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DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?

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CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:18

I have been with my DP for 2 years, we have a great relationship, I fancy him rotten, he is kind and caring, we get on great and he DOES make me really happy. I don’t know whether I’m just being a princess, trying to self-sabotage or what but sometimes it just seems like….well I don’t really know.

I guess I could start by saying that my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

When I say he was generous, he would sometimes buy me random, thoughtful presents just because he thought I’d like them. He would always insist on paying when we went out and I would literally have to put the cash for my half into his jacket pocket etc when he wasn’t looking. He would love to celebrate our anniversaries, birthdays etc and would book surprise weekends away or take me out to dinner.

Don’t get me wrong, because he was generous to me, I wanted to be generous to him too and was, I used to spoil him on his birthday and on our anniversary’s etc. It was just nice, I know it’s materialistic but we both just enjoyed treating each other.

Cut to current DP, he has a very good, professional job, earns a lot of money and has a lot of disposable income. He, however, is a saver not a spender. He kinda counts every penny and just, I don’t know, I can’t really explain it but it’s like he resents spending anything on me?

We don’t live together, he has his own (large house) and I currently rent a cottage off a family friend. After paying for my rent, bills and paying off some debts and the animals, I don’t have a vast amount left over each month, enough to have a couple of nights out a month etc but not loads.

Whenever we go out for dinner, it always has to be split, down to the last penny. If I can’t afford to pay half then we (generally, there have been a couple of exceptions) don’t go. There is hardly ever an offer of ‘let’s go out to dinner tonight, I’m paying.’

I stay at his 3, occasionally 4 nights a week, but on the majority of those evenings I bring dinner for us both and wine for myself if drinking it. I clean his house (he is generally tidy but a typical man and can be a bit messy) help to look after his 2 dogs.

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there. A few weeks ago he was going to Tesco and I asked him if he could pick me up some make up remover wipes and deodorant as I had ran out of both, he did. They came to a total of £4.90 and he reminded me about that £4.90 within about 15 mins after getting back, I was going to give him the money FGS but it’s £4, I’m sure he’s not going to go bankrupt if he doesn’t get it within the hour.

I will often pay for things if we go out and he’ll say ‘I’ll transfer you half when we get back.’ And I say ‘It’s fine, it’s only £10 FGS’ The other week we went to the cinema, there was a massive que and I said ‘I’ll get the tickets, why don’t you get in the que for the popcorn.’ He said ‘No it’s fine, the film doesn’t start for another 15 mins yet, we’ve got plenty of time’ So, we finally get to the front and it’s so awkward as before I can say anything he goes ‘Ticket for one please to see XXX.’ The cashier looked really embarrassed, looked at us both and repeated ‘Just the one ticket?’ to which I jumped in before he could say anything and said ‘YES and one for me please too after he’s paid for his.’ We then went to the que for food, I stood in front of him and said ‘I’m going to get a medium, mixed popcorn.’ He then said ‘So how much is that, £3.56, I’ll give you the £1.78 when we get home.’ I had had enough at this point as the couple stood behind us (same couple that had stood behind for the tickets too) I could tell were aghast and snapped IT’S FINE, I CAN TREAT YOU TO SOME BLUMMIN POPCORN!! He looked a bit sheepish but said no, I owe you it, I’ll pay half, which he did!

We had a talk when we got home that night as he could tell I was annoyed, I said we are in a relationship, I do not want to quibble over £1.78 etc, and count every penny, it’s ridiculous and embarrassing. He said okay, let’s take it in turns to pay for things. Fine, but it really is mostly rigid with that and he even keeps a ‘diary’ of who has paid what, it just feel so…… unromantic?? I don’t mind blummin paying for him and treating him to things because I love him, I don’t expect half back etc or for him to rigidly ensure he treats me the next time.

The thing is, although he’s careful with his money he will OCCASIONALLY be generous with me, i.e get the bill if we go out, or the cinema tickets etc but it will be only be occasionally. He is generous to other people in his life, we had his brother and his wife down a few weeks ago and when they arrived on the Friday evening, he took us all out for a 3 course dinner and paid for the lot, same when his parents and friends have visited, in fact, he is pretty generous with his family and friends? He gave his brother a cheque for £8k when they were last down, to put into his two nephew’s trust funds. I felt an enormous rush of love for him when he did this, it was such a lovely, lovely thing to do.

He also went out and spent £30k on a boat a few weeks ago, so it’s really not like he doesn’t like spending money. He definitely doesn’t mind spending on his hobbies etc, he’s just not into frivolous spending I guess but also, doesn’t yet, seem to want to be generous when it comes to me?

Despite all said above, he is unbelievably kind, caring, supportive, good and generous in bed. He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family. He is pretty perfect, but, for some reason I just don’t feel comfortable with him re money.

I am aware this post makes me seem like a mercenary gold digger, I promise you I’m not. I really do, I think I have just been really lucky with my ex in that he was an all-round nice guy and generous to boot. I have now met another all-round nice guy but he just tirelessly counts and records every penny when it comes to us and our relationship and I am starting to wonder whether this will continue (given that he is generous with his friends and family) and if so, whether it is a deal breaker for me. He has been vocal about wanting kids and we have talked about the future, I have absolutely no doubt that he would be generous with his children and they would want for nothing…but what about the mother of his children? We haven’t moved in together yet, again he’s hinted but at the moment I am failing to see how it would work, I have cheap rent where I am at the moment, if he expected me to pay half of everything, I would have about £100 a month leftover to pay for things like haircuts, nights out, clothes etc. I would struggle. I would end up resenting him.

OP posts:
Twinklestein · 15/05/2015 13:45

zigazigah

Different (of course) once you are at the point of building a life together

I think you share the same naivety with the OP. You're both assuming this is how he is with money now, if they got married/cohabited, he would change, as he would see money/the relationship differently.

But the message loud and clear from the majority of posters in this thread is that he will not change, and it will make the OP's life very difficult. The reason we're saying this is because we've all seen it before.

expatinscotland · 15/05/2015 13:59

You seem determined to cling on to a relationship with a person with whom you are inherently incompatible.

GoatsDoRoam · 15/05/2015 14:03

You seem determined to cling on to a relationship with a person with whom you are inherently incompatible.

^ This.

All the best, OP.

ImperialBlether · 15/05/2015 14:09

You know something - if you do decide to put whatever into an envelope each month and use that to pay for everything, I'll bet my house he carries the envelope so it looks like he's paying for you.

It's lucky for you sex is free, otherwise you'd be as frustrated as hell!

zigazigah01 · 15/05/2015 14:14

No twinklestein, I am not assuming he will change, I'm saying that when you are only 'dating' you don't generally pool resources. That only happens when things get more serious. The bf doesn't sound like he's at that point yet. The OP doesn't know whether he expects things to be split 50/50 if they ever live together because she's not asked him. If he does expect a 50/50 split then it's probably time to say goodbye.

Fundamentally, people don't change, I agree, so if the OP is expecting to be 'treated' etc then she will be always be disappointed. However that's a slightly different issue to splitting household expenses and he's already contributed slightly more towards her holiday.

Twinklestein · 15/05/2015 14:24

She's not talking about pooling resources, zig nobody is.

The OP is not expecting to be 'treated', but she doesn't like this level of penny-pinching and mean-ness.

She's happy to treat him to meals 3-4 times a week. He contributed £200 for the holiday. Over a year his meals will add up to a lot more than £200.

NameChange30 · 15/05/2015 14:28

This thread is getting boring now.

OP: My DP does x, y and z, is this normal?
Majority of replies: No it's not normal, LTB or at the very least insist on making things fairer
OP: Oh but he's not that bad and I loove him.

Alright then OP, ignore us then, but what was the point of starting this thread in the first place?!

I worry about your self esteem tbh, you've let him treat you like this for up to 2 years, and you seem to think you don't deserve better or you're a "princess" / "gold digger". Nice example of internalising sexist attitudes.

zigazigah01 · 15/05/2015 14:30

Twinkle - I was responding to your comment about how he sees money won't change if they cohabit/marry. Only saying that is a different level of commitment and actually may change how they divvy things up.

Stormtreader · 15/05/2015 14:30

When a relationship gets to a certain level of seriousness, it tends to change from thinking "me and you" to thinking "we and us" and thats when id expect it to become a case of buying two cinema tickets without quibbling too much because "we need two".

Im surprised that after 2 years hes not at this point yet, and not surprised at all that you dont want to have children or move in with him - it would be like being a single parent in terms of finances and thats not an easy road.

zigazigah01 · 15/05/2015 14:32

But totally agree with stormytrouper - 2 years is long enough to know whether he has any long term intentions.

NameChange30 · 15/05/2015 14:42

Storm

"not surprised at all that you dont want to have children or move in with him - it would be like being a single parent in terms of finances and thats not an easy road."

Actually no, she would be worse off living with him (if he doesn't support her financially) than being a single parent. As a single parent she would get tax credits, child maintenance, and other benefits she might be entitled to. As his live-in partner she would be entitled to f* all as far as state benefits go (the state would expect him to support his live-in partner and children!)

CotswoldQueen · 15/05/2015 14:42

Another Emma,

I am not ignoring all the advice on this thread, I have said I’ll talk to him and get it all out in the open properly and see what his response/s are and go from there.

My last ex was very rich and extremely generous with his money, I left him after he’d cheated on me. He NEVER gave me any time, he NEVER, EVER supported me when I needed it, he was NEVER there for me when I needed him. He was AWFUL in bed, completely selfish, he never paid any interest to me or my hobbies and was just generally an arse.

I got some self respect, gave up all the riches, left him and never looked back.

My DP is NOTHING like him, everything I have listed above, he is the opposite. Except when it comes to finance. He doesn’t splash the cash, he doesn’t treat me randomly to dinner and do random acts of generosity, but otherwise, he is everything I want. I might give it all up because he’s just not generous enough with his money, I don’t know yet. I’ll talk to him and see how he sees this working long term.

OP posts:
MurielWoods · 15/05/2015 14:45

Hi OP, just to put this into a bit of perspective but I go to the cinema regularly with my friend (approx every other week) and we just take it in turns to cover each others costs (cinema ticket, drinks, popcorn etc). We don't keep tallies or penny pinch and I'm sure that over the years one of us has probably ended up forking out more than the other.

We don't keep tabs as we just trust each other and it's no biggie.

The fact that it seems to be a biggy for your DP does ring alarm bells.

He sounds like one of those people who 'watches the pennies but not the pounds'. I know several people like this and it doesn't just manifest itself in a financial way but seems to spill over into their personality too.

So on a financial level, someone who goes to great lengths to save a penny here or a penny there (way beyond what could be deemed as 'reasonable') but then blows huge amounts on luxury items.

On a personal level it might be someone who obsesses over the most trivial things but fails to address the bigger issues in their life - a coping mechanism maybe?

MamaMary · 15/05/2015 14:45

Op, I take it your 'long-term ex' is a different man from your 'last ex'? Because the account you've just given of why the relationship ended is completely different to the one in your OP Confused

Oly4 · 15/05/2015 14:49

He sounds like a nightmare. I can't stand peoplw being that tight (unless they have cash flow problems of course!)
This would be a deal breaker for me I'm afraid. Have a long chat with him. It could mean he's not ready to make you the one!

Twinklestein · 15/05/2015 14:49

Only saying that is a different level of commitment and actually may change how they divvy things up.

And my original point to you was that he won't change so we're done.

CotswoldQueen · 15/05/2015 14:49

Yes, he is a different person entirely!

OP posts:
Miggsie · 15/05/2015 14:55

He may be better than your ex but he's still not that great - he is stingy and a stick in the mud.
Also, after another 4 years you are going to realise he is really dull - he's already in the worst kind of middle aged rut and making you feel unreasonable for wanting to out to a restaurant.
He is only doing what he wants - and you accommodate him endlessly.
But he is very selfish and treats you as a lesser being, not an equal.
And he won't change, it's clear he considers the defects to be on your side, not his. Not a good sign.

findingmyfeet12 · 15/05/2015 14:56

Op. You say he's wonderful in every way other than money. I still cannot reconcile how a wonderful person would think the loo roll comment was acceptable or how a person so careful with money would fail to notice your effort and outlay in relation to bringing food to his house.

Are you sure he is the wonderful person you're describing?

zigazigah01 · 15/05/2015 14:57

Twinkle - yes, you do not agree with me, I get it.

No need to be rude though.

Only1scoop · 15/05/2015 14:57

But you described your ex as 'a general all round nice guy and generous to boot' in your Op

I'm a little confused

CotswoldQueen · 15/05/2015 15:05

IT'S A DIFFERENT EX!!!

I have had 4 boyfriends in my lifetime (dated a whole lot more, but 4 'relationships') The generous and lovely one who was my first and longest, then fairly generous but a manipulative, emotionally abusive arsehole, then the incredibly rich but awful in every other way and cheated on me dickhead and now current DP.

OP posts:
QuintShhhhhh · 15/05/2015 15:06

Eh? But you said:

my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

Which one is it?

QuintShhhhhh · 15/05/2015 15:06

Ah. Getting confused.

findingmyfeet12 · 15/05/2015 15:07

Op, you mention "generous" and "rich" a lot. I'm starting to wonder whether you also have your own issues with money and that's why your partner is so cautious?