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Need advice re: marital rape

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Emz8914 · 31/03/2015 14:33

Me and my husband have been together 4 and a half years, we have a 7 month old son.
Over two and half years, whilst TTC out son, he raped me on a number occasions, he had a habitual drink problem and would come home waking me up to start an argument/just to shout at and lecture me about why I am a terrible person, and then sometimes he'd rape me. There was a particularly nasty night where he had almost suffocated me and dragged me from the bathroom back to the bedroom in a head lock and made me do things I didn't want to. He kept saying through out if he couldn't make me pregnant with love he'd get me pregnant through fear. This was the last time it happened, now over a year ago and I found out I was pregnant two weeks later (though thankfully ive been able to convince myself this is not when I concieved my son). I didn't think I'd ever become a mother because of fertility issues, we were on our 9th round of clomid and had already been through a miscarriage. Our wedding was also 6 weeks later after the attack. I just feel so humiliated still, the thought of cancelling the wedding and being pressured into aborting my baby, of the truth coming out or people talking about me was my worst nightmare. I'd been able to sweep all the incidents before under the carpet an just pretend they hadn't happened so I tried to do it again and carry on like normal.
After the wedding he carried on drinking heavily on our honeymoon, two nights he left me alone in our hotel to go out drinking alone, i was terrified he would do it again. The first night I locked myself in the bathroom and the second night he punched me in the head and threatened the hit me in the stomach (I was three months pregnant) and I'd ran down to the reception to get away from him and they asked me if I wanted to call the police. The only reason I said no was that we were due to fly back two days later, they warned me where we were my husband would be kept in police custody for three days - this meant flying home alone and coming up with an explanation for where he was and why.
I know it's pathetic of me but I just couldn't bring myself to tell anyone or to get help. I just wanted to concentrate on my baby who i wanted for so long. When we got back it was as if he had a wake up call and he stopped drinking. We moved much closer to my family - I said it was because of the baby but really I did this so that I could run to them if I ever felt in danger again. I was very down about it for months and would cry driving home from work. Once I started maternity leave it was like I could finally lock it up in a box and concentrate on becoming a mother. I felt close to my husband again somehow, and he was there when I gave birth to our son and he has been a completely hands on dad and dotes on our boy.
I would say he was around 4 months old when I started having nightmares and flash backs. There are just so many negative thoughts and questions running riot in my head - like he insists each time he raped me he cannot remember what he did as he was soooo drunk. Surely if he was so pissed he blacked out he would have been incapable of keeping me up and doing what he did for over six hours after he stopped drinking and come home? He's aware of how I feel, keeps telling me I'm depressed and blaming my contraceptive pill, every day he tries to carry on as normal as if I might snap out of it, every night he tells me he's still the same man I fell in love with. He's tried getting me to tell him how I feel, but how can i!!! he is the very last person I want to talk to about it! He turns it into being all about him and makes it seem as if it was only "one mistake" as if all the other "mistakes" leading up to it never happened or not as bad as I make out? I know I want him to leave but haven't got a back bone or any guts to just make it happen. I would have, and still would tell anyone in similar circumstances to run a mile but when faced with it myself it just feel so hopeless! Most days I just want everything to end so I don't have to think about it anymore, I worry that without my son I could really hurt myself. I keep looking at forums such as this for any one with similar experiences, I keep looking at sites such as rape crisis and wondering about counselling. I've checked how I could afford to live just lb and me in a new home on my wages and income support etc. I Just can't find the strength to get him to leave or ask for help. thinking of telling my parents makes me feel sick. I've tried thinking of how I could end my marriage and lie to my family about why.
This is really hard to write down let alone talk to anyone about. If you got this far then thanks for reading.

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Jackw · 18/04/2015 00:13

This sounds really positive but, babes, after all he's done to you, he owes you maintenance. Can you manage without? Is it because you want a clean break?

hobNong · 18/04/2015 00:22

Hi Emz, sorry I'm useless at this but I've read your thread and wanted to offer my support. What you've been through is horrific. If you were my daughter I'd be so upset to think you didn't want to come to me just because of some money. It's bringing me to tears thinking of you suffering alone. I'm glad you've opened up here but I really think you should try and talk to your parents or someone close.

Darcey2105 · 18/04/2015 00:32

Wow that's great he's agreed to leave. I'd focus on that for the time being. Get him out of your house. And it's great to have your house so close to your parents. That will be such a help, and you will easily cope without him as they are right there.

Good for you posting, and getting some results. Get him out, do not ever let him back living with you, and just take everything else from there in your own time.

hobNong · 18/04/2015 00:34

I've just been thinking maybe you will find it easier to say something to your parents in a text or email? And please book another doctor's appointment. Don't put it off xxx

NameChange30 · 18/04/2015 00:35

Sorry to hear what you've gone through, but you are sounding very strong, well done.

Have you called Rape Crisis (0808 802 9999, open 12-2.30pm & 7-9.30pm) or Women's Aid (0808 2000 247, open 24h)? I'm sure they could give you some very helpful advice. Although they can't change what happened, you might be surprised by how much better you feel after talking to someone who understands and who isn't involved in any way (unlike your parents for example).

Stay strong and good luck. You can get through this.

Emz8914 · 18/04/2015 08:20

Thanks for all your messages. I slept quite well last night. Husband is up and out the house, told me he is going to his mums to ask if he can stay there (says he wants to talk to his mum in person). I'm about to get ready to go out for the day with my mum and son, not be back till late afternoon so hopefully things will have been moving by then.

Jackw, I really do want a clean break, I think a lot of his issues come from his family (his mother wasn't very maternal and was a bit neglecting, his dad and his brother also have drinking problems and have each been abusive to their partners in the past). It may be me over thinking things, all the other kids in the family seem fine, I just don't want to expose my son to their influences. I've done my sums and we'd be fine without his help. I'd know without contact my son would be curious about his dad, but thought maybe when he is old enough I could tell him the truth and he can decide if he wants his dad in his life - I'll not be upset if he does, but at least he will know what kind of person he is and won't be under the illusion his dad is a good person. i think I need to find a solicitor on this one (if I tell them what happened, will they have to keep my confidence?), I hope to have a divorce sorted quickly too.

HobNong I so want to tell my parents the truth, but its really hard. Thinking of telling them is really upsetting, i do feel like I let them down by letting things get so bad and not confiding in them at the first signs of trouble like I should of. The more time that passes this anxiety of them knowing has been getting worse and I feel more and more guilty for keeping them in the dark, and it feels harder to tell them. I'm hoping councelling will help me resolve my feelings on this and i can tell them eventually.

I do think councelling is the way forward but need to know he is gone and out of my house for good first. After that I need to go to citizens advise for help with income support and tax credits etc (I've never claimed before so don't know how to go about sorting it, I've looked into roughly what I can expect but know if I go to
CAB they can help me get a clearer picture and tell me exactly what to do). I'm sure husband will probably leave some of his stuff, he has a lot, so I'll need a man with a van to take whatever he leaves (then he can't come back for more stuff). After that I need to tell the landlord, find a solicitor and ring rape crisis or WA and sort out councelling.

I have been thinking about telling 1 of my close friends. unfortunately she experienced sexual abuse at a young age and later on DV, but she's come out the other side a really strong person. I think if i tell her she could really help me sort out what to do and I think it'd be good that I can at least be around someone who knows the truth and I won't have to pretend anymore.

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dollius · 18/04/2015 08:41

OP, you have been through a horrific trauma and you have had to put your own healing on ice because of becoming a mother and having to put the needs of your baby first.

You must be kind to yourself now. You do need counselling to deal with this trauma. Living in fear means living in a heightened state of alarm, which will have taken a toll on your emotional health over such a prolonged period.

I think you sound immensely brave and I hope you do tell your parents when you are ready. I couldn't bear to think of a child of mine going through such a horrendous ordeal alone and I would want only to help them through it and to protect them.

I really wish you the best.

Anniegetyourgun · 18/04/2015 08:48

I don't know your parents, but I think what would hurt them most is feeling that you don't trust them enough to open up to them. It is actually perfectly understandable that you couldn't when the assaults were happening - you'd have been in shock and panic, at this point some people tell but a great many more clam up. As you've explained it you couldn't even admit to yourself it was happening, let alone any third party, even your lovely parents. Now you've had a few months' perspective you're able to think about it more objectively, hence your posting here. Don't let not telling them before be a reason not to tell them now. Hopefully they'll understand that you just couldn't.

Joysmum · 18/04/2015 08:56

I really feel for you and felt I needed to comment.

I was raped by a previous partner. I didn't tell anyone and didn't tell my parents because they were going through their own stuff. Equally, I didn't want to face up to the fact is been raped, admitting it made it real for me so I tried to get by.

25 years on and I fell apart. I told my parents (now divorced), my DH knew years before that but we didn't discuss it as he didn't want to open old wounds, didn't realise I'd told because I needed to talk.

As a mother myself now, I'd be absolutely devastated if my daughter didn't feel able to share anything with me, even if it were for the best of intentions as I had. I can only imagine how dreadful my own parents must be feeling since I told them, somehow blaming themselves?

Please, I'd urge you to try to tell your parents. I'd also urge you to ho to the doctor. I was assessed as 'moderate risk' even all these years later but the NHS is busy and I've been waiting 8 months for the help they said I'll need. Sad

Joysmum · 18/04/2015 08:57

...I totally understand why you don't want to though. I just want things to be better for you than they were for me.

Take care Flowers

NameChange30 · 18/04/2015 09:55

This sounds like a good plan OP, the only thing I would say is maybe you could call Rape Crisis and/or Women's Aid sooner. They don't just offer counselling, for example WA could put you in touch with a solicitor who has experience in dealing with cases like this. I believe they have to treat anything you tell them confidentially but you could check with them.
Tell your parents when you're ready, which might not be just yet, but in the meantime please do talk to someone whether it's your friend or someone on a helpline.

inlectorecumbit · 18/04/2015 10:06

If you find it difficult to tell your parents would you consider giving them your opening post to read and go from there ??
Flowers

blizzardcat · 18/04/2015 13:57

Telling your parents the detail may not necessarily be helpful to you. Talking about it is important, but I think you need to choose the people you tell very carefully as once it is said it can't be taken back. You need to decide whether you want them to know.

My parents know my ex is awful, but I don't ever want them to know the details. They wouldn't understand. They do know he did some unforgivable things.

Good luck xx

Emz8914 · 18/04/2015 21:32

He is gone. He moved most of his stuff when I was out, but then asked for a lift with the final few bags - I agreed just to get him out the house quicker, his step dad was supposed to pick him up after he dropped off the car, I thought he must be busy but when we got to his mums the step dads car was there so think he was trying to guilt me one last time (?). On the way he asked if later we might be able to date again one day (wtf!!!) Baby was asleep in his car seat and I had a bit of a cry when I got us home - it seemed absolutely ridiculous to cry and panic over him being gone, and being alone (when it's what is rather be), couldn't understand why I had a mini melt down when upto then Ive felt so calm about it.

I then told my mum that he gone. Explained about the drinking and blamed that (it's not entirely untrue). She asked if he hit me and I said once on honeymoon (which is true) I didn't mention the rapes at all I left it at that. She was completely supportive and gave me a big cuddle. Then my dad got home and he isn't as understanding - when he asked if he's been hitting me I just said no! I don't know why I couldn't tell him as easy as I told my mum. Shell tell him later I guess. Or not. Dad came over for a cuppa when I put my son to bed, his intentions are good but he is just struggling to understand, I guss he just wants to make sure we (my husband and I) really have given our marriage a chance (this is without knowing the truth though) and kept asking if he we were going have a few days space and talk or if there was the possibility of him coming back. I've tried to make him see that this isn't just something I decided to do on a whim, but I'm not concerned as I know my mum will talk to him tonight about everything. Understanding or not ive got both their full support.

I don't know how I feel about ever telling them the truth at all now. I will still get councelling though.

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Justusemyname · 18/04/2015 21:43

Wow. What a strong woman you are. Please tell your parents the full story. If you can't say it, write it down. They need to know. Whe you need extra support regarding access to the baby if they know the full story it gives you all the extra strength to stay strong.

Joysmum · 19/04/2015 07:45

Really glad he's gone and I wish you all the best for your future Flowers

hobNong · 19/04/2015 09:53

Hi Emz, I'm glad to hear he has gone. I hope you're getting on alright. You have not let anyone down, your husband is the one who let people down here.

Your mini melt down is completely normal. I've had those myself. I think when you are in the middle of a high stress situation your body is sort of on autopilot just dealing with it and keeping you ticking over. As soon as you get a break from the situation it's like what happened suddenly hits you. I think it's just a way for your body/mind to process things. I think it's good to have a good cry and release some of the stress.

Your mum and dad sound lovely and it sounds like your dad is just looking out for you. Counselling sounds like a great idea too xx

Emz8914 · 27/04/2015 22:09

Been trying to ring women's aid over the past few days - kept getting through to an answer machine, left my number and safe times etc eventually got through to them today - to be referred to another local women's charity. Can't say am not disappointed, Ive already heard of the charity and didn't want to approach them - a friend had a bad experience with them before my husbands issues cropped up. I asked if they didn't have anything else in my area but nope, that is it...
So trying rape crisis instead but finding it really difficult to make the time to ring when they're lines are open (teething baby, work and then never being on my own).
If I go to the GP will they not just refer me to the local women's charity, or do they have to give me an NHS counsellor?

It's been a weird week. H keeps ringing and texting - normal stuff like how is baby, did i leave this, when can you bring baby to see me, etc but twice he has started crying on the phone and he drops in a "I still love you" or "maybe we can go out just the two of us in a few weeks" here and there. Its weird. He's either delusional or trying to manipulate me, making me feel guilty. I am seething inside when he does that but still having to bite my tongue to stop myself apologising! None of this is my fault! Why am I still trying to make things better for him!!! Starting to get really annoyed with myself now, even when he's not living here I can't tell him where to go!

I left our son with him for a few hours on Saturday (I'm struggling to decide if contact is right for him or not) and I felt as if I'd left him with one of my arms - was really upset about it. I don't know if that's just normal, I didn't get upset if I had to leave my baby with him before we broke up, even though we have all the same issues...

...Just wanted to vent a bit

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blizzardcat · 27/04/2015 22:31

I think it is normal to feel bereft when starting to leave your dc with the ex. It was for me anyway. Still is hard, 2 years on, but easier than it was. Sounds like you are doing the right thing, working out how best to continue with contact for ds.

Could you cut/minimise contact with your ex? I found this really helped me. Avoided his manipulation, gave me headspace to get myself together. You don't need to talk to him, he can get support elsewhere and so can you.

Why not try the gp? They might put you on a list for counselling, they won't refer you to any charity you don't want to deal with, and might have other ideas for support, health visitor etc.

Hope you are ok. Such a cliché, but time does make it better, and the path forward becomes clearer x

Darcey2105 · 27/04/2015 22:40

Oh dear, sorry to hear things are difficult at the moment.

I'm not sure who your GP will recommend, but it's worth starting the process, I'm sure they'll have an option of at least 2 counsellors.

That' good your Ex is making you angry - as I was reading it, i thought you were going to say you'd forgiven him or something.

I'm leaving my H and i'm feeling sorry for him in advance which is a totally wasted emotion!

Good luck, it will be a long journey but you've made a good start

Emz8914 · 20/08/2015 22:24

I really wanted to come back here and leave an update. You were all so supportive when I finally plucked up the courage to put out there what had been happening. Before I wrote my original post I spent a lot of time searching for posts from anyone who might have been through something similar, so I feel it's really important to leave an update not just to show those of you who posted replies to me, but for anyone who is unfortunate enough to find themselves in a similar situation so they can see there really is a light at the end of the tunnel and it is possible to come out of the other side.

So since my last post I did go back to my GP. I only told her I was raped and she helped me make a self referral for counselling. I had to wait a few weeks for an assessment - I was more truthful that time, told the counsellor it was H and that it happened numberous times. I was told that the waiting list for counselling was six months long. She also spoke with her supervisor about whether or not to make a referral to social services but they decided against it as there was no immediate safe guarding issue (I mentioned this in another post but just want to put the full picture in one place). I moved back in with my parents but hadn't told them still.

After more helpful replies to my other post about moving on, I went back to the GP. She wrote the counselling service to see if I could be bumped up the list - and it worked! We discussed anti depressants and at the time decided against it - I wasn't so sure about it as me and my son co sleep and he still wakes at night, so I was concerned about taking medication. I felt awful though. DS was still seeing H every Sunday and I felt terrible everytime I had to leave him there. The intrusive thoughts were getting worse and I was crying all the time. I thought I would be better off dead. I felt like a crap mother because I was always upset even around my baby, and he needs a happy healthy mum not one who can barely function. One weekend H cancelled his day for having DS, and the relief just washed over me - id been up my the night before crying my eyes out at the thought of leaving DS with H. then as the next weekend approached I could feel myself getting more and more upset again. I called the HV, and told her everything. She came straight round. She spoke with her safe guarding advisors and they told her she had to make a referral to social services and tell me not to hand my DS over to H. And they wanted me to talk to the police - HV said it wouldn't look good on me if I didn't, but I didn't have to press charges just tell them what happened. She rang them and a female officer came to my house that afternoon to talk with me. It was awkward and uncomfortable going through the details, but not as much as I thought it would be. The officer was absolutely lovely.

By that point I'd text H telling him I'd told HV everything and I wasn't allowed to hand DS to him and was waiting for social services to contact me. I hadn't expected it, but the texts from him just started pouring in, basically pleading that this would affect him seeing his other kids as well as DS, he wasn't in control of what he was doing because he was drunk, then he feels like a monster so might as well be treated like one. Not once did he try to say he hadn't done anything, much of what he sent together is an admission that he did something he knows is horrible and wrong and illegal. So the police took my phone and the details of the messages have been taken to use as evidence.

With everything that was going on I finally told my parents. I tried to write them a letter which was really painful to be honest, I'm sort of glad they never got that to read. In the end they knew something was wrong and something was going on, and they pushed me until it all just came out and I told them. They know I was sexually abused, I haven't said to them it was rape. But its made a massive difference that they know it was an abusive relationship. They don't want H anywhere near me and DS. They've been brilliant.

Social services have been crap if I'm honest. Someone eventually rang me nearly a week after HV made the referral, asked if I was happy to not allow DS to see H, I said yes, then they said they were happy DS wasn't seeing H and there was a police investigation of which they will be informed of the outcome, so they weren't going to open a case. This is fine by me, the phone call lasted less than 2 minutes. It was only afterwards I started to think they hadn't contacted Hs ex, my step daughters mum to let her know what's happened. Now if the shoe was on the other foot and I'd been sending DS to see his dad and all the while there is a police investigation on him for rape, I'd want to know. So I asked my HV about and she chased it up. She had to put in another referral. I still haven't heard from my "new social worker", who was supposed to contact me three weeks ago, so doubt they've contacted her. I haven't got her number and am contemplating joining Facebook just to find her to tell her.

I decided I wanted to press charges. The DC on my case is really good, I really worried about being believed but I needn't have. Everyone I've had to speak with from the police have been so knowledgeable on DV and that's really helped. They've taken a video statement from me, during which I mentioned I did tell one friend years ago when it first happened. We'd all been drinking and H got removed by the police for fighting with my friends partner. I told my friend about the rape but the next day I played it down and asked him to forget I said anything, and he did. The police took a statement from him and his version of events matched mine - I thought he might have forgotten but he hadn't, he just believed me when I said I'd over exaggerated and had thought if something had happened, then nothing like that must have ever happened again because we got married. With his statement and the text messages, I'm hoping it will go to court. The DC said he couldn't promise me anything, but said H did himself no favours when they took him in for questioning - he was still trying to insist on all those occasions he was so drunk he doesn't know what he did, he even acted "horrified" at some of the things they asked him about. He used to act the same when I confronted him the next day after one of his attacks. The DC saw right through him. It's a long wait to see if CPS will take it to court, but I should know by the end of September. If he's found guilty I've been told he's looking at between 5 and 10 years prison sentence.

I was really worried that if it doesn't go to court, or it does and he's found not guilty, he'd stand a better chance of getting access to DS by painting me to be a vindictive liar. But the lady at the women's charity helped me with that. Now I understand that even if that was the case, the criminal court and the civil court work differently. In the criminal court there isn't allowed to be any doubt to find a person guilty. In the civil court if they only believe me 51% I've won. She's had loads of experience with the courts and offered to come with me, and says she'll help me if he does take me to court over access. And I don't even think he would.

I'm on anti depressants now. The HV insisted I go back and talk to the doctor again. They're not making me too drowsy, im still waking up for DS. Had head aches with them for a few weeks and saw no difference in my mood, but now I feel a difference. My counselling got brought forward and I've had a few sessions, so it might be just that or a mixture of the two plus getting it all resolved. I haven't felt tearful or cried for a few weeks now. The intrusive thoughts have really calmed down, and my counsellor helped me to understand why they started happening when they did, and made me realise I wasn't going crazy like I thought. I've recently started going to a peer support group run by the women's charity too. I'm finding the more I can make sense out of what happened and how I dealt with it at the time, the easier I'm finding it to let it go and move on.

I'm sleeping and eating better, and I'm having more good days at last. I'm really enjoying spending time with my son now. It's amazing the change in how I feel, compared to how I was just a few months ago. I was scared I might never feel normal again and couldn't see myself feeling better again, I hope anyone who is looking for a similar case wondering the same things I was might find this so they can see it can get better. Thanks for reading if you got this far x

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Smilingforth · 20/08/2015 22:43

Wow. In so proud of you. Well done.

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tribpot · 20/08/2015 23:13

You've been so brave. Well done you.

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