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DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?

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CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:18

I have been with my DP for 2 years, we have a great relationship, I fancy him rotten, he is kind and caring, we get on great and he DOES make me really happy. I don’t know whether I’m just being a princess, trying to self-sabotage or what but sometimes it just seems like….well I don’t really know.

I guess I could start by saying that my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

When I say he was generous, he would sometimes buy me random, thoughtful presents just because he thought I’d like them. He would always insist on paying when we went out and I would literally have to put the cash for my half into his jacket pocket etc when he wasn’t looking. He would love to celebrate our anniversaries, birthdays etc and would book surprise weekends away or take me out to dinner.

Don’t get me wrong, because he was generous to me, I wanted to be generous to him too and was, I used to spoil him on his birthday and on our anniversary’s etc. It was just nice, I know it’s materialistic but we both just enjoyed treating each other.

Cut to current DP, he has a very good, professional job, earns a lot of money and has a lot of disposable income. He, however, is a saver not a spender. He kinda counts every penny and just, I don’t know, I can’t really explain it but it’s like he resents spending anything on me?

We don’t live together, he has his own (large house) and I currently rent a cottage off a family friend. After paying for my rent, bills and paying off some debts and the animals, I don’t have a vast amount left over each month, enough to have a couple of nights out a month etc but not loads.

Whenever we go out for dinner, it always has to be split, down to the last penny. If I can’t afford to pay half then we (generally, there have been a couple of exceptions) don’t go. There is hardly ever an offer of ‘let’s go out to dinner tonight, I’m paying.’

I stay at his 3, occasionally 4 nights a week, but on the majority of those evenings I bring dinner for us both and wine for myself if drinking it. I clean his house (he is generally tidy but a typical man and can be a bit messy) help to look after his 2 dogs.

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there. A few weeks ago he was going to Tesco and I asked him if he could pick me up some make up remover wipes and deodorant as I had ran out of both, he did. They came to a total of £4.90 and he reminded me about that £4.90 within about 15 mins after getting back, I was going to give him the money FGS but it’s £4, I’m sure he’s not going to go bankrupt if he doesn’t get it within the hour.

I will often pay for things if we go out and he’ll say ‘I’ll transfer you half when we get back.’ And I say ‘It’s fine, it’s only £10 FGS’ The other week we went to the cinema, there was a massive que and I said ‘I’ll get the tickets, why don’t you get in the que for the popcorn.’ He said ‘No it’s fine, the film doesn’t start for another 15 mins yet, we’ve got plenty of time’ So, we finally get to the front and it’s so awkward as before I can say anything he goes ‘Ticket for one please to see XXX.’ The cashier looked really embarrassed, looked at us both and repeated ‘Just the one ticket?’ to which I jumped in before he could say anything and said ‘YES and one for me please too after he’s paid for his.’ We then went to the que for food, I stood in front of him and said ‘I’m going to get a medium, mixed popcorn.’ He then said ‘So how much is that, £3.56, I’ll give you the £1.78 when we get home.’ I had had enough at this point as the couple stood behind us (same couple that had stood behind for the tickets too) I could tell were aghast and snapped IT’S FINE, I CAN TREAT YOU TO SOME BLUMMIN POPCORN!! He looked a bit sheepish but said no, I owe you it, I’ll pay half, which he did!

We had a talk when we got home that night as he could tell I was annoyed, I said we are in a relationship, I do not want to quibble over £1.78 etc, and count every penny, it’s ridiculous and embarrassing. He said okay, let’s take it in turns to pay for things. Fine, but it really is mostly rigid with that and he even keeps a ‘diary’ of who has paid what, it just feel so…… unromantic?? I don’t mind blummin paying for him and treating him to things because I love him, I don’t expect half back etc or for him to rigidly ensure he treats me the next time.

The thing is, although he’s careful with his money he will OCCASIONALLY be generous with me, i.e get the bill if we go out, or the cinema tickets etc but it will be only be occasionally. He is generous to other people in his life, we had his brother and his wife down a few weeks ago and when they arrived on the Friday evening, he took us all out for a 3 course dinner and paid for the lot, same when his parents and friends have visited, in fact, he is pretty generous with his family and friends? He gave his brother a cheque for £8k when they were last down, to put into his two nephew’s trust funds. I felt an enormous rush of love for him when he did this, it was such a lovely, lovely thing to do.

He also went out and spent £30k on a boat a few weeks ago, so it’s really not like he doesn’t like spending money. He definitely doesn’t mind spending on his hobbies etc, he’s just not into frivolous spending I guess but also, doesn’t yet, seem to want to be generous when it comes to me?

Despite all said above, he is unbelievably kind, caring, supportive, good and generous in bed. He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family. He is pretty perfect, but, for some reason I just don’t feel comfortable with him re money.

I am aware this post makes me seem like a mercenary gold digger, I promise you I’m not. I really do, I think I have just been really lucky with my ex in that he was an all-round nice guy and generous to boot. I have now met another all-round nice guy but he just tirelessly counts and records every penny when it comes to us and our relationship and I am starting to wonder whether this will continue (given that he is generous with his friends and family) and if so, whether it is a deal breaker for me. He has been vocal about wanting kids and we have talked about the future, I have absolutely no doubt that he would be generous with his children and they would want for nothing…but what about the mother of his children? We haven’t moved in together yet, again he’s hinted but at the moment I am failing to see how it would work, I have cheap rent where I am at the moment, if he expected me to pay half of everything, I would have about £100 a month leftover to pay for things like haircuts, nights out, clothes etc. I would struggle. I would end up resenting him.

OP posts:
mynewpassion · 16/05/2015 07:48

Yes, he's a bit tight but I think he's wary of you because you are a bit of a princess. Dating only rich, wealthy men. Have debts. Who knows if you are racking up debts so that you can keep up with the Joneses when your income doesn't support that lifestyle.

Except for the first relationship, you seem keen to stay with them even if they treated your horribly. You were single, no children, had your own income so some independence but still stuck around with Misters 2 & 3 when they treated you badly because they were generous and wealthy.

My recommendation: find another generous man. This DP and you are financially incompatible and as most marriages end due to financial issues, so might this relationship.

Jumbooats · 16/05/2015 09:34

I hope im not being presumptious in guessing you are still young and very pretty in your 'prime' so to speak. Two or three decades down the line if your current boyfriend is already grudging loo roll by then you'll be digging a small hole out the back and using leaves!

BeaufortBelle · 16/05/2015 09:57

I honestly don't know with this thread. My dh earns ten times more than me, pays all bills, and gives me housekeeping for food. He would ask me for my dry cleaning money if picked up my stuff though. If we have coffee out or go to the cinema he might give me his half of the money. Perhaps it works because we have similar attitudes to money. His patents were unspeakably mean and some of it is learnt and he is better than he was. But he is very generous and kind of spirit.

QuintShhhhhh · 16/05/2015 10:33

I think he's wary of you because you are a bit of a princess. Dating only rich, wealthy men. Have debts. Who knows if you are racking up debts so that you can keep up with the Joneses when your income doesn't support that lifestyle.

Hmm... Does mynewpassion have a point?

WhoNickedMyName · 16/05/2015 10:39

I don't think either of them are wrong, just incompatible, though admittedly he took it to the extreme with the loo roll.

I can't help thinking though, that if he was in a minimum wage job, the OP would have dumped him by now.

ConfusedInBath · 16/05/2015 10:53

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QuintShhhhhh · 16/05/2015 10:53

Nah - she may not have dated him in the first place. Wink

Seriously though. You may find that less wealthy men are more keen to share, be generous and see you as an equal partner.

Not just a woman who brings food, clean, and shags them. (And who should bring her own loo roll)

Gralick · 16/05/2015 11:11

I can see where PPs are coming from with the debt/caution thing. But we have to believe OP when she says she's not carrying an abnormal or unmanageable debt. On his part, caution would be where he resists the urge to clear her debt for her or buy her a Rolex. Demanding the fiver for her toiletries as soon as he's home and counting the cost of popcorn are the actions of a skinflint.

I'm pretty sure the friends who told her about the grabby ex were relating his version of events. They never see him buying the solo ticket and moaning about toilet paper, do they?

findingmyfeet12 · 16/05/2015 11:16

I agree gralick the loo roll, deodorant and cinema situations are not the actions of a person simply making a point or being cautious about the debt.

My dh is appalling at saving. We've come to an agreement that he pays all our bills and gives me spending money for food etc. my money goes into a savings account and we'll use it to buy big things as and when. If we were both spending, he'd never save a penny.

Pollyswall · 16/05/2015 11:25

Yes Graylick it sounds like instinctive behaviour to me.

BeaufortBelle · 16/05/2015 11:33

Thing is my DH will worry about the price of a coffee or dry cleaning - that's just him. He didn't buy a boat either, he bought a holiday home although he knew I liked it. But it's just him and I can say "don't be bloody silly". We have never had a joint account.

25 years on all is well but the difference is that I have never had debts and when we met I was the one with property and money and he was able to carry on in his precarious career choice (as it was then with no backing) because of me. At that time he insisted, wherever possible on paying half towards things we did together so in a way we are in reverse to the OP. Except I never counted loo roll and am probably the more generous one in the relationship in the context of buying a little gift but things like four tiny truffles when I know he's had a bad day or a silk hanky because he wouldn't spend money on that. He on the other hand would never dream of buying me a bunch of flowers or some other little thing but will offer much larger gestures and I know that if I wanted something ludicrously extravagant he'd buy it for me and has offered to but I don't really want to spend money on stuff I'd feel uncomfortable wearing.

l think the issue is that DH's penny pinching ways have never really bothered me and we can have a laugh about them and I will say "for goodness sake, you earnt xx last year, stop looking at and comparing the price of petrol". IYSWIM.

If a potential life partner does stuff that bothers the OP enough for her to feel unhappy about it and to post on Mnet, I agree they are incompatible.

The bit I don't get is how the OP mixes in these wealthy circles when she doesn't have money herself and I do wonder if this is how the debts have arisen. It's all very well mixing in more wealthy circles but only if you are happy to mix as you are and not spending money you don't have to keep up.

Gralick · 16/05/2015 11:50

Could be work-related; old school friends; hobby-related. Rich people don't spend their whole lives in platinum-lined private clubs! (Well, a few forrin oligarchs do but we're not talking billionaire here.)

ImperialBlether · 16/05/2015 13:46

Did the OP say he earns three times what she earns? If that's the case, he's not actually wealthy, is he?

Gralick · 16/05/2015 13:51

Dunno! Could be that OP earns a fortune ... But, no, I reckon he's more well-off than wealthy. His boat was £30k not £300k. That would still buy a lot of toilet paper, though.

findingmyfeet12 · 16/05/2015 14:08

The op has already had one chat with him about this and that's when he started keeping the diary.

Tbh I don't hold out much hope for her if she has another chat with him about it.

ImperialBlether · 16/05/2015 14:11

The reason I said that he wasn't wealthy was because people were talking about the OP as though she was deliberately infiltrating rich circles.

FairPhyllis · 16/05/2015 14:25

OP, in a few years time you'll be like the women on here who post about how their DP is making them pay half for everything when they are on maternity leave with no income, eroding their savings to keep up with the 50/50 split, maybe living in a partner's house with no stake in it at all.

Twinklestein · 16/05/2015 14:28

Yep.

AgathaChristie01 · 16/05/2015 15:05

OP, in a few years time you'll be like the women on here who post about how their DP is making them pay half for everything when they are on maternity leave with no income, eroding their savings to keep up with the 50/50 split, maybe living in a partner's house with no stake in it at all.

I agree, I saw that exact situation being posted on another forum I used to be on. The woman was told by her husband she had to continue to contribute, as before, to joint finances, when on maternity leave, and she also said that her husband was miserable towards the children, in any kind of small little extras, so she just paid for them, for a quiet life.

It's not a good trait, in anyone, and tbh OP, I'd have run a mile, at the loo paper comment.

Laladeepsouth · 16/05/2015 17:21

What Fair, Twinkle, and Agatha just said. And he's not your "partner" or even a good and considerate boyfriend (if I may use that ancient term).

And I'm amazed and sad, OP, that you as so many women these days have been convinced that somehow you're in a modern, "equal" relationship because you pay your own way, in other words -- get to pay half!

Gralick · 16/05/2015 18:20

Umm, Lala, are you saying that women shouldn't pay their way?

Laladeepsouth · 16/05/2015 19:19

Gralick, way to play along!

sakura · 16/05/2015 19:31

I think what lala is saying is that women invest a lot more, physically and health-wise, into childbearing than men do. Lots of women lose their health during pregnancy, some women lose their lives during pregnancy, during childbirth or after.
So what lala is saying is, a man has to be truly a cunt to insist on the mother of his children paying for her own coffee because "we're all equal now"

Laladeepsouth · 16/05/2015 19:36

sakura, well and colorfully said!

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