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DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?

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CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:18

I have been with my DP for 2 years, we have a great relationship, I fancy him rotten, he is kind and caring, we get on great and he DOES make me really happy. I don’t know whether I’m just being a princess, trying to self-sabotage or what but sometimes it just seems like….well I don’t really know.

I guess I could start by saying that my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

When I say he was generous, he would sometimes buy me random, thoughtful presents just because he thought I’d like them. He would always insist on paying when we went out and I would literally have to put the cash for my half into his jacket pocket etc when he wasn’t looking. He would love to celebrate our anniversaries, birthdays etc and would book surprise weekends away or take me out to dinner.

Don’t get me wrong, because he was generous to me, I wanted to be generous to him too and was, I used to spoil him on his birthday and on our anniversary’s etc. It was just nice, I know it’s materialistic but we both just enjoyed treating each other.

Cut to current DP, he has a very good, professional job, earns a lot of money and has a lot of disposable income. He, however, is a saver not a spender. He kinda counts every penny and just, I don’t know, I can’t really explain it but it’s like he resents spending anything on me?

We don’t live together, he has his own (large house) and I currently rent a cottage off a family friend. After paying for my rent, bills and paying off some debts and the animals, I don’t have a vast amount left over each month, enough to have a couple of nights out a month etc but not loads.

Whenever we go out for dinner, it always has to be split, down to the last penny. If I can’t afford to pay half then we (generally, there have been a couple of exceptions) don’t go. There is hardly ever an offer of ‘let’s go out to dinner tonight, I’m paying.’

I stay at his 3, occasionally 4 nights a week, but on the majority of those evenings I bring dinner for us both and wine for myself if drinking it. I clean his house (he is generally tidy but a typical man and can be a bit messy) help to look after his 2 dogs.

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there. A few weeks ago he was going to Tesco and I asked him if he could pick me up some make up remover wipes and deodorant as I had ran out of both, he did. They came to a total of £4.90 and he reminded me about that £4.90 within about 15 mins after getting back, I was going to give him the money FGS but it’s £4, I’m sure he’s not going to go bankrupt if he doesn’t get it within the hour.

I will often pay for things if we go out and he’ll say ‘I’ll transfer you half when we get back.’ And I say ‘It’s fine, it’s only £10 FGS’ The other week we went to the cinema, there was a massive que and I said ‘I’ll get the tickets, why don’t you get in the que for the popcorn.’ He said ‘No it’s fine, the film doesn’t start for another 15 mins yet, we’ve got plenty of time’ So, we finally get to the front and it’s so awkward as before I can say anything he goes ‘Ticket for one please to see XXX.’ The cashier looked really embarrassed, looked at us both and repeated ‘Just the one ticket?’ to which I jumped in before he could say anything and said ‘YES and one for me please too after he’s paid for his.’ We then went to the que for food, I stood in front of him and said ‘I’m going to get a medium, mixed popcorn.’ He then said ‘So how much is that, £3.56, I’ll give you the £1.78 when we get home.’ I had had enough at this point as the couple stood behind us (same couple that had stood behind for the tickets too) I could tell were aghast and snapped IT’S FINE, I CAN TREAT YOU TO SOME BLUMMIN POPCORN!! He looked a bit sheepish but said no, I owe you it, I’ll pay half, which he did!

We had a talk when we got home that night as he could tell I was annoyed, I said we are in a relationship, I do not want to quibble over £1.78 etc, and count every penny, it’s ridiculous and embarrassing. He said okay, let’s take it in turns to pay for things. Fine, but it really is mostly rigid with that and he even keeps a ‘diary’ of who has paid what, it just feel so…… unromantic?? I don’t mind blummin paying for him and treating him to things because I love him, I don’t expect half back etc or for him to rigidly ensure he treats me the next time.

The thing is, although he’s careful with his money he will OCCASIONALLY be generous with me, i.e get the bill if we go out, or the cinema tickets etc but it will be only be occasionally. He is generous to other people in his life, we had his brother and his wife down a few weeks ago and when they arrived on the Friday evening, he took us all out for a 3 course dinner and paid for the lot, same when his parents and friends have visited, in fact, he is pretty generous with his family and friends? He gave his brother a cheque for £8k when they were last down, to put into his two nephew’s trust funds. I felt an enormous rush of love for him when he did this, it was such a lovely, lovely thing to do.

He also went out and spent £30k on a boat a few weeks ago, so it’s really not like he doesn’t like spending money. He definitely doesn’t mind spending on his hobbies etc, he’s just not into frivolous spending I guess but also, doesn’t yet, seem to want to be generous when it comes to me?

Despite all said above, he is unbelievably kind, caring, supportive, good and generous in bed. He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family. He is pretty perfect, but, for some reason I just don’t feel comfortable with him re money.

I am aware this post makes me seem like a mercenary gold digger, I promise you I’m not. I really do, I think I have just been really lucky with my ex in that he was an all-round nice guy and generous to boot. I have now met another all-round nice guy but he just tirelessly counts and records every penny when it comes to us and our relationship and I am starting to wonder whether this will continue (given that he is generous with his friends and family) and if so, whether it is a deal breaker for me. He has been vocal about wanting kids and we have talked about the future, I have absolutely no doubt that he would be generous with his children and they would want for nothing…but what about the mother of his children? We haven’t moved in together yet, again he’s hinted but at the moment I am failing to see how it would work, I have cheap rent where I am at the moment, if he expected me to pay half of everything, I would have about £100 a month leftover to pay for things like haircuts, nights out, clothes etc. I would struggle. I would end up resenting him.

OP posts:
sakura · 14/05/2015 16:35

This thread has attracted a lot of attention and fascination. It could be the wording of the title.
Basically he sounds quite exciting on paper: buying a boat, extravagant gifts of money to family members etc.
But wives of these type of men know what it's really like living with them. And it is shit. It's all about the facade and public persona here, while in private he's quibbling about popcorn and USING his girlfriend's money.
And I am being generous.

I'm not to let the toilet roll issue go. He sounds like one of these and ugly characters who enjoys humiliating his female spouse. Brrr.
OP Read the description above about the MIL who was cold and hungry and whose basic needs were kept from her while her husband spent money on suits and cars because he "worked". Read it and weep.

Zillie77 · 14/05/2015 16:36

Gosh, even with pals/coworkers headed out for coffee, we usually fight to hand the cashier the money first to pay for everyone's drinks! I just don't get his stinginess and the minute calculations of amounts owed, etc.

Alibabsandthe40Musketeers · 14/05/2015 16:46

OP you don't come over as being the dominant one in this relationship, you really don't. He does as he pleases, is clearly entirely happy with the status quo. You aren't. Who is the dominant one?

The cleaning thing is, in my opinion as I read through the thread, an attempt by the OP to earn some traction. What are you hoping OP? That he will fall on his knees with gratitude at you mopping his floors and whisk you away to Paris for the weekend in exchange??

I realise that comes over rather harshly, but I am really stunned that you allow him to treat you this way.
You were on holiday with friends - and he treated the other woman to her favourite perfume rather than his own girlfriend? I bet that other couple thought that was odder than odd.

5hell · 14/05/2015 16:55

well, you porbably dont need my 2p worth afetr 16 pages of chatter, but what the heck... :)

to answer the qn is your DP tight?.... yes, it does sound like he is (by the standards of the 'average' person), but I also think you may have been a little spoilt by your last ex (in a nice way)

...however, we can all have very different attitudes to money - some people like to spend it, some like to save it, some dont worry about it at all, some never stop worrying, some are naturally 'good' with money, some cant stop themselves getting into debt etc etc, and the reasons for our behaviour will vary wildly too.

I dont think it's terribly fair or helpful to assainate this guy for being tight (there are much worse character traits after all!), what matters is whether or not the OP and her DP can find some common ground / reach a compromise. 2yrs isn't long in some ways, and depending on how fast the relastionship has progressed you may be at a very different sharing/trust/openess stage to others.

Talk to him about how you feel - and how he feels.
maybe try some sort of joint 'pot/purse' from which incidentals (cinema, snacks, loo roll?!) you both utilise/enjoy could be purchased? (at least this might be less obvious/embarrassing when out and about!)

good luck

Variousrandomthings · 14/05/2015 17:01

Helena - your ex is nothing like OP's DH. Your ex obviously was 100% tight through and through. OP's DH has been tight a small number of times.

OP you are basically saying he was tight once with the loo roll and on one other occasion he was tight with the cinema ticket buying. So extremely measly only three of four times in a 2 year period. He's paid cash towards your holiday and towards other special experiences and investments. He obviously likes to use his money wisely and has had to get over being taken advantage of by his ex.

findingmyfeet12 · 14/05/2015 17:02

I don't think he comes across as being tight at all - he seems to have no problem spending money on himself and others.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 14/05/2015 17:44

Not that it matters but I read it as being OP's friend's H that bought the friend a bottle of her favourite perfume, not OP's DP Alibabs (ie the sort of gesture she'd like from DP minus getting charged for it).

ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 14/05/2015 17:52

Helana

OP has a DP. not a DH. big difference

ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 14/05/2015 17:52

sorry that was not to Helena but Various

anonacfr · 14/05/2015 18:22

He keeps a record of what they spend on nights out to make sure he doesn't pay more than his share.

He splits cinema tickets.

He asks her to buy toilet paper because 'she uses too much'.

He asks her to bring food over if she has the audacity to finish off leftovers he cooked the night before so that he doesn't have to provide her food three times in a row.

Wow. What a charmer.

Twinklestein · 14/05/2015 20:39

I just had to say that I told my husband about the loo roll and he was horrified.

He said this man does not have a problem with money he has a problem with relationships.

Lweji · 14/05/2015 20:50

He splits cinema tickets.

Rather, he buys single cinema tickets, not even mentioning that it's supposed to be part of a pair, when he is going as a couple. I'm sure that's on the list of most outrageous things ever witnessed by the cashier at his job.

Twinklestein · 14/05/2015 20:56

The cashier's probably never heard the one about the man whose gf buys him supper 3 x a week and has to buy her own loo roll.

Yes I am obsessed, I will never forget it!

Lweji · 14/05/2015 21:05

OP, could you next time tell the cashier and the people behind you about the loo roll?

And pay your own dinner when he's buying dinners for his family and friends, as it's the way you do it. Unless he made you pay for your dinner then. I doubt he did. I suspect they would be Hmm The same about his asking you to take toilet paper to his place.

PoppyField · 14/05/2015 21:06

I can't get past the loo roll thing. Really OP, you have to move past this guy.

Liara · 14/05/2015 21:17

Dh and I are a bit like the OP and his DP, but in reverse.

Dh is a spender. I am a saver. He has always bought me random gifts and stuff and paid for everything and so on. It has always made me miserable, as I don't want lots of crap in my life, I want to use as few resources as possible and I want to save for the future, or to give to my family when they need it (I have happily given them many 000s when they needed it and I could, his family too).

I offered numerous times over the years that we should have separate finances and then he could fritter away his money on whatever he wanted, but he always felt that would be the beginning of the end, so agreed that I could make a budget and he would stick to it. In fact we have had many, many rows over the years (despite money not having been an issue for most of our relationship).

Over the years, he has come to see things my way. It is really hard for him, as he just never had the habit of being good with money in any way. He now avoids making any purchases, other than things I explicitly tell him to and I do all the admin and money stuff, despite him being the only earner atm. Funnily enough, he can really see it with the children now we have them and hates it when people bring them random crap as gifts.

There is a fundamental difference in world view between spenders and savers. It is more than skin deep, it is a difference in what we consider to be the 'nice' thing to do. 'Little gifts' and other short term indulgences we mostly see as waste, and we dislike waste. Being careful with money and making sure there is a cushion for any eventuality we consider to be the loving, caring thing to do.

I have to say from a social conditioning point of view it is easier to have it my way round than the OPs, though. Society looks well upon women who do not spend too much and insist on paying their way, less so on men.

HelenaDove · 14/05/2015 21:23

Various i posted about my ex because there are similarities. Even down to the loo roll.

OP is two years in. Those things happened to me four and a half years in These things escalate.

HelenaDove · 14/05/2015 21:25

Lweji Thu 14-May-15 15:56:10
I bet you'd be asking the OP in a few years, at home, no earning power, not being able to buy anything for herself, "didn't you see the early signs?" "why did you get together with him?".

THIS A thousand times this Lweji you have explained it better than i did.

GoatsDoRoam · 14/05/2015 21:38

Absolutely. Any woman who gets together with a man who is this controlling about money should be prepared to never give up paid work in order to become a SAHM.

brusselsproutwarning · 14/05/2015 21:53

Wow this thread is popular. So I'll just say No you're not a princess and Yes he's tight....with you.

AmyLeeha · 14/05/2015 21:58

I can't read all the posts just now so apologies if this has already been done:
OP stop cleaning ANYTHING in that house for any reason. He knows the price of everything down to the last penny, but doesn't calculate your cleaning?!

I don't have any suggestions other than that, just stop!

Ilelo · 14/05/2015 22:08

Haven't read all the post either but he is way too tight!

I couldn't possibly be in a relationship with someone like him no matter how much money he has!

MamaMary · 14/05/2015 22:11

I've read the whole thread.

I don't like the sound of him. And he'll only get worse/ it will annoy you more and more.

I am baffled by the cooking arrangements - why on earth are you carting food round to his 4 nights a week? It makes no sense to me. And then if he feeds you two nights in a row he's asking you to stump up for the next meal! Do you understand that that is bizarre behaviour/ not normal?

cerealqueen · 14/05/2015 22:33

I think its fair you share the bills but the loo roll thing ? A 30k boat and he niggles you over loo roll? Now you can't poo in peace for worrying about how much you are using.

The cinema thing where he bought his own ticket, is too weird. I'd have bought one for a different film and got a cab home.

He doesn't see you as a couple.

buggerthebotox · 14/05/2015 22:45

My stbx used to be a bit like this-tight as a duck's arse. Every transaction was written in a book. He was poorer then, but quite well-off now. He routinely buys food at or after its sell-by, just because it's cheap; he'll buy bogofs just because they're cheap. He makes a point of it, which is worrying (to me anyway).

In his case, there's definitely a connection between his meanness with money and his mean personality. I find many tight people are like this.

Apart from the loo roll issue, I'd be wondering about his generosity to the rest of his family. He seems to be using money to prove something to them. Perhaps he's trying to buy their respect? Their admiration? Their love? Even the boat seems more of a show-off thing than anything else.

Run for the hills, Op!

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