and thought we should separate. I asked him what he was unhappy about and what I needed to change. It was difficult to pin him down to anything but then it came out: he wants me to do things for him like sew buttons back onto his shirts and fix his trousers when there's a hole in the pocket or the hem has dropped. That's it. He wants to put me through all this again because of a few buttons. It's so incredibly pathetic I would laugh if I wasn't crying.

What it actually boils down to is that he wants to feel respected as the manly head of the household, even if he hasn't put it like that. As I told him last night, it's difficult to respect him when I feel like his mother: organising everything, picking up after him, reminding him of essential things that need doing for the kids, coming into the kitchen many days to find it full of dirty crockery from the day(s) before (I cook, he washes up), struggle to tidy up because the bins are overflowing (his job) and have to cajole him into coming out with the kids instead of sticking on a DVD and lying on the sofa all weekend. I have tried and tried in as many ways as I could think of to make things easy for him and do things for him but get ground down by the sheer laziness of his response. The more I do, the less he bothers.

I said I would do everything around the house if that would stop the arguments and resentment, just to be stonewalled with 'it won't work'. I asked him to try doing the household chores he had agreed to do, consistently, and got 'it won't work'.

I pointed out that I had supported him in going to the gym every morning before work and going out with his friends several nights a week so that he gets his own time. Apparently 'it's not that'.

I said how hurt I was that he had complained about what I cooked so I only made the things he said he wanted but he still orders pizza for himself. How hurt I am that when I did as he asked and made his lunches he didn't eat them, preferring to get fast food instead. 'Shrug'.

The fact is that he has a pretty cushy life but, as he repeatedly points out, he is the 'breadwinner' while I only work because I want to, so anything wrong around the house is immediately my fault for not being wifely enough.

I ended up screaming into my pillow with sheer frustration. He didn't come to bed and this morning he wasn't in the house and his car has gone.

Another fall to the tax office to sort out tax credits tomorrow. Another time trying to keep myself together for the kids, dealing with their anxieties over their dad being gone, pretending that he's in meetings or at the gym every evening. Dealing with my parents' disappointment again.

I'm sorry this is an essay. I don't want anything, just needed to get it out.

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MozzchopsThirty · 17/05/2015 08:51

Oh poor you Hmm your OP reads like a joke! How long have you lived like this? Making everything right for him but nothing right for you.

My marriage was as shit as yours and it takes real strength to end it. But he's left so that's half your battle!

Don't think you're not strong enough to cope, currently you're looking after 3dcs!!!! Trust me, you'll do it, and you'll have one less person to look after.
Go on the holiday on your own, you'll all enjoy it far more.

I'm two years down the line now, having a relationship with a wonderful man, my dcs are far happier now they live in a stress free household

Don't have him back, you deserve more, love yourself Smile

RandomMess · 17/05/2015 08:52

He needs to carry on paying at least 50% to the mortgage as well. Are you going to be able to afford to stay?

tribpot · 17/05/2015 08:53

So much for him as the Great Provider, then. Useless twat can't even get that right. Why on earth did you leave bill paying in his hands after the first time?

tipsytrifle · 17/05/2015 08:55

If he hasn't taken any of his stuff with him, I was assuming he's just taken himself out for the day. Did you mean he's "gone" gone? Probably you don't know but it might be worth planning what you might say if he returns (perhaps for lunch?)

AndHarry · 17/05/2015 08:58

I don't know if I have reached the point of letting it go. When he went before, he slept at his office (his own company) and I felt bad for him.

When the kids were babies he did help a lot. I was on my knees with PND and he stepped up, mostly. In the past few months there have been some times when I've needed a break and he has taken them out to give me some space. When I ask him to do something like that, he almost always does it and I'm grateful for that. It's the constant asking for him to do the basics that grinds me down and then he holds those times up to show that he does a lot. I can't make him see that it's the everyday life bits that are the issue.

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AndHarry · 17/05/2015 09:00

I earn a decent salary for part-time but I don't know if I can afford to stay. My parents won't let us be made homeless but I feel like a failure for relying on them to come to the rescue when I'm an adult and should be standing on my own two feet.

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Stitchintime1 · 17/05/2015 09:02

Ach, I'd let him go. If you take him back, he'll probably do it again anyway. Good luck with your future.

tipsytrifle · 17/05/2015 09:06

Maybe you could take control of the situation? That would involve texting him to say as of now he should stay away for a set period of time. Forever would be cool but you aren't sure if it's time to let go yet. With a bit of space you might become clearer. Might be an idea to talk with your parents today?

tribpot · 17/05/2015 09:08

He slept in the office SO THAT you would feel bad for him.

I'm not surprised there have been 'some times' when you've needed a break, you are doing around 95% (if not more) of the parenting, aren't you? Whilst he's in the gym before work, out several nights a week and then lazing around at the weekend watching DVDs.

AndHarry · 17/05/2015 09:09

After the first time I made sure we set up a joint account and paid bills from that. The second time, I saw that the payments had bounced but he told me he'd paid from his business account or made arrangements with the companies and swore blind that was the case when I started opening the debt letters.

I must sound pathetic, I'm sorry.

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MozzchopsThirty · 17/05/2015 09:18

Wow he stepped up when you had PND go him!!!!!

You sound like I used to, don't you realise that this is what any self respecting human would do, it doesn't make all the other shit you're putting up with ok!

WeirdCatLady · 17/05/2015 09:19

You don't sound pathetic at all. You sound like a great mum, a strong woman who has been ground down by this loser.
Please find your anger at the ridiculous manner in which he behaves.
I certainly wouldn't have him back, he adds nothing but stress to your life xx

Flowers and Cake for you

SanityClause · 17/05/2015 09:22

Do you think he might have got into financial difficulties again, but he is embarrassed to tell you, so he is trying to make it all your fault?

It sounds like you have had some really tough years, and he just isn't stepping up to the mark. As making The Money is such an important thing in his world order, he obviously knows he's made a mess of it, so now he wants to put you down for the bits he sees as your domain (the button stitching, FFS) to prove that you're just as crap at your bit, as he is, at his.

Also, you only work, because you want to? Does that mean you get to keep all your own money, as "pin money" then, or does it go into the family pot to pay for the bills that he forgets about?

I think you really would be better off without him, and he knows it. I think if he was prepared to make the kind of adjustments you have made (ensuring he gets free time, cooking meals he likes) you might have a chance. But I don't think he is. He other doesn't see it, or doesn't want to see it.

If both of you wanted to improve things, I could see that some kind of couples counselling might work. You've had a hard time, and probably got into difficult patterns of behaviour. But the problem with this is, you both need to want to make it work. Do you think he would want to do what it took, or would he just want you to make all the changes?

Fluffycloudland77 · 17/05/2015 09:26

It sounds like you're coping alone already plus being his mummy too.

He's nitpicking, I don't do any of those "wifely" things for Dh but he's still here.

He's very financially irresponsible by the sounds of it too. Cut him loose before he takes you with him. Your parents would probably rather help you and the kids get back on your feet than help all four of you because he spent it all on sweeties.

AndHarry · 17/05/2015 09:27

We had marriage counselling 2 years ago and all of this was said. He made some changes for a couple of weeks, then it slipped again. At the time I was in the throes of PND and it came across as it being me who was being a screaming, raging cow who needed to be mentally well again before anything would work.

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ShipwreckedAndComatose · 17/05/2015 09:28

You don't sound pathetic, you are trying to deal with a man child on top of everything else.

Of course he didn't have to stay in his office, tribpot is right.

I would go to your parents. There is no weakness in taking help when you need it. That is what family is for.

And please don't allow this fuckwit to do this to you and your kids again Flowers

AndHarry · 17/05/2015 09:28

I know his business is in a tough patch right now and I do wonder what's going on but he hasn't said anything and I'm reluctant to probe, because if it is going wrong then I will go mad trying to prompt him into sensible actions and watching him fail to do them.

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tribpot · 17/05/2015 09:29

Why were you having marriage counselling just after having a baby? You had PND, how could you possibly be well enough for marriage counselling?

Starlightbright1 · 17/05/2015 09:33

My Ex left once and I let him back to be honest it made things worse as he felt he would be able to come and go and I would accept any old crap.

One thing I learnt was no matter how hard you work on your marriage if only one tries it won't work.

I also read the what do I need to do to make it better...He is looking to blame you and you are taking it.

Be strong and don't let him back..

It is tough but you deserve much more
Flowers

Stitchintime1 · 17/05/2015 09:37

I know PND is very different, but I stopped being depressed when I got divorced. Sometimes, the reason we are so down is staring us right in the face. Marriage is such a powerful insitution that it's very hard to reject it. You sound like a real trier. You offer to change, you try to forgive, you feel guilty about how you behave and so on. Sometimes though - and I learned this on MN - people who are strong and determined to fix things and make things work don't know when to let go. Sometimes letting go is the right thing to do. Do what you need to do for you and your children. Stop making his feelings your priority.

AndHarry · 17/05/2015 10:25

Marriage counselling was something I asked for.

I'm at church now. The kids are in their lessons so I'm having some time just to sit and reel a bit.

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AndHarry · 17/05/2015 10:36

What do I want? I want to be in a marriage where I take pleasure in doing nice things for my husband, and think about how to make his life happy, knowing that he does the same for me and the children.

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TheoriginalLEM · 17/05/2015 10:40

oh he has done such a lovely thing. Seriously he couldn't have done you a greater kindness than fucking off to the far side of fuck. lets hope he stays gone this time.

QuintShhhhhh · 17/05/2015 10:41

Based on this thread, this marriage you want, cannot be achieved with this man. If that is your highest wish, you know what you need to do. Sad

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