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DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?

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CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:18

I have been with my DP for 2 years, we have a great relationship, I fancy him rotten, he is kind and caring, we get on great and he DOES make me really happy. I don’t know whether I’m just being a princess, trying to self-sabotage or what but sometimes it just seems like….well I don’t really know.

I guess I could start by saying that my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

When I say he was generous, he would sometimes buy me random, thoughtful presents just because he thought I’d like them. He would always insist on paying when we went out and I would literally have to put the cash for my half into his jacket pocket etc when he wasn’t looking. He would love to celebrate our anniversaries, birthdays etc and would book surprise weekends away or take me out to dinner.

Don’t get me wrong, because he was generous to me, I wanted to be generous to him too and was, I used to spoil him on his birthday and on our anniversary’s etc. It was just nice, I know it’s materialistic but we both just enjoyed treating each other.

Cut to current DP, he has a very good, professional job, earns a lot of money and has a lot of disposable income. He, however, is a saver not a spender. He kinda counts every penny and just, I don’t know, I can’t really explain it but it’s like he resents spending anything on me?

We don’t live together, he has his own (large house) and I currently rent a cottage off a family friend. After paying for my rent, bills and paying off some debts and the animals, I don’t have a vast amount left over each month, enough to have a couple of nights out a month etc but not loads.

Whenever we go out for dinner, it always has to be split, down to the last penny. If I can’t afford to pay half then we (generally, there have been a couple of exceptions) don’t go. There is hardly ever an offer of ‘let’s go out to dinner tonight, I’m paying.’

I stay at his 3, occasionally 4 nights a week, but on the majority of those evenings I bring dinner for us both and wine for myself if drinking it. I clean his house (he is generally tidy but a typical man and can be a bit messy) help to look after his 2 dogs.

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there. A few weeks ago he was going to Tesco and I asked him if he could pick me up some make up remover wipes and deodorant as I had ran out of both, he did. They came to a total of £4.90 and he reminded me about that £4.90 within about 15 mins after getting back, I was going to give him the money FGS but it’s £4, I’m sure he’s not going to go bankrupt if he doesn’t get it within the hour.

I will often pay for things if we go out and he’ll say ‘I’ll transfer you half when we get back.’ And I say ‘It’s fine, it’s only £10 FGS’ The other week we went to the cinema, there was a massive que and I said ‘I’ll get the tickets, why don’t you get in the que for the popcorn.’ He said ‘No it’s fine, the film doesn’t start for another 15 mins yet, we’ve got plenty of time’ So, we finally get to the front and it’s so awkward as before I can say anything he goes ‘Ticket for one please to see XXX.’ The cashier looked really embarrassed, looked at us both and repeated ‘Just the one ticket?’ to which I jumped in before he could say anything and said ‘YES and one for me please too after he’s paid for his.’ We then went to the que for food, I stood in front of him and said ‘I’m going to get a medium, mixed popcorn.’ He then said ‘So how much is that, £3.56, I’ll give you the £1.78 when we get home.’ I had had enough at this point as the couple stood behind us (same couple that had stood behind for the tickets too) I could tell were aghast and snapped IT’S FINE, I CAN TREAT YOU TO SOME BLUMMIN POPCORN!! He looked a bit sheepish but said no, I owe you it, I’ll pay half, which he did!

We had a talk when we got home that night as he could tell I was annoyed, I said we are in a relationship, I do not want to quibble over £1.78 etc, and count every penny, it’s ridiculous and embarrassing. He said okay, let’s take it in turns to pay for things. Fine, but it really is mostly rigid with that and he even keeps a ‘diary’ of who has paid what, it just feel so…… unromantic?? I don’t mind blummin paying for him and treating him to things because I love him, I don’t expect half back etc or for him to rigidly ensure he treats me the next time.

The thing is, although he’s careful with his money he will OCCASIONALLY be generous with me, i.e get the bill if we go out, or the cinema tickets etc but it will be only be occasionally. He is generous to other people in his life, we had his brother and his wife down a few weeks ago and when they arrived on the Friday evening, he took us all out for a 3 course dinner and paid for the lot, same when his parents and friends have visited, in fact, he is pretty generous with his family and friends? He gave his brother a cheque for £8k when they were last down, to put into his two nephew’s trust funds. I felt an enormous rush of love for him when he did this, it was such a lovely, lovely thing to do.

He also went out and spent £30k on a boat a few weeks ago, so it’s really not like he doesn’t like spending money. He definitely doesn’t mind spending on his hobbies etc, he’s just not into frivolous spending I guess but also, doesn’t yet, seem to want to be generous when it comes to me?

Despite all said above, he is unbelievably kind, caring, supportive, good and generous in bed. He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family. He is pretty perfect, but, for some reason I just don’t feel comfortable with him re money.

I am aware this post makes me seem like a mercenary gold digger, I promise you I’m not. I really do, I think I have just been really lucky with my ex in that he was an all-round nice guy and generous to boot. I have now met another all-round nice guy but he just tirelessly counts and records every penny when it comes to us and our relationship and I am starting to wonder whether this will continue (given that he is generous with his friends and family) and if so, whether it is a deal breaker for me. He has been vocal about wanting kids and we have talked about the future, I have absolutely no doubt that he would be generous with his children and they would want for nothing…but what about the mother of his children? We haven’t moved in together yet, again he’s hinted but at the moment I am failing to see how it would work, I have cheap rent where I am at the moment, if he expected me to pay half of everything, I would have about £100 a month leftover to pay for things like haircuts, nights out, clothes etc. I would struggle. I would end up resenting him.

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findingmyfeet12 · 14/05/2015 14:56

Sorry to sound negative but his behaviour towards his family shows that he is not generally tight fisted. He is only behaving like that towards you. I think it's a relationship issue rather than a bad habits issue.

He either doesn't trust you to stay with him or her doesn't expect himself to stay with you in the long term.

trevortrevorslatterfry · 14/05/2015 15:00

I just think this is (he is) weird:

he can be a generous person (as he’s shown with his friends and family) and my only reservation is that that hasn’t yet extended to me and I think that could be because he’s wary about me and money

You're not asking him to make an investment (are you)? Why would occasionally treating you or bringing you a bunch of flowers have any relationship to your attitude to money? Do you think he'll bring you presents once you've paid your debts off .. I don't.

If he's been with you for 2 years then surely he considers you trustworthy.. if he harbours doubts that you're there to fleece him for his money then why on earth is he still with you?

It seems like you are very far apart in your attitudes to money and it's hard to reconcile the idea of someone so stingy with your description of him as lovely in all other ways.

Whatever you decide, make sure you do get it sorted out before you get married. I'm the higher earner by miles in my relationship and I wouldn't dream of asking DH to pay 50% - in fact all money is joint money.

This image is normally used in a different context but I think it's relevant here - equality (in this case of spending) doesn't always create fairness!

DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?
HelenaDove · 14/05/2015 15:01

The loo roll thing reminded me of my ex which i mentioned upthread. This is a more detailed post which i posted 5 years ago which is on the linked thread.

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#91 31st Aug 10, 5:39 PM
Hi I felt i had to join this site to conribute to this thread.One poster suggested to the OP to get a job.Well how can she attend a job interview in her only pair of holey shoes.The interviewer would think she didnt care.I once dated a man like the OPs husband.
1 My ex would time me in the shower only allowing me THREE MINUTES maximum (worried about his water meter)
2 i was round his late one night and when it came for time to take me home we found his sisters car which he had borrowed had been broken into,drivers window smashed glass everywhere both big shards and very small ones.I couldnt believe what he then said.
"well it will be a bit cold but i will brush the glass of the seats and drive you home" He actually expected me to risk sitting on broken glass rather than fork out for a taxi He insisted he had no money i only had 10 pounds to my name until payday. It wasnt until we went to the cashpoint i found out he had 700 pounds and it was only 4 days till his next payday.He begrudgingly lent me 30 pounds for a taxi after i phoned the cab company and got an exact quote from them and yes i paid him back.No way could we drive around in car with a smashed window.Police might have thought my ex was the one who pinched it and it would have caused complications getting the crime number which you need for the insurance payout.Oh and it was November so it was cold
He refused to by a present for his brothers 40th not even a cheap bottle of plonk even though i offered to go halves yet he insisted on going to the party
He saw a duvet set in my catologue that he fancied so he asked me to order it and he would pay me back when it was delivered.
On the day it came i met him for dinner and took the duvet set with me and instinct told me to take the invoice as well.I gave him the set we went and sat down and i asked him for the money so i could pay off the invoice.Every time i asked he kept changing the subject and this went on for a good hour and a half.In the end i had to put the invoice in his lap.
The straw that broke the camels back in the end?He invited (insisted) that i pop round three days before Christmas and didnt tell me he had a really bad tummy bug and then he CRAP**D the bed I KID YOU NOT.He said he thought it was safe enough to try and fart HIS WORDS I went down with said bug on the Boxing Day.I was absolutely furious.I ended the relationship on New Years Eve.
Incidentally he would NEVER buy groceries at all unless he knew i was coming over 1 packet of pasta 1packet of pasta sauce 1 bottle of diet coke and garlic bread.One time i was too ill to go over and he had a right go at me cos he had already bought this stuff. He did deliveries for an Indian takeaway five nights a week and they gave him a free meal to take home every night.When i pointed out this was bad for his health he just said "Its free.
In the summertime i used to buy ice cream and leave it in his freezer.I gave up on this after a while as he would just let the electric run out and the ice cream would melt. One time i was getting out of the shower at his one NIGHT and the electric just went off and i nearly slipped.He would only get a tenner out of the cashpoint at a time but then would get the car out to take the five minute drive to the cashpoint every time he needed more
By the way this was a man in his early fifties.
There was also a time that he refused to go out and buy more toilet roll when he once ran out when i was over there and told me to take my Imodium so i woudnt need to go.(i suffer from IBS) I sincerly hope that no woman ever has children with my ex.It would be a pass port to poverty. I will NEVER tolerate a tightwad again

KissyBoo · 14/05/2015 15:14

He sounds really ill-mannered. I would be mortified not to provide food for people invited into my home let alone someone I was in a relationship with.

If you really think this relationship is still worth it then I suggest you tell him you are going to have a concerted effort to clear your debts for however long it is going to take. Eat elsewhere and turn up at his after. Don't go out at all with him anywhere if expense is involved. Basically be as tight as you can to take care of yourself because this man is only concerned for himself.

Personally I agree with the poster who said he is using you. There is no romance here. Money is supposed to be about enjoying life not accumulation for the sake of it.

This reminds me of my extremely tight-fisted FIL. When he first married my MIL she had friends over from the states. He timed their showers, made constant references to how much they ate and how much electricity it cost him. They never came to see her again until she divorced him and she felt unable to have friends over again because of how he had humiliated her. In the course of the marriage she became a drudge. She was a SAHM for a while and felt unable to have any of her basic needs met due to criticism. She was hungry,cold and poorly clothed whilst he bought new cars/suits etc because he 'worked'. When it came to the weekly shop she carried it all back by hand because he made such a big deal about wear and tear on the cars and petrol for a short journey. She went back to work, eventually divorced him at which point he faked being sick and took 70% of the marital assets. He repeated this again with his next wife.

With his second wife things were so bad between them that the crunch came when he quibbled with her over a supermarket bill, at the checkout, insisting he be compensated 38p as it wasn't an exactly even split. They argued in their divorce about an equal splitting of tea-towels. That is how corrosive living with a bean counter gets. I think this money thing is indicative of a potentially abusive nature.

It isn't normal. Healthy relationships do not operate like this.

Lweji · 14/05/2015 15:23

I wonder what his ex would have to say.
It might make an interesting story.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 14/05/2015 15:26

Well both of you are dwelling on how your exes were with money. It is affecting the relationship now so I agree you need to sort it out pronto.

If he's in every other way irreproachable I hope you can find a middle way. But I'd be pessimistic.

I can see why you being in debt might have worried him but you say you've been addressing that since being involved with him. That recording of sums in a notebook or diary... yes a useful trick when low on funds and economising. I can't square buying a £30K boat for himself with the fuss about cinema tickets and loo roll with his gf after two years' closeness.

Twinklestein · 14/05/2015 15:35

I agree it's very bad manners to accept someone coming to your house always laden with food.

I would personally feel bad about that whether it was a friend or partner. I actually couldn't let someone keep doing that without at the very least offering to contribute. It shows in this area he does not have a conscience.

It would actually make more sense for you to do a joint online shop that's delivered on Monday evening with items for you both to cook during the week.

Twinklestein · 14/05/2015 15:39

Boats' value depreciates faster than cars, if he'd invested it in something sensible like a deposit on a flat with BTL mortgage, fine. But it's just a very expensive toy.

bagoflimes · 14/05/2015 15:40

I agree this could be indicative of an abusive and disturbed nature.

Humiliating you at the cinema: not the action of someone who cares about you. I think he knew full well what he was doing there. Would he have done that to his brother and his wife and kids if they were there?

The insisting on paying for half the popcorn is a way of gaslighting you: so he can say "look, I was being fair there" despite what he had just done.

Taking gender out of it, I had an (ex) female friend who would do the same thing: she would alternate between OTT largesse and random acts of weird stinginess (eg I saw her do the "not putting in for her share and using the tip" to pay for her share of a group meal).

Her parents were abusive with a lot of assets, and would use cutting out of the will threat to keep their children in check.

She inherited that idea of money as something to control/punish/reward people with, rather than communicating assertively or just going along with social norms?

So she'd indicate how much she was enjoying herself or how much she wasn't by just refusing to contribute: it was like people had to "prove" themselves to her all the time.

When out for a drink, she'd sometimes make a big deal of getting in first so she didn't have to get into rounds. But then she'd leave a £10 tip occasionally for a £7 bill.

(I don't socialise with her any more. I don't miss her - she was a sweet person in some ways but it was such a drain on my emotions!).

zigazigah01 · 14/05/2015 15:50

Disturbed?!!

Really??!! I think some of you are desperate to see abuse!

sakura · 14/05/2015 15:55

"women who don't work" lol Hmm that was random avantbard

Lweji · 14/05/2015 15:56

I bet you'd be asking the OP in a few years, at home, no earning power, not being able to buy anything for herself, "didn't you see the early signs?" "why did you get together with him?".

It is at this stage that the early signs of abuse should be detected and for the relationship to be evaluated.

There are quite a few red flags here. If you'd be happy to enter a relationship with such a man, go ahead. I don't advise anyone to do it, based on the description given by the OP.

TurnipCake · 14/05/2015 15:59

You do realise he's setting you up for a humiliating fall (in addition to having humiliated you in public) once you point out all the things you have done in terms of cooking and cleaning for him, "But I never asked you to do any of that!"

The toilet roll, the effing popcorn?! Where is your anger?

CotswoldQueen · 14/05/2015 16:00

Re holidays,

Yes, we have been on 2 holidays since we’ve been together.

The first was 7 months into our relationship, we both paid for ourselves and then took it in turn to pay for things on holiday.

The last holiday, he wanted to go on but I couldn’t really afford it, well I could, just not all of it and I really wanted to go so he paid £200 towards mine. Again, we split things evenly when we went out in the evenings etc.

OP posts:
findingmyfeet12 · 14/05/2015 16:04

You mentioned that you are in debt. Is it possible that he's worried about your ability to budget and manage money if you were to move in together or marry?

zigazigah01 · 14/05/2015 16:08

I would say paying £2k towards your holiday is pretty generous tbh. (And a holiday that costs more than £2k per person is an expensive holiday if you ask me).

Not sure why he is being unfavourably compared to your friend's husband in that regard now!

zigazigah01 · 14/05/2015 16:09

Ah £200 not £2000. Maybe he is a tightarse after all!

Ignore me.

CotswoldQueen · 14/05/2015 16:09

Where are you getting £2k from??? It clearly states £200!!!

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BitOutOfPractice · 14/05/2015 16:13

OP you haven't answered if you have an OCD diagnosis. I'm curious about the cleaning thing

zigazigah01 · 14/05/2015 16:14

My apologies.

Joysmum · 14/05/2015 16:15

When my DH and I first started out together, he was on bugger all money as he was doing and apprenticeship. I had a job working 60 hours a week and the only way we could afford to do anything was if I paid. It was no big deal as I liked to treat him.

Jan45 · 14/05/2015 16:18

Firstly, we all have debt, at least me and everyone I know have about 2 or 3 grand debt, it's normal, not many of us are affluent enough to go out and spend 30K on a bloody boat.

You've had 2 hols in 2 years and he contributed to the last one by £200, I find that really unbelievable when he is penny pinching over bog roll and cinema tickets, did you have to pay him it back or was it seen as a gift?

You must feel at times like he is punishing you for not being a high earner, I'd feel crap if my partner was constantly reminding me that I was less better off than him, it should not bloody matter.

Has he ever given you a romantic gesture, I know money is not everything but there's not much you can do without it.

Just be careful that he is not secretly enjoying the dinners being delivered, the house being cleaned, sex on a plate and him guilt tripping you over hols you can't go on!

We are all being quite negative I know, it's not directed at you at all but read your OP and trust your gut, it's never wrong.

bumblingbovine49 · 14/05/2015 16:20

He has already pretty much said to you that he does not trust you with money (or specifically his money). This seems like it is the nub really. You seem upset that he doesn't trust you not to spend all his money which is understandable. You REALLY need to discuss this with him in a grown up way and he needs to start trusting you with money. If you don't live up to that trust then that is one thing but if he never gives you the chance to do this, how will this work in the long run?

paddymcgintysmum · 14/05/2015 16:28

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