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DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?

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CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:18

I have been with my DP for 2 years, we have a great relationship, I fancy him rotten, he is kind and caring, we get on great and he DOES make me really happy. I don’t know whether I’m just being a princess, trying to self-sabotage or what but sometimes it just seems like….well I don’t really know.

I guess I could start by saying that my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

When I say he was generous, he would sometimes buy me random, thoughtful presents just because he thought I’d like them. He would always insist on paying when we went out and I would literally have to put the cash for my half into his jacket pocket etc when he wasn’t looking. He would love to celebrate our anniversaries, birthdays etc and would book surprise weekends away or take me out to dinner.

Don’t get me wrong, because he was generous to me, I wanted to be generous to him too and was, I used to spoil him on his birthday and on our anniversary’s etc. It was just nice, I know it’s materialistic but we both just enjoyed treating each other.

Cut to current DP, he has a very good, professional job, earns a lot of money and has a lot of disposable income. He, however, is a saver not a spender. He kinda counts every penny and just, I don’t know, I can’t really explain it but it’s like he resents spending anything on me?

We don’t live together, he has his own (large house) and I currently rent a cottage off a family friend. After paying for my rent, bills and paying off some debts and the animals, I don’t have a vast amount left over each month, enough to have a couple of nights out a month etc but not loads.

Whenever we go out for dinner, it always has to be split, down to the last penny. If I can’t afford to pay half then we (generally, there have been a couple of exceptions) don’t go. There is hardly ever an offer of ‘let’s go out to dinner tonight, I’m paying.’

I stay at his 3, occasionally 4 nights a week, but on the majority of those evenings I bring dinner for us both and wine for myself if drinking it. I clean his house (he is generally tidy but a typical man and can be a bit messy) help to look after his 2 dogs.

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there. A few weeks ago he was going to Tesco and I asked him if he could pick me up some make up remover wipes and deodorant as I had ran out of both, he did. They came to a total of £4.90 and he reminded me about that £4.90 within about 15 mins after getting back, I was going to give him the money FGS but it’s £4, I’m sure he’s not going to go bankrupt if he doesn’t get it within the hour.

I will often pay for things if we go out and he’ll say ‘I’ll transfer you half when we get back.’ And I say ‘It’s fine, it’s only £10 FGS’ The other week we went to the cinema, there was a massive que and I said ‘I’ll get the tickets, why don’t you get in the que for the popcorn.’ He said ‘No it’s fine, the film doesn’t start for another 15 mins yet, we’ve got plenty of time’ So, we finally get to the front and it’s so awkward as before I can say anything he goes ‘Ticket for one please to see XXX.’ The cashier looked really embarrassed, looked at us both and repeated ‘Just the one ticket?’ to which I jumped in before he could say anything and said ‘YES and one for me please too after he’s paid for his.’ We then went to the que for food, I stood in front of him and said ‘I’m going to get a medium, mixed popcorn.’ He then said ‘So how much is that, £3.56, I’ll give you the £1.78 when we get home.’ I had had enough at this point as the couple stood behind us (same couple that had stood behind for the tickets too) I could tell were aghast and snapped IT’S FINE, I CAN TREAT YOU TO SOME BLUMMIN POPCORN!! He looked a bit sheepish but said no, I owe you it, I’ll pay half, which he did!

We had a talk when we got home that night as he could tell I was annoyed, I said we are in a relationship, I do not want to quibble over £1.78 etc, and count every penny, it’s ridiculous and embarrassing. He said okay, let’s take it in turns to pay for things. Fine, but it really is mostly rigid with that and he even keeps a ‘diary’ of who has paid what, it just feel so…… unromantic?? I don’t mind blummin paying for him and treating him to things because I love him, I don’t expect half back etc or for him to rigidly ensure he treats me the next time.

The thing is, although he’s careful with his money he will OCCASIONALLY be generous with me, i.e get the bill if we go out, or the cinema tickets etc but it will be only be occasionally. He is generous to other people in his life, we had his brother and his wife down a few weeks ago and when they arrived on the Friday evening, he took us all out for a 3 course dinner and paid for the lot, same when his parents and friends have visited, in fact, he is pretty generous with his family and friends? He gave his brother a cheque for £8k when they were last down, to put into his two nephew’s trust funds. I felt an enormous rush of love for him when he did this, it was such a lovely, lovely thing to do.

He also went out and spent £30k on a boat a few weeks ago, so it’s really not like he doesn’t like spending money. He definitely doesn’t mind spending on his hobbies etc, he’s just not into frivolous spending I guess but also, doesn’t yet, seem to want to be generous when it comes to me?

Despite all said above, he is unbelievably kind, caring, supportive, good and generous in bed. He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family. He is pretty perfect, but, for some reason I just don’t feel comfortable with him re money.

I am aware this post makes me seem like a mercenary gold digger, I promise you I’m not. I really do, I think I have just been really lucky with my ex in that he was an all-round nice guy and generous to boot. I have now met another all-round nice guy but he just tirelessly counts and records every penny when it comes to us and our relationship and I am starting to wonder whether this will continue (given that he is generous with his friends and family) and if so, whether it is a deal breaker for me. He has been vocal about wanting kids and we have talked about the future, I have absolutely no doubt that he would be generous with his children and they would want for nothing…but what about the mother of his children? We haven’t moved in together yet, again he’s hinted but at the moment I am failing to see how it would work, I have cheap rent where I am at the moment, if he expected me to pay half of everything, I would have about £100 a month leftover to pay for things like haircuts, nights out, clothes etc. I would struggle. I would end up resenting him.

OP posts:
MamaMary · 15/05/2015 09:52

I think you're somewhat missing the point, OP.

The most scandalous thing you have posted, IMO, is the fact that he's happy to let you bring meals to HIS house every time you stay over, which is several times a week. That's just weird and very, very tight of him. Not to mention he gets a free cleaning service. Has he ever offered to treat you for skivvying round his (large) house?

expatinscotland · 15/05/2015 09:53

All that tit for tatting and point scoring would kill this stone cold for me. Don't bring food and wine, but how sad that you have to even behave like this.

expatinscotland · 15/05/2015 09:54

Same here, Quint.

TandemFlux · 15/05/2015 10:04

Can you talk to him. Explain that you are food shopping, cooking for him three times a week, then cleaning and you feel he is taking advantage of you and not making any effort.

WipsGlitter · 15/05/2015 10:09

he never says ‘no don’t worry, it’s my treat.’… Always ‘Okay thanks.’ Who said romance was dead eh?

Being paid for is NOT romance, but you have it in your head that being treated = being loved.

Why are you touting for opinions from his friends?

Only1scoop · 15/05/2015 10:12

I wouldn't want to sit down with a grown man and attempt to explain gracious behaviour and manners.

I wouldn't LET anyone be running over with meals two or three times a week.

CotswoldQueen · 15/05/2015 10:15

Wips, Yes I probably do equate it to romance, I am aware that money is NOT the be all and end all and that everyday kindness is much better than expensive gifts and paying for meals out I DO understand that, I do. But the latter is also nice occasionally and I feel like in 2 years, it’s only happened a few times, which I just think is a bit stingy.
I didn’t say I was going to talk to his friends??? I said talk to my friends and family?

OP posts:
Only1scoop · 15/05/2015 10:17

I would equate it to manners.

zigazigah01 · 15/05/2015 10:18

Good to know that only people with money to provide treats have manners!

findingmyfeet12 · 15/05/2015 10:20

I'm finding it difficult to believe that this man is considerate and kind in other areas when he is so inconsiderate in relation to money. It just doesn't add up.

Fauxlivia · 15/05/2015 10:33

At this stage of the relationship it's supposed to be all sweetness and light. The fact that it's just such bloody hard work is wrong.

Honestly OP I don't think you can change him.

TandemFlux · 15/05/2015 10:34

So will you talk to him?

I can see you do equate cash with romance to some extent. The two don't really go hand in hand though

WipsGlitter · 15/05/2015 10:38

Sorry I mis-read your post.

My DP is what you would call 'tight' - no surprise presents, we split everything, we don't have a joint bank account, we pay for our own cinema tickets (!!!!), when we were dating he had to be told to bring a bottle of wine round occasionally, he rarely buys himself clothes. But he has other qualities that make me love him! He can also be generous when its warranted. Interestingly he also has no debts. He knows to the last penny how much money he has.

If being 'spolit' is important to you then maybe he's not the one, because in my experience you can't really change this mindset.

MamaMary · 15/05/2015 10:54

I'm finding it difficult to believe that this man is considerate and kind in other areas when he is so inconsiderate in relation to money.

And in relation to letting her clean his house and provide his meals for him, when she's at his house.

Letting you do this is not only tight, but unkind and mean.

shirleybasseyslovechild · 15/05/2015 11:17

OP if as you say he is a wonderful boyfriend and a great partner in just about every way except the stinginess does it really matter ?
A lot of the advice on here seems to be insisting that if he is stingy about cinema tickets and loo roll he can't possibly be a good guy , under the surface he must be a right rotter

I think that's unfair. Yes stinginess is bad but you can't extrapolate it as a flaw that runs through your soul making the whole relationship a Bad Thing that will end in misery .
His mean ness doesn't cancel out his good points Smile

MamaMary · 15/05/2015 11:21

shirley, he's not 'just' tight. He's taking advantage of her in other ways too.

WipsGlitter · 15/05/2015 11:30

How is he taking advantage of her?

KissyBoo · 15/05/2015 11:37

All this airy-fairy drifty bollocks on here about romance not costing anything.
Puh-lease. What a crock of shit.

Everything costs money, food, petrol,cars etc in order to enjoy life. Love is what you do rather than what you say. Relationships need investment. They need gestures,spontaneity and kindness to stay alive.

Basically being tight is a lack of kindness, thought or regard for the other person.

zigazigah01 · 15/05/2015 11:39

Because she takes dinner round 4 night a week apparently.

Although he fixes her car and paid towards her holiday.

I can't believe what a hard time this guy is getting. Someone in this thread said her husband isn't allowed to make any purchases without her say so. No one jumped on that as being 'financial abuse' yet I have heard that term used repeatedly here in relation to the OP's bf. Completely OTT reaction IMO.

shirleybasseyslovechild · 15/05/2015 11:39

OP makes it clear he is wonderful and they love each other very much.

in what sense is she taking advantage? it's her choice to clean his house and provide dinner a few nights a week. that's just the sort of thing you do for someone you love if cleaning and cooking is your bag.

shirleybasseyslovechild · 15/05/2015 11:43

only the OP can decide if this particular character trait ( stinginess) outweighs all the good stuff meaning she will chuck him.

I don't get why posters here are INSISTING his stinginess outweighs the good stuff - and in fact is a sign of some deep darkness in his soul that will eventually eat away at the OP and kill the love .

nicecomfymat · 15/05/2015 11:44

There's a relationship like this in one of amy tan's books. Maybe the joy luck club? I can't remember. Anyway it's all you owe me 1.85 for bread and milk etc and her mother has it right when she says 'this not right'.

Life is too short for this bollocks. It never changes. I advised my younger sister in law to ditch a guy at college who had said she'd owed him 12p. This was 10 years ago so, even allowing for inflation, it still makes him a tosspot.

CotswoldQueen · 15/05/2015 11:46

I think Shirley has hit it on the head, I don’t feel taken advantage of at all, he hardly ever asks me to bring dinner around, I do so because I want to. Yes, as stated before, if he’s provided dinner and cooked for 2-3 days in a row, he will hint that I do the next time, is that unreasonable though? He doesn’t stay at mine 4 nights a week, but if he did, I’d probably want him to get dinner occasionally too.

Re cleaning, he has said he appreciates it, it’s a nice gesture but not necessary. Unfortunately, I really don’t like dirt or mess so tough, I clean.

I don’t think he’s taking advantage of me, but I do feel he is keeping me at arm’s length generosity wise when it comes to money and finance.

KissyBoo kind of hit the nail on the head with their comments, relationships DO need investment. They DO need gestures and kindness and generosity sometimes, if not how is it any different to a business relationship or a relationship with an acquaintance?

OP posts:
Gralick · 15/05/2015 11:50

I'm getting fed up with the - very few but persistent - posters rattling on about equating treats/money with love/kindness/manners. This is about fairness. The boyfriend earns three times as much as OP. He buys himself £30k treats. He kindly treats other people and their children to dinner out and gifts of money. But quibbles over a couple of quid with his girlfriend.

When you're three times as rich as your partner, the fair thing to do is spend three times as much as them - pay for three dinners out of four, three-quarters of the holiday, and so on. Not to prioritise your desire for a boat and a generous public image over her need for toilet roll! Obviously (though not to him, heh) it would be a bit strange to quantify everything like that, but in principle it holds that the better-off partner subs the poorer one. It's nothing to do with gender.

If he actually wanted to reduce his lifestyle expenses to the level of OP's, then he should have discussed that with her and come to a working agreement - including a good enough reason why he isn't willing to share & share alike. The reality seems to be that he gets something out of putting one over on her; keeping her in her inferior place; and rubbing her face in it with the treats he affords others. I'm sure he's got plenty of nice qualities - nobody's all bad - but this side of him is repulsive. And it's the side that affects his partner alone, so it's what matters most here.

Twinklestein · 15/05/2015 12:02

he hardly ever asks me to bring dinner around, I do so because I want to. Yes, as stated before, if he’s provided dinner and cooked for 2-3 days in a row, he will hint that I do the next time, is that unreasonable though?

It is unreasonable, yes. It's a horrible thing to be keeping tabs on your outgoings on your partner in such a grasping way. If he would just relax you would get into an equitable routine anyway.

You do 3-4 nights by choice without dropping hints. Because you want to. He does not want to and gets difficult after 2-3.

For someone who ruthlessly accounts for loo roll and popcorn you're giving him a waiver that he will not give you and your income is lower.

At the very least, being tough with him about paying his share for those meals will show him how it feels to be on the receiving end of mean-ness.

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