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DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?

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CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:18

I have been with my DP for 2 years, we have a great relationship, I fancy him rotten, he is kind and caring, we get on great and he DOES make me really happy. I don’t know whether I’m just being a princess, trying to self-sabotage or what but sometimes it just seems like….well I don’t really know.

I guess I could start by saying that my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

When I say he was generous, he would sometimes buy me random, thoughtful presents just because he thought I’d like them. He would always insist on paying when we went out and I would literally have to put the cash for my half into his jacket pocket etc when he wasn’t looking. He would love to celebrate our anniversaries, birthdays etc and would book surprise weekends away or take me out to dinner.

Don’t get me wrong, because he was generous to me, I wanted to be generous to him too and was, I used to spoil him on his birthday and on our anniversary’s etc. It was just nice, I know it’s materialistic but we both just enjoyed treating each other.

Cut to current DP, he has a very good, professional job, earns a lot of money and has a lot of disposable income. He, however, is a saver not a spender. He kinda counts every penny and just, I don’t know, I can’t really explain it but it’s like he resents spending anything on me?

We don’t live together, he has his own (large house) and I currently rent a cottage off a family friend. After paying for my rent, bills and paying off some debts and the animals, I don’t have a vast amount left over each month, enough to have a couple of nights out a month etc but not loads.

Whenever we go out for dinner, it always has to be split, down to the last penny. If I can’t afford to pay half then we (generally, there have been a couple of exceptions) don’t go. There is hardly ever an offer of ‘let’s go out to dinner tonight, I’m paying.’

I stay at his 3, occasionally 4 nights a week, but on the majority of those evenings I bring dinner for us both and wine for myself if drinking it. I clean his house (he is generally tidy but a typical man and can be a bit messy) help to look after his 2 dogs.

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there. A few weeks ago he was going to Tesco and I asked him if he could pick me up some make up remover wipes and deodorant as I had ran out of both, he did. They came to a total of £4.90 and he reminded me about that £4.90 within about 15 mins after getting back, I was going to give him the money FGS but it’s £4, I’m sure he’s not going to go bankrupt if he doesn’t get it within the hour.

I will often pay for things if we go out and he’ll say ‘I’ll transfer you half when we get back.’ And I say ‘It’s fine, it’s only £10 FGS’ The other week we went to the cinema, there was a massive que and I said ‘I’ll get the tickets, why don’t you get in the que for the popcorn.’ He said ‘No it’s fine, the film doesn’t start for another 15 mins yet, we’ve got plenty of time’ So, we finally get to the front and it’s so awkward as before I can say anything he goes ‘Ticket for one please to see XXX.’ The cashier looked really embarrassed, looked at us both and repeated ‘Just the one ticket?’ to which I jumped in before he could say anything and said ‘YES and one for me please too after he’s paid for his.’ We then went to the que for food, I stood in front of him and said ‘I’m going to get a medium, mixed popcorn.’ He then said ‘So how much is that, £3.56, I’ll give you the £1.78 when we get home.’ I had had enough at this point as the couple stood behind us (same couple that had stood behind for the tickets too) I could tell were aghast and snapped IT’S FINE, I CAN TREAT YOU TO SOME BLUMMIN POPCORN!! He looked a bit sheepish but said no, I owe you it, I’ll pay half, which he did!

We had a talk when we got home that night as he could tell I was annoyed, I said we are in a relationship, I do not want to quibble over £1.78 etc, and count every penny, it’s ridiculous and embarrassing. He said okay, let’s take it in turns to pay for things. Fine, but it really is mostly rigid with that and he even keeps a ‘diary’ of who has paid what, it just feel so…… unromantic?? I don’t mind blummin paying for him and treating him to things because I love him, I don’t expect half back etc or for him to rigidly ensure he treats me the next time.

The thing is, although he’s careful with his money he will OCCASIONALLY be generous with me, i.e get the bill if we go out, or the cinema tickets etc but it will be only be occasionally. He is generous to other people in his life, we had his brother and his wife down a few weeks ago and when they arrived on the Friday evening, he took us all out for a 3 course dinner and paid for the lot, same when his parents and friends have visited, in fact, he is pretty generous with his family and friends? He gave his brother a cheque for £8k when they were last down, to put into his two nephew’s trust funds. I felt an enormous rush of love for him when he did this, it was such a lovely, lovely thing to do.

He also went out and spent £30k on a boat a few weeks ago, so it’s really not like he doesn’t like spending money. He definitely doesn’t mind spending on his hobbies etc, he’s just not into frivolous spending I guess but also, doesn’t yet, seem to want to be generous when it comes to me?

Despite all said above, he is unbelievably kind, caring, supportive, good and generous in bed. He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family. He is pretty perfect, but, for some reason I just don’t feel comfortable with him re money.

I am aware this post makes me seem like a mercenary gold digger, I promise you I’m not. I really do, I think I have just been really lucky with my ex in that he was an all-round nice guy and generous to boot. I have now met another all-round nice guy but he just tirelessly counts and records every penny when it comes to us and our relationship and I am starting to wonder whether this will continue (given that he is generous with his friends and family) and if so, whether it is a deal breaker for me. He has been vocal about wanting kids and we have talked about the future, I have absolutely no doubt that he would be generous with his children and they would want for nothing…but what about the mother of his children? We haven’t moved in together yet, again he’s hinted but at the moment I am failing to see how it would work, I have cheap rent where I am at the moment, if he expected me to pay half of everything, I would have about £100 a month leftover to pay for things like haircuts, nights out, clothes etc. I would struggle. I would end up resenting him.

OP posts:
Pipachi · 14/05/2015 22:53

He is tight as a badgers arse. You are not a princess, unless you see yourself as some kind of Cinderella while you are cleaning his house.

You are afraid of showing up at his' with empty hands(!?) and he happily accepts you delivering dinner 4 nights a week.

There has been a couple of instances where, if I have stayed at his a couple of nights and he has provided dinner for those 2 nights, he has said ‘Are you happy to get dinner tonight.’ Grrrrr!

I'm getting angry on your behalf! He doesn't deserve you.

shirleybasseyslovechild · 14/05/2015 23:08

he's tight with money.
you are feckless with money

TheEggityOddity · 14/05/2015 23:29

I think you staying at his that much is much more convenient for him than you. Be honest, who likes kipping at someone else's house? Really, you HAVE to go there because he has dogs. No way should you feel you need to bring food, you're already putting yourself out. If he asks, just say, come to mine tomorrow and I will feed us both. I find it weird that you both bring food rather than just having a fridge at home with stuff for tea!

After two years, I'd imagine you would be thinking about moving in together if things are going well, but it feels like you're miles from this? Good luck with your heart to heart, it's a good idea. You seem really nice and rather too accepting of this 'foible'

Antiopa12 · 14/05/2015 23:44

I packed my bags and left a boyfriend during a weekend away after he complained that I used too much of his shower gel one day. I could not stay with a man who valued 30pence of shower gel more than me. I left the 30 pence on the table and never looked back.

OP I don't think this man values you enough. He loves his money more than you when he presents you with calculations down to the last penny .

Coyoacan · 15/05/2015 03:59

Indeed, who wants to be indirectly called a freeloader by any close friend. I ended a friendship for a similar reason to yours, Antiopa12.

Plarail123 · 15/05/2015 04:12

LTB.

ItsRainingInBaltimore · 15/05/2015 04:14

I could NOT live with a man like this. I don't think I'd have got past a few months actually. It is made so much worse by the fact that he is well off and really doesn't need to stress about every penny. Meanness and an obsession with getting full value of money and never parting with a penny more than is your due is a horrible trait in a person, especially when he is happy to take free stuff, food and services off you. It would drive me absolutely nuts. I don't think you sound like a gold digger ate all btw.

shirleybasseyslovechild · 15/05/2015 05:08

sorry that was harsh.
you may have been feckless with money in the past.
you are certainly not a princess.
I once left a man because he had dogs !

shirleybasseyslovechild · 15/05/2015 05:10

couldn't agree more with Liara

HellKitty · 15/05/2015 05:15

My DP would joke about the amount of toilet roll I used whenever I stayed at his. So he'd buy a 6-pack instead of a 4. When I stayed at his he'd pay for meals and then I would when he stayed at mine. We live together but don't have a joint account, he does bills, I do food/sky. Sometimes I pay for nights out, sometimes he does. It's called give and take. He's known for being tight but he's 'careful'. He would give me every last penny if I needed it.

On your first date, who paid? I'm aware it's the 21stC btw but most first dates are split or he pays - if he asked Wink

Any inklings of tightness then?

sakura · 15/05/2015 07:24

Right HellKitty. Upthread people were saying that he gets worse down the line and she finds herself stuck in hell with 2 kids, she will be told " but it must be your own fault surely? you must have seen the signs..."

HellKitty · 15/05/2015 07:52

Even the toilet rolls are massive red flags Sakura. It really isn't going to get better. My XH hid all his tightness until we were married and I was stuck at home with young DCs. He was a company director at the time on a huge wage and he'd query why I could possibly want £5. I needed to buy a box of Tampax. Arsehole.

brusselsproutwarning · 15/05/2015 07:52

pipachi....Cinderella! Grin
Sorry op but it's true. I know u said it's ocd but it's still cleaning a tightys ass house

QuintShhhhhh · 15/05/2015 08:20

shirleybasseyslovechild Thu 14-May-15 23:08:50

he's tight with money.
you are feckless with money

Well, harsh or not, shirley has a point.
It is feckless to keep feeding and supporting the lifestyle of a Rich and stingy man, when you have debts.
I think you will find without him in Your life you will be able to pay off Your debts much faster!

Twinklestein · 15/05/2015 08:59

The assumption has been from a few posters that this man is a saver rather than a spender, but there's no clear evidence that's the case. 30 grand on a boat is not the action of saver, and boats are poor investments. He doesn't seem to have a problem spending money on himself and his family.

The case is actually that he will not spend a single penny on the OP. Not the same thing at all.

CotswoldQueen · 15/05/2015 09:08

First date- We went for dinner and drinks, he bought them.

Second date- We went for drinks, I think he bought the first couple of rounds and I bought the next.
After that, I can’t really remember tbh.

TBH, I missed my opportune moments I think when his brother and wife came down that time and he took us all out on the Friday evening and also when his friends were round a few weeks later and he did the same thing again. He said ‘I’m taking everyone out tonight for a meal, I’ve booked the table for 7pm so could you make sure you’re over here in time for 6.30pm to leave.’ Honestly, my FIRST thought was ‘well that’s nice, you never do that for me.’ And actually that is maybe what I should’ve SAID, instead of ‘okay cool.’ Or even if then wasn’t particularly the right time, brought it up the next day or something but I’ve never mentioned it.

Like I say, if we go out for dinner and the bill arrives, I will automatically get my purse out and say ‘I’ll pay half’ or ‘you bought the last meal so it’s my turn this time’ and he never says ‘no don’t worry, it’s my treat.’… Always ‘Okay thanks.’ Who said romance was dead eh?

I’ll talk to him, I’ll have to. He’s been away for work this week so I haven’t seen him since Sunday but he’s back today and I’ll be going over tonight so I will try and broach it with him then.

I would really quite like to get some opinions on this from friends and family that know him and us in real life and see what they say on the matter, my friends and family really like him, but I have learnt the hard way in my past that if you confined in your family and friends…they generally don’t forget that conversation and it can make it awkward then going forward.

OP posts:
TandemFlux · 15/05/2015 09:18

Do you treat him? He paid 200 towards your holiday for example. Do you treat him in a similar way?

Jackiebrambles · 15/05/2015 09:19

Don't take any food over tonight Queen!! :)

I agree with talking to family and friends, it would be a good idea.

When I was with my horrible ex I always avoided doing it because I didn't want them to remember it and think badly of him. Then when I finally ended it they all said they had seen some of his bad behaviour and felt awful for me :(

I wish I had confided in them sooner to be honest.

TandemFlux · 15/05/2015 09:24

Yes don't take food tonight. See what happens

QuintShhhhhh · 15/05/2015 09:40

Eat before you go, so YOU dont need Food.

CotswoldQueen · 15/05/2015 09:42

I do treat him yes, granted not to £200 no, but I spend a good £150 on him on his birthdays and at Christmas etc. I, as I have said in this thread don’t mind if I end up buying dinner a couple of times in a row, I buy him random little (only cheap, but thoughtful) gifts sometimes, I bring dinner over to his 3-4 times a week :-p and at the end of the day, I’ll freely admit that he earns 3 x my salary, so yes, in my mind, if I can treat him then he bloody can do me.

OP posts:
HolgerDanske · 15/05/2015 09:44

I would think very, very carefully before you have children with this man. Don't know if that's on the horizon in any meaningful sense, but my gut is saying no, no, no.

HolgerDanske · 15/05/2015 09:45

And even without children in the picture, if it were me I'd be saying goodbye. No way on earth would I let a man complain to me about the terrible crime of using too much loo roll. Ugh.

Only1scoop · 15/05/2015 09:45

Stop being meals on wheels....I wouldn't even do that for someone who treated me perfectly.

Don't take wine or food ....oh and Id go to the loo before you leave.

QuintShhhhhh · 15/05/2015 09:49

This man has it made for him!

You come to his, clean his house, cooks his food, service his sexual needs!

And he complains about you using loo roll.

This man is beginning to infuriate me....