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DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?

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CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:18

I have been with my DP for 2 years, we have a great relationship, I fancy him rotten, he is kind and caring, we get on great and he DOES make me really happy. I don’t know whether I’m just being a princess, trying to self-sabotage or what but sometimes it just seems like….well I don’t really know.

I guess I could start by saying that my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

When I say he was generous, he would sometimes buy me random, thoughtful presents just because he thought I’d like them. He would always insist on paying when we went out and I would literally have to put the cash for my half into his jacket pocket etc when he wasn’t looking. He would love to celebrate our anniversaries, birthdays etc and would book surprise weekends away or take me out to dinner.

Don’t get me wrong, because he was generous to me, I wanted to be generous to him too and was, I used to spoil him on his birthday and on our anniversary’s etc. It was just nice, I know it’s materialistic but we both just enjoyed treating each other.

Cut to current DP, he has a very good, professional job, earns a lot of money and has a lot of disposable income. He, however, is a saver not a spender. He kinda counts every penny and just, I don’t know, I can’t really explain it but it’s like he resents spending anything on me?

We don’t live together, he has his own (large house) and I currently rent a cottage off a family friend. After paying for my rent, bills and paying off some debts and the animals, I don’t have a vast amount left over each month, enough to have a couple of nights out a month etc but not loads.

Whenever we go out for dinner, it always has to be split, down to the last penny. If I can’t afford to pay half then we (generally, there have been a couple of exceptions) don’t go. There is hardly ever an offer of ‘let’s go out to dinner tonight, I’m paying.’

I stay at his 3, occasionally 4 nights a week, but on the majority of those evenings I bring dinner for us both and wine for myself if drinking it. I clean his house (he is generally tidy but a typical man and can be a bit messy) help to look after his 2 dogs.

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there. A few weeks ago he was going to Tesco and I asked him if he could pick me up some make up remover wipes and deodorant as I had ran out of both, he did. They came to a total of £4.90 and he reminded me about that £4.90 within about 15 mins after getting back, I was going to give him the money FGS but it’s £4, I’m sure he’s not going to go bankrupt if he doesn’t get it within the hour.

I will often pay for things if we go out and he’ll say ‘I’ll transfer you half when we get back.’ And I say ‘It’s fine, it’s only £10 FGS’ The other week we went to the cinema, there was a massive que and I said ‘I’ll get the tickets, why don’t you get in the que for the popcorn.’ He said ‘No it’s fine, the film doesn’t start for another 15 mins yet, we’ve got plenty of time’ So, we finally get to the front and it’s so awkward as before I can say anything he goes ‘Ticket for one please to see XXX.’ The cashier looked really embarrassed, looked at us both and repeated ‘Just the one ticket?’ to which I jumped in before he could say anything and said ‘YES and one for me please too after he’s paid for his.’ We then went to the que for food, I stood in front of him and said ‘I’m going to get a medium, mixed popcorn.’ He then said ‘So how much is that, £3.56, I’ll give you the £1.78 when we get home.’ I had had enough at this point as the couple stood behind us (same couple that had stood behind for the tickets too) I could tell were aghast and snapped IT’S FINE, I CAN TREAT YOU TO SOME BLUMMIN POPCORN!! He looked a bit sheepish but said no, I owe you it, I’ll pay half, which he did!

We had a talk when we got home that night as he could tell I was annoyed, I said we are in a relationship, I do not want to quibble over £1.78 etc, and count every penny, it’s ridiculous and embarrassing. He said okay, let’s take it in turns to pay for things. Fine, but it really is mostly rigid with that and he even keeps a ‘diary’ of who has paid what, it just feel so…… unromantic?? I don’t mind blummin paying for him and treating him to things because I love him, I don’t expect half back etc or for him to rigidly ensure he treats me the next time.

The thing is, although he’s careful with his money he will OCCASIONALLY be generous with me, i.e get the bill if we go out, or the cinema tickets etc but it will be only be occasionally. He is generous to other people in his life, we had his brother and his wife down a few weeks ago and when they arrived on the Friday evening, he took us all out for a 3 course dinner and paid for the lot, same when his parents and friends have visited, in fact, he is pretty generous with his family and friends? He gave his brother a cheque for £8k when they were last down, to put into his two nephew’s trust funds. I felt an enormous rush of love for him when he did this, it was such a lovely, lovely thing to do.

He also went out and spent £30k on a boat a few weeks ago, so it’s really not like he doesn’t like spending money. He definitely doesn’t mind spending on his hobbies etc, he’s just not into frivolous spending I guess but also, doesn’t yet, seem to want to be generous when it comes to me?

Despite all said above, he is unbelievably kind, caring, supportive, good and generous in bed. He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family. He is pretty perfect, but, for some reason I just don’t feel comfortable with him re money.

I am aware this post makes me seem like a mercenary gold digger, I promise you I’m not. I really do, I think I have just been really lucky with my ex in that he was an all-round nice guy and generous to boot. I have now met another all-round nice guy but he just tirelessly counts and records every penny when it comes to us and our relationship and I am starting to wonder whether this will continue (given that he is generous with his friends and family) and if so, whether it is a deal breaker for me. He has been vocal about wanting kids and we have talked about the future, I have absolutely no doubt that he would be generous with his children and they would want for nothing…but what about the mother of his children? We haven’t moved in together yet, again he’s hinted but at the moment I am failing to see how it would work, I have cheap rent where I am at the moment, if he expected me to pay half of everything, I would have about £100 a month leftover to pay for things like haircuts, nights out, clothes etc. I would struggle. I would end up resenting him.

OP posts:
Thenapoleonofcrime · 14/05/2015 12:59

And- I completely agree with those saying food is a really expensive thing to be buying all the time. I bet you buy nice expensive food and wine too, not the cheapest budget stuff. If you added up your receipts from last week for food and wine taken to his house, what does it come to? It seems totally weird that he is making jokes about loo roll but happy for you to pay for him to eat (and what's the betting on the days you don't go, he eats cheap or a takeaway or a readymade meal).

I agree with the posters that say you seem to be so keen to not appear grabby or princess like, you are actually disadvantaging yourself financially. I also think it's stingy you have to pay half, when you earn much less. When I earn more than my husband (some years) I pay more things, and vice versa.

Twinklestein · 14/05/2015 12:59

Yes, the majority of the time when I go to his I bring us dinner but I would have to eat anyway and I think it’s rude to keep turning up on someone’s doorstep and expect to be fed?

Well I think it's rude to expect someone to keep turning up on your doorstep with food. You seem to go to his more than he goes to yours.

He's so anal about chasing you for every last penny that you should make sure he pays you for half the food. That money could be going towards paying for your debt.

If you are buying food for two 3-4 times per week, at the most conservative estimate that's going to be £40 per week for the two of you. If he just paid you his £20 per week, you'd save roughly £1000 in a year.

Twinklestein · 14/05/2015 13:02

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Jan45 · 14/05/2015 13:04

Zig: no romance normally contains nice conversations and the occasional treat, not nit picking about bog roll and a 50/50 split every frigging time you go out together.

ItsADinosaur · 14/05/2015 13:05

as other people have said we are not yet living together, married or with children so our finances are totally separate, my money is mine, his is his

No you're not, and my finances were separate until I was married. Now we have a joint account which we pay an amount proportionate to our earnings into (as I'm part time), the rest we keep in our own accounts.

The point is, this needs to be sorted out before you get married and especially before you have DC. I'm not saying your DP is like this, but there is such a thing as financial abuse where the DH controls the money and the woman is left shelling out money she doesn't have and ends up broke and unable to leave. It happens, there are numerous threads about it. Again I'm not saying you'll be in this situation, but get things discussed before you settle down. You cannot and should not be paying half for things when you have children if you are part time or on maternity leave as money will be become family money. So make your DP wise to this beforehand else you'll end up in a mess. Don't make yourself vulnerable. I hope the talk goes well.

LomaLinda77 · 14/05/2015 13:09

I gave up on him when I got to the bit about the loo roll.

Even when we were skint a few years back, it never occurred to me to keep tabs on how fast visitors were using the loo roll. Perhaps I should have. "Do you have your period? Then I'll have to ask you for an extra 10p, I'm sure you understand."

ChasedByBees · 14/05/2015 13:10

This is a really big deal and you do need to have a serious and very sensible money focussed chat with him. He's spent two years testing you and keeping you at arms length - clearly not raising you to the level of good friend or family.

As an aside, a lot of the language you use is quite gender stereotyped - princess, gold-digger, spoilt, referring to how women like a clean house. I would also have a look at yourself and think how many of your own perceptions are based around gender and if you have expectations of roles I a realtionship. It may not actually have much to do with this issue, but on the other hand, perhaps it's not helping and could be getting in the way of dealing with this problem if you perceive it as 'not ladylike'? I may be way out with this, but it's just something to consider.

Thenapoleonofcrime · 14/05/2015 13:17

Ok, I've just read the OP and seen you can only afford to go out about twice a month. So, this guy earns tonnes, has bought a £30,000 boat, given money to his nephews, but will only go out of the house with you once every two weeks, and only if you pay exactly half or take it in exact turns. No holidays in two years, no mini-breaks, no nothing, because you can't pay. Most recent visit to the cinema, after two years together (so not rookie early on mistake), only pays for his own ticket.

The rest of the time, you go to his most of the week, take food, cook and clean and look after his dogs.

Dead right this is not romance, it's drudgery.

Jackiebrambles · 14/05/2015 13:18

Yes, the majority of the time when I go to his I bring us dinner but I would have to eat anyway and I think it’s rude to keep turning up on someone’s doorstep and expect to be fed?

You see, this is what I find odd. You are in a relationship with him, you aren't 'friends' popping over to visit who bring a dish to help out the hostess. Why do you need to bring food?! And why is going over without food 'rude' when he's your PARTNER?

Surely he'll need to eat if you don't come over so why can't he just cook for you?!

There just seems to be fundamental 'non-relationship' behaviour going on here. It's strange.

findingmyfeet12 · 14/05/2015 13:19

I'm surprised that this behaviour hasn't put you off him already.

We are not wealthy at all and my dh makes savings where he can but is generous to a fault when it comes to me. I'm not saying I should have special treatment but it does make me appreciate him all the more.

Lweji · 14/05/2015 13:22

Re-reading the OP he sounds lovely apart from the money thing.

How do you reconcile the two, OP?

Does everything else feel genuine? Can he keep it up for long periods?

ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 14/05/2015 13:24

having read the OP i have a headache. i will try to read this thread but honestly i could not live with someone like this.
i need to lie down

avantbard · 14/05/2015 13:35

Blimey, rather a lot of women in this thread who don't work objecting to the idea of bills and spending being split down the middle.

Wonder why?

Blazing88 · 14/05/2015 13:38

Oh god, ditch him now!

He won't change. Buys his own cinema ticket...wtf??!

Heels99 · 14/05/2015 13:40

Sounds exhausting.
If you were married, would all assets and income be pooled? Or would you still live on your earnings and he in his?
What if you had children? Would you live in SMP because his money is his?
Read the threads by women in financially abusive relationships, I fear you are headed that way.

Lweji · 14/05/2015 13:42

Women who don't work? WTF?
In the relationships I have had, I have been the main earner, as others too.
I didn't penny pinch and, instead, alternated paying for stuff. If anything there was more each person trying to pay rather than asking for money.

Touchy?

Phoenix0x0 · 14/05/2015 13:44

avant

What!

Ermmm the 'us' are objecting to everything being a 50:50 split, but the OP then buying food for them both 3/4 days per week, whereas he only pays once.

The 'us' are also incredulous that he has bought up how much toilet paper is being used....who does that.

StickyProblem · 14/05/2015 13:45

You are a spender, he's a saver. The odd time he does spend, it's not on anything you are involved in.
You are tidy, he's messy.
You will always (you think) earn less than him.
You will always use more loo roll than him.
I agree with posters who've said if he really wanted to count every penny for "fairness" the food you bring over would be counted in.
You are working SO hard at this relationship while he just drifts around, accepting what you bring, and not bringing much himself.

findingmyfeet12 · 14/05/2015 13:48

Ive just relayed this to my dh and his first instinct was "he's using her".

CotswoldQueen · 14/05/2015 13:49

He doesn’t ASK me to bring food around, I just do. There has been a couple of instances where, if I have stayed at his a couple of nights and he has provided dinner for those 2 nights, he has said ‘Are you happy to get dinner tonight.’

Is that unreasonable of him? This has happened a few times, but I genuinely haven’t been trying to take the P on these occasions, more so that he makes a whacking great curry or spag bol or similar and we just end up eating it over a couple of days.

Trouble is, there is no right or wrong here really is there. What works for one couple wouldn’t work for another etc. I am honestly not lying when I say he is really absolutely lovely in every other way, it is just this money thing. I am not trying to trivialise it as obviously I am realising that it counts for a lot but he is in general very lovely and supportive of me and I’m not sure I want to throw all that away before sitting down for an hour or so at a quiet time and really talking everything through.

OP posts:
Stinkersmum · 14/05/2015 13:50

Christ almighty. I think my DH is a bit of a twat sometimes. Reading this makes me realise how lucky I am.

confusedoflondon · 14/05/2015 13:51

"Are you happy to get dinner tonight"??? The guy has serious hang ups about providing for you (God forbid). You need to get to the bottom of it.

Heels99 · 14/05/2015 13:51

Well yes, talk it through and see what he says. Will be interesting.

tribpot · 14/05/2015 13:52

Another main earner here who objects absolutely to this man's attitude.

Lweji · 14/05/2015 13:55

What do you think will happen if you put your foot down and say, no I won't get dinner tonight, I have brought in too much food already.
What if you walk out when he pays for one film ticket?
Or tell him that you are paying one bill and he can pay the next?