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DH has left again

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AndHarry · 17/05/2015 08:34

Third time in as many years. He sat me down last night and said he was unhappy and thought we should separate. I asked him what he was unhappy about and what I needed to change. It was difficult to pin him down to anything but then it came out: he wants me to do things for him like sew buttons back onto his shirts and fix his trousers when there's a hole in the pocket or the hem has dropped. That's it. He wants to put me through all this again because of a few buttons. It's so incredibly pathetic I would laugh if I wasn't crying.

What it actually boils down to is that he wants to feel respected as the manly head of the household, even if he hasn't put it like that. As I told him last night, it's difficult to respect him when I feel like his mother: organising everything, picking up after him, reminding him of essential things that need doing for the kids, coming into the kitchen many days to find it full of dirty crockery from the day(s) before (I cook, he washes up), struggle to tidy up because the bins are overflowing (his job) and have to cajole him into coming out with the kids instead of sticking on a DVD and lying on the sofa all weekend. I have tried and tried in as many ways as I could think of to make things easy for him and do things for him but get ground down by the sheer laziness of his response. The more I do, the less he bothers.

I said I would do everything around the house if that would stop the arguments and resentment, just to be stonewalled with 'it won't work'. I asked him to try doing the household chores he had agreed to do, consistently, and got 'it won't work'.

I pointed out that I had supported him in going to the gym every morning before work and going out with his friends several nights a week so that he gets his own time. Apparently 'it's not that'.

I said how hurt I was that he had complained about what I cooked so I only made the things he said he wanted but he still orders pizza for himself. How hurt I am that when I did as he asked and made his lunches he didn't eat them, preferring to get fast food instead. 'Shrug'.

The fact is that he has a pretty cushy life but, as he repeatedly points out, he is the 'breadwinner' while I only work because I want to, so anything wrong around the house is immediately my fault for not being wifely enough.

I ended up screaming into my pillow with sheer frustration. He didn't come to bed and this morning he wasn't in the house and his car has gone.

Another fall to the tax office to sort out tax credits tomorrow. Another time trying to keep myself together for the kids, dealing with their anxieties over their dad being gone, pretending that he's in meetings or at the gym every evening. Dealing with my parents' disappointment again.

I'm sorry this is an essay. I don't want anything, just needed to get it out.

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AndHarry · 19/05/2015 15:01

Thanks, I hope so. When we were talking yesterday he was shocked that it was final. That was the impression I got from what he said when he left but apparently he was thinking this was a bit of a break so we could take time to think about what needed to change. I told him that his behaviour was unacceptable and said that I would be divorcing him.

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Jenda · 19/05/2015 15:15

My parents separated for similar reasons, but more debt and less dating! My mum was amazing, we moved house and she bought herself a drill and went all feminist! We lost out in no way from not having our Dad around and Mum was free and strong and pretty inspiring even though I was only young. Don't look back

Fluffycloudland77 · 19/05/2015 15:15

He was expecting you to have bought John Lewis's entire haberdashery department perhaps? Wink

Years ago I knew a woman whose Dh fucked off with one of their kids friends mums. They had a house etc but no carpet on the floors so a bit rundown, it'd been like that for years.

10 years later she had two businesses and a very well decorated house.

tribpot · 19/05/2015 15:36

apparently he was thinking this was a bit of a break so we could take time to think about what needed to change

No doubt he fully intended to reflect on his piss poor behaviour, his deceit and his general lack of care. And of course resolve to do much better in future.

NOT.

What was meant to happen what was your first reaction showed. You were meant to tie yourself up in knots working out how you'd failed so badly as a wife and promising to provide a better service in future, expecting even less in return. Then he could return and (if he announced it at all) say 'btw, couple of grand down - debts, you know, blah blah' and you'd be so much on the back foot, so convinced your marriage depending on your submissiveness and acceptance of him as a flawed human being, that you'd have no choice but to say 'oh okay I know we did say you wouldn't do that again but these things will happen'.

Well played, OP. You can't let him rob you of your self-respect along with your financial security.

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 19/05/2015 16:16

Yes, what's this 'we' business?

he seemed to spent a lot of time telling you what you had to do to shape up in the marriage!

Knob.

juneau · 19/05/2015 16:49

When we were talking yesterday he was shocked that it was final.

Yes, I bet he was! He was probably hoping you'd be begging and pleading with him to move back in. Good for you OP. You sounds strong and together and you're doing and saying the right things. Be sure to get support from those around you - don't carry all this yourself. I know if my sister/friend was going through something like this I'd want to help, but perhaps wouldn't know how - so reach out to people Flowers Wine

poppym12 · 19/05/2015 17:00

i think it does come as a bit of a shock to them that good old reliable 'puts up with anything' wife will actually start divorce proceedings. a sudden rush of reality and having to grow up. don't be swayed by his reaction as its a knee-jerk and he will not suddenly change or become a decent adult.

Lweji · 19/05/2015 22:07

Good for you. :)

Yes, he thought it would be a break. That you'd beg him to go back, and bend over backwards to keep him, forgiving him for the debts, possible unfaithfulness and so on. Because he's such a prize.
It sounds like he tried a preemptive strike and it badly backfired.

AspieAndNT · 20/05/2015 12:21

Oh yes. A bit of a break translate's as living the single life for a while always knowing he had his meek downtrodden wife waiting for him ..... ha! More fool him.

Don't be taken in by him. He has shown his true personality and that will always be the default.

winkywinkola · 20/05/2015 14:48

How did you feel when you saw it was a shock to him, op?

I am so impressed with your guts (so to speak!). You've had enough. And you're off. He can watch you go and only wonder.

Am in awe that you've taken back control.

AndHarry · 20/05/2015 17:41

I felt annoyed really. He walks out, telling me that there's nothing I can do to fix it (except mothering him even more) and that he's not prepared to make changes, he decided to sign up for a bit of extra-marital fun days before our daughter's birthday, which I organised and hosted predominantly for his large family, he has lied again and again about bills and debts and he still thinks he can pick me up again when he's had a few weeks to live in bachelor paradise? I think not.

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Lioninthesun · 20/05/2015 17:51

star

Exactly, well said OP!

Lioninthesun · 20/05/2015 17:52

Sorry! meant to be Star
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Lweji · 20/05/2015 19:47
Grin

I am really loving that you have taken the control from him and grabbed with both hands.

He may have been the one to walk out initially, but you are the one in charge, really. Feeling sorry for the guy, really not.

RandomMess · 20/05/2015 19:53

You'd almost think he was planning on having a week shagging around whilst you were away with the kids on holiday and you've blown that out the water...

tipsytrifle · 20/05/2015 23:49

You are awesome AndHarry ... shining and awesome Wine

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 21/05/2015 17:31

Love posts like yours, Harry. You are awesome!

Use the anger to keep focussed on what is best for you and your daughter

Rozalia · 21/05/2015 22:35

Each time they have been despairing. Followed by numb. Followed by 'mad as Hell'. Followed by finally feeling free but confused why they put up with it for so long.

So true Hoopla. I'm currently staggering around in the bright light of freedom and lack of Fuckwittery saying " Did that really happen? What was I thinking? I should have left years ago".

Congratulations Harry, I'm so impressed that you've wrested control from him.

AndHarry · 21/05/2015 22:42

Quick update for this rooting for me today (thanks again!). My mum is now going to come with us on holiday next week Star so I have adult company. H came to pick up some bits and pieces this afternoon and I think he might actually have started thinking about this properly. We had a brief discussion and agreed sadly that it was better to put a stop to this now than to put our family through this turmoil over and over again.

This week has been a bit of a roller coaster emotion-wise. Hugely upset on Sunday, buoyant on Monday, crushed on Tuesday, detatched on Wednesday, sad on Thursday... Today I've been thinking how much I still care about him but, as I've said to him, how I don't trust him and cannot keep going on like this. I told him that this is not what I wanted but the alternative is worse, which he agreed. I've got a lump in my throat just typing that :(

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Lweji · 21/05/2015 22:52

It's part of the process. Sad
But you will get through it and over it. Be kind to yourself.

Very glad your mother is going too. She sounds great. :)

poppym12 · 21/05/2015 22:54

stay strong and try to enjoy your break Flowers

Baconontomato · 24/05/2015 20:14

Inspirational.

foslady · 25/05/2015 17:44

Just found this thread - you are doing amazing OP - stay strong, and you will go from strength to strength, so glad you have said 'enough' to him and meant it

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AndHarry · 27/05/2015 21:10

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AndHarry · 27/05/2015 21:33

Brief update again. DM, the kids and I are on holiday and having a lovely time.

I've set the wheels in motion with a solicitor and should have the initial paperwork ready shortly after we get back.

I've told 4 close friends and they are being amazingly supportive.

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