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DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?

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CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:18

I have been with my DP for 2 years, we have a great relationship, I fancy him rotten, he is kind and caring, we get on great and he DOES make me really happy. I don’t know whether I’m just being a princess, trying to self-sabotage or what but sometimes it just seems like….well I don’t really know.

I guess I could start by saying that my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

When I say he was generous, he would sometimes buy me random, thoughtful presents just because he thought I’d like them. He would always insist on paying when we went out and I would literally have to put the cash for my half into his jacket pocket etc when he wasn’t looking. He would love to celebrate our anniversaries, birthdays etc and would book surprise weekends away or take me out to dinner.

Don’t get me wrong, because he was generous to me, I wanted to be generous to him too and was, I used to spoil him on his birthday and on our anniversary’s etc. It was just nice, I know it’s materialistic but we both just enjoyed treating each other.

Cut to current DP, he has a very good, professional job, earns a lot of money and has a lot of disposable income. He, however, is a saver not a spender. He kinda counts every penny and just, I don’t know, I can’t really explain it but it’s like he resents spending anything on me?

We don’t live together, he has his own (large house) and I currently rent a cottage off a family friend. After paying for my rent, bills and paying off some debts and the animals, I don’t have a vast amount left over each month, enough to have a couple of nights out a month etc but not loads.

Whenever we go out for dinner, it always has to be split, down to the last penny. If I can’t afford to pay half then we (generally, there have been a couple of exceptions) don’t go. There is hardly ever an offer of ‘let’s go out to dinner tonight, I’m paying.’

I stay at his 3, occasionally 4 nights a week, but on the majority of those evenings I bring dinner for us both and wine for myself if drinking it. I clean his house (he is generally tidy but a typical man and can be a bit messy) help to look after his 2 dogs.

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there. A few weeks ago he was going to Tesco and I asked him if he could pick me up some make up remover wipes and deodorant as I had ran out of both, he did. They came to a total of £4.90 and he reminded me about that £4.90 within about 15 mins after getting back, I was going to give him the money FGS but it’s £4, I’m sure he’s not going to go bankrupt if he doesn’t get it within the hour.

I will often pay for things if we go out and he’ll say ‘I’ll transfer you half when we get back.’ And I say ‘It’s fine, it’s only £10 FGS’ The other week we went to the cinema, there was a massive que and I said ‘I’ll get the tickets, why don’t you get in the que for the popcorn.’ He said ‘No it’s fine, the film doesn’t start for another 15 mins yet, we’ve got plenty of time’ So, we finally get to the front and it’s so awkward as before I can say anything he goes ‘Ticket for one please to see XXX.’ The cashier looked really embarrassed, looked at us both and repeated ‘Just the one ticket?’ to which I jumped in before he could say anything and said ‘YES and one for me please too after he’s paid for his.’ We then went to the que for food, I stood in front of him and said ‘I’m going to get a medium, mixed popcorn.’ He then said ‘So how much is that, £3.56, I’ll give you the £1.78 when we get home.’ I had had enough at this point as the couple stood behind us (same couple that had stood behind for the tickets too) I could tell were aghast and snapped IT’S FINE, I CAN TREAT YOU TO SOME BLUMMIN POPCORN!! He looked a bit sheepish but said no, I owe you it, I’ll pay half, which he did!

We had a talk when we got home that night as he could tell I was annoyed, I said we are in a relationship, I do not want to quibble over £1.78 etc, and count every penny, it’s ridiculous and embarrassing. He said okay, let’s take it in turns to pay for things. Fine, but it really is mostly rigid with that and he even keeps a ‘diary’ of who has paid what, it just feel so…… unromantic?? I don’t mind blummin paying for him and treating him to things because I love him, I don’t expect half back etc or for him to rigidly ensure he treats me the next time.

The thing is, although he’s careful with his money he will OCCASIONALLY be generous with me, i.e get the bill if we go out, or the cinema tickets etc but it will be only be occasionally. He is generous to other people in his life, we had his brother and his wife down a few weeks ago and when they arrived on the Friday evening, he took us all out for a 3 course dinner and paid for the lot, same when his parents and friends have visited, in fact, he is pretty generous with his family and friends? He gave his brother a cheque for £8k when they were last down, to put into his two nephew’s trust funds. I felt an enormous rush of love for him when he did this, it was such a lovely, lovely thing to do.

He also went out and spent £30k on a boat a few weeks ago, so it’s really not like he doesn’t like spending money. He definitely doesn’t mind spending on his hobbies etc, he’s just not into frivolous spending I guess but also, doesn’t yet, seem to want to be generous when it comes to me?

Despite all said above, he is unbelievably kind, caring, supportive, good and generous in bed. He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family. He is pretty perfect, but, for some reason I just don’t feel comfortable with him re money.

I am aware this post makes me seem like a mercenary gold digger, I promise you I’m not. I really do, I think I have just been really lucky with my ex in that he was an all-round nice guy and generous to boot. I have now met another all-round nice guy but he just tirelessly counts and records every penny when it comes to us and our relationship and I am starting to wonder whether this will continue (given that he is generous with his friends and family) and if so, whether it is a deal breaker for me. He has been vocal about wanting kids and we have talked about the future, I have absolutely no doubt that he would be generous with his children and they would want for nothing…but what about the mother of his children? We haven’t moved in together yet, again he’s hinted but at the moment I am failing to see how it would work, I have cheap rent where I am at the moment, if he expected me to pay half of everything, I would have about £100 a month leftover to pay for things like haircuts, nights out, clothes etc. I would struggle. I would end up resenting him.

OP posts:
PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 13/05/2015 16:04

@ScrambledSmegs

"'Gold-digger' is a vile term and one amongst many terms used to denigrate women (ever heard of a man being described as a gold-digger by other men?)."

But it would seem many on this thread (and others) is happy to use the terms 'tight/stingy/skinflint/tightwad' at the drop of a hat to describe any man who is not generous to a fault with his money.

MerryMarigold · 13/05/2015 16:06

Women can be tight, stingy and skinflint too (maybe not tightwad)

OnlyLovers · 13/05/2015 16:06

No, I don't think it's only fair for you to do his housework.

And I'm sure he's loving the fact that he doesn't clean at your house because you don't give him the chance.

NameChange30 · 13/05/2015 16:07

"But it would seem many on this thread (and others) is happy to use the terms 'tight/stingy/skinflint/tightwad' at the drop of a hat to describe any man who is not generous to a fault with his money."

That's complete rubbish. We're not talking about any man, we're talking about this man, who bought a £30k boat but won't buy his partner of 2 years a bloody cinema ticket.

ImperialBlether · 13/05/2015 16:08

WipsGlitter why wouldn't one of you pay for dinner one day and the other pay another day?

TokenGinger, I think that's a really good idea, putting the money for the money into an envelope and using that, particularly if you're both struggling with money.

OP, this man is awful. He doesn't complain when you bring him twice as much food and wine, does he? The cinema ticket thing just sounds cringeworthy. And the popcorn! I can hardly believe that someone would do that.

CheersMedea · 13/05/2015 16:09

I think you made a mistake dumping you ex. Sounds like you got the 7 year itch and wanted out...

Lola that's exactly what I thought! It's not like happy couples in their 80s are ripping each others clothes off. What a mistake that sounds to leave him!

Anyway OP:

Ignore anyone saying you are grabby etc. You aren't.

This is a BIG problem because he has a very poor attitude to money. It is utterly ridiculous to be demanding £4 from a gf he is in a ltr if he can spend £30k on a boat. Money is a MASSIVE problem in relationships and someone who is super-tight is super-tight.

As to advice - this is a 100% accept or reject situation. You've had it out with him (the "take it in turns" conversation) so now you either accept it as him and part of his personality OR you conclude this is behaviour you can't tolerate and leave the relationship.

For me that would be an utter utter deal breaker but I hate that sort of attitude with a vehement passion. It's a huge turn off for me so much so its borderline repellent. Depends how much it matters to you. By the length of your post, I would put my X in the "leave him" ballot spot.

CheersMedea · 13/05/2015 16:10

PS: The cinema ticket thing made me literally cringe reading it.

Quitelikely · 13/05/2015 16:24

He is the one with issues. You are not. I love to be treat to nice things and gifts. nothing wrong with that at all.

Your friends husbands behave how the majority of husbands do.

Deep down you clearly want someone like that. Go and find him.

You should not be saying oh well I clean because I use his electricity and water!

Lweji · 13/05/2015 16:28

I should say something I know, I guess I just don’t want it to turn into an argument!

This is the time to talk about it. It only serves to understand what the other person is coming from and what to expect from them. It doesn't have to be an argument.
But it would become an argument if you do start living together/get married, and had never talked about it at all!

Some churches, and certainly the Catholic church offer (or demand) that couples undergo sessions before getting married, where issues like this are discussed, so that couples at least have the opportunity to know what each other think about it, as they are so often overlooked. It only shows how important they are.

ItsADinosaur · 13/05/2015 16:32

OP you need to find out how he thinks things would work if you were to have children. As there is no way when you are on maternity leave, getting maternity pay and possibly then going part time you can still pay half for everything. It would be utterly ridiculous and selfish on his part. Despite what you've been used to previously he is tight. Sort this out now rather than be in a mess in a few years time.

code · 13/05/2015 16:32

I'm surprised you fancy someone displaying such weird behaviour. I too think the ex sounds better. Money hang up types are normally oddballs and I would drop him, sorry.

ItsADinosaur · 13/05/2015 16:32

Do not leave this until you're married!

Jan45 · 13/05/2015 16:38

If he gets upset over loo roll and cinema tickets, honestly, I doubt he'd want to marry you anyway, and share his fucken money, god forbid!

zigazigah01 · 13/05/2015 16:41

She didn't want to shag her ex though?!

venusandmars · 13/05/2015 16:41

I think it's worrying that you are talking about moving in together when you don't even really talk about money and your different approaches. How can you think of making that kind of commitment when you're not communicating about important things?

Pollyswall · 13/05/2015 16:43

Worrying behaviour, especially after 2 years, he sounds a bit odd, selectively tight as another poster said.

What happens with your dog when you go to his from work and stay over?

KissyBoo · 13/05/2015 16:48

Is the ex still available?

This one sounds like an arsehole who you will go off shagging in a couple of years as well.

yearofthegoat · 13/05/2015 16:49

I too am surprised you fancy such a mean man. Quibbling over pennies and complaining about the amount of loo roll you use is bizarre unless he is on the breadline, which obviously he isn't.

If you stay with him he will suck the pleasure out of every outing and occasion by trying not to spend any money and complaining about the cost.

What a miserable way to live.

ImperialBlether · 13/05/2015 16:55

He knows you're in debt, doesn't he? I assume that from what you've said. He's spent £30K on a boat and £8K on his relatives - how the hell can he justify buying one cinema ticket?

Xmasbaby11 · 13/05/2015 16:59

Yanbu. Leave him! Horribly stingy.

ladybird69 · 13/05/2015 17:02

I'm not going to go into my life story but he has major issues going on, it's not just the money. I've been in your shoes and only just escaped. Run for the hills.

BolshierAyraStark · 13/05/2015 17:16

Sounds like a complete nightmare, a turn off too. Run like the wind & don't look back...

AugustaGloop · 13/05/2015 17:32

Next time you go to his for dinner, I would bring a meal for one and one of those glasses of wine they sell in M&S.

captainproton · 13/05/2015 17:45

Cotswoldqueen, I am a bit like this. I grew up in a household where mum used to add water to the milk to make it go further, no heating in winter, and my dad was unemployed when the local industry went belly up. It is no fun having no money, so that when you have money you still think finding 50p in a pocket somewhere like winning the lottery. I don't know your man's history cos I didn't RTFT, but if he has worked his way up from nothing perhaps he's not in a hurry to spend it all? Parting with money on things like flowers etc is very hard to do. Even now I ask DH not to buy me flowers because I just think they are expensive and they will just die. I have to have presents that I/we need otherwise I worry about spending money I don't have.

The only way we got around it was getting a joint account and DH absolutely had to pay every debt off before I agreed to that! We share the bills out of the joint account and divide the leftover between us, I have more in my pot than him.

CornChips · 13/05/2015 17:47

Honestly I would run too. If he is all 'this is MY money' you have no real future. As others have said, what happens when you have a child.... do you have to justify maternity leave and spending joint money on nappies?

One of my exes was a mean arse. He had a high flying job in the miltary then in Embassies around the world. He insisted his wife give up her job to support him and to do the whole 'Ambassador's wife schtick'. She brought up their children in military accommodation, she ran households and staff as he went up the ladder, she totally subjected her life to his (and hated it). He dumped her two years before he retired and just bitched and whinged about how the 'greedy bitch' was going to get 'half his pension'. He was also a 'split bills exactly'. When we were together we went to a very fancy event, and I was absolutely skint and could barely afford to buy a decent dress. He said nothing, then afterwards crucified me for looking cheap and letting him down. Yep.... but we were meant to be a partnership and you spent our time at restaurants with him drinking good wine and me drinking house because I had to pay my way.

It's debilitating. I am just so glad he finally dumped me for a much younger woman. :)