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DH isn't abusive or unkind but I feel overpowered and confused by him. Help!

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adifferentnameforme · 19/01/2015 08:58

I am feeling really confused about my marriage, and I really want to get an outside perspective on how I can fix things (or not). I need an outsider's perspective. I don't have any close family (only child, only my mum left and she is not someone to discuss problems with) or close friends sadly. He is so subtle that I can't decide whether any of the things he does are deliberate or if they even exist but I feel all the time like I am going a bit crazy.

Backstory: I met my DH when I was 22 and he was 33. At that age, I was extremely immature, unconfident and insecure and only just really learning who I was. We were married 2 years later, and now we've been married for 15 years (I'm 40 now). We have two children aged 10 and 4. He's an amazing man, extremely intelligent, not from the UK, lived in many countries, speaks several languages fluently and several others well. He's a flamboyant and enthusiastic cook and makes friends with all kinds of people effortlessly. He was so different to anyone I'd ever met before and I adored him. We started out as friends but quickly fell in love and within weeks he said he was going to marry me.

I still love him very much and really don't want to hurt him. He's a great father (apart from one thing I write about below) and the children adore him.

And yet I feel like I want to get away from him because he kind of sucks all the life out of me. Currently I've been able to be a SAHM for a while I am very grateful for, but I'm now wanting to go back to work because I need some independence and interaction with other people.

The key issues:

  • We haven't had sex for 4 years. Yes, YEARS. Basically the last time was when DS was conceived. The same happened after DD was born. We didn't have sex for years until it was convenient to have a second child. This makes me feel desperately unhappy to be honest. I've tried to talk to him about it but he says he just doesn't feel like it because he's overweight. He says he still thinks I'm attractive but he has no sex drive. That's the end of the discussion. We're basically roommates at this point and he's fine with that.
  • He controls all our finances, even when I was the breadwinner for the family. When we moved to this country, he knew the country and the language and I was overwhelmed with my first baby, so I just left him to it. Until recently, my name wasn't even on our bank account. We now have a joint account but I don't have my own credit card, he controls that.
  • He talks to me as though I am stupid. Very subtly and it's made out to all be jokes. But it undermines my confidence and I find myself becoming this dizzy chaotic silly person that he treats me like, even though I have a PhD and as I said kept the family afloat while he retrained. Because we live abroad, my career basically died and I haven't been able to find a job that I love, but I have slogged away and earned good money anyway.
  • (This is a biggie for me): He talks to DD the same way. This slightly teasing, jokey but insidious "you are so stupid" tone. I really can't describe it better than that. He thinks that DS is "intellectual" (he's 4!) and DD isn't. I really dislike the way he speaks to her more and more. He is getting much worse as she gets older. He is a teacher and always talking about how ditsy the girls he teaches are and how DD is just like them. And he always seems to be picking on her, just finding something wrong to comment on.
  • When I try to discuss anything with him, I always end up feeling confused and wrong. I can't explain it, but somehow it all turns around to where his point of view is the right one and I somehow had it all a bit wrong. I try so hard to stand up for myself and be assertive but I get myself all turned around and dizzy almost every time. I end up feeling guilty for even thinking whatever point I wanted to make. If he does concede he makes a big deal about how he is doing what I want.
  • He's totally self-absorbed. He has an office in our apartment where he spends at least 80% of the time he is at home. Sometimes he is working, but equally often he's playing computer games or streaming TV shows. He's totally disinterested in buying anything for the children or taking photographs or improving our living situation. I had to fight for YEARS to buy DD her own bed. The only pictures I have of myself when I was pregnant last time are selfies.
  • He has continuously refused to talk to me in the language of the country we live in. I have learned the language, even though I make a lot of grammatical mistakes, and have tried talking to him in the language. He always answers me in English, even when I ask him not to. This seems like a small thing, but I don't know if this is another way of subtly making me feel stupid.
  • He used to be funny and misanthropic in an amusing way, but he is becoming more and more simply nasty. He is pretty homophobic and is always so rude about women on TV. And in front of the DCs. He swears all the time in front of them and to them as well (e.g. what the fuck are you doing? or what is this fucking shite you're watching?) This sounds AWFUL when I see it written down.

This is so long, I'm trying to get it straight in my head. Is any of this so bad? I don't know if I'm even describing any of this in a way that makes sense. This is the problem - it doesn't make sense. I can't get a grip on what is wrong or why I am feeling this way. Can anyone help me at all?

OP posts:
Rockover · 24/01/2015 09:44

My understanding is that Child Benefit gets paid to the resident parent. So he cannot receive that payment if the children are living with you elsewhere, or if he moves out. I would recommend phoning the Child Benefit office and asking what you can do/need to do.

Have you got a bank account in your name? If not, get one ASAP.

I think, but you need a legal person to confirm this, that you can take half the money from the joint account. You need legal advice for this and for other things... take a deep breath and do it. Legal advice is expensive, but
vital. Some solicitors offer a free hour initial consultation. Take all your paperwork, write down all your questions and cram as much in to that hour as you can!

Do you rent or own property? You are married, so half of that is yours...

(Victims of domestic abuse can receive free legal advice via Legal Aid, but the list of acceptable evidence of abuse looks geared more toward domestic violence, IMO - police, evidence of injury, etc). But it's a thought...

What seems overwhelming becomes more manageable with each step you take to secure a different life for you and your children. There are (lots of) moments of paralysis and fear, but frankly, hasn't that been the norm? And those moments are interspersed with moments of hope, rediscovery, tastes of freedom and independence.

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Rockover · 24/01/2015 09:51

It's funny, OP, I met my ex when I was very depressed, suicidally so. He was wonderful through those times. He was also lovely in those times I was floundering, unsure of something, having a hard time, etc. Great! BUT... he doesn't recognise my achievements, or share my excitements. See a pattern emerging? The frailty/weakness they enjoy, because they are the strong one, in control. I think, in a healthy relationship, a partner will support their OH through hard times - but they will enjoy her strengths and successes, too.

Rockover · 24/01/2015 09:51

NOT put her down...

adifferentnameforme · 24/01/2015 13:05

Thanks Rockover, I read your post about leaving earlier today and it gave me hope that it is possible.

I think you may be spot on, DH prefers the needy depressed version of me to the strong, definite version. He doesn't like "bitchy" (his word) women. He likes feeling like the Big Man caring for his woman Hmm

He is on his best behaviour today, playing with the children and cleaning the kitchen Shock I guess he must have sensed that something is up. I gave him a piece of my mind earlier about the way he talks to DD. And I will every time he does it. I do think it's unconscious, and I won't accept it anymore.

OP posts:
HansieLove · 24/01/2015 15:20

Have you said you want your money back? He had no right to put it in his account!

adifferentnameforme · 24/01/2015 18:37

No Sad not yet. I know I am a wuss. I spoke to him again this evening about the way he speaks to the children, especially DD. I was shaking and he looked furious but acknowledged my point. He is back on the computer (sulking?). Good, he can stay there. I doubt anything will change but at least he knows I won't stand for it.

OP posts:
MumsyFoxy · 24/01/2015 18:43

Not read the whole thread so apologies if it has been said before.
He is gay; has used you as a baby vessel/egg donor. Have you thought of this possibility? It makes sense.

HansieLove · 24/01/2015 19:01

Is there enough in the joint account for you to take out your retirement money, not sure what it was called?

I think he is gay too, just covering for himself.

Really, you are better than this!

JapaneseMargaret · 25/01/2015 01:42

Several of us suspect he might be gay (and not just because of the no sex thing). But I don't think any of can say he definitely is.

Anyway, it's his treatment of name and her DC that is the issue here.

Lots of us reading and rooting for you. Flowers

quietlysuggests · 25/01/2015 03:14

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ashaaima · 25/01/2015 03:24

hi.im only in a few year relationship and we have a 1year old daughter.before she was born we never arguid,but after birth it started.and now the further we go the worst it gets.he spends all night downstairs watching tv or whatever .i get paranoid thinking what is he doing ,why isnt he coming to bed.i used to tell him to go to bed, but now i just dont say anything, because it will end up in an arguiment and the uncomfertable feeling.we hardly make love at all.hes just a completely diferent person.
i dont have any family or friends.its not easy for me to make any too.i hate that he has .

ashaaima · 25/01/2015 03:35

well if hes home on time after work and at home till work starts where can he have time for anyone else.
He doesnt take any time off !!!that could be something?

AgathaF · 25/01/2015 09:39

Adifferentname do you have access to the accounts in his name? Can you see statements? You should really make sure you have copies of statements if possible, and a clear chain of you receiving the money and showing it's arrival in his account.

Well done for calling him out on the way he talks to your DD.

ashaaima could you start you own thread in relationships for support and advice?

dementedma · 25/01/2015 09:58

Also delurking to offer support. And understanding!

adifferentnameforme · 25/01/2015 10:18

So this morning this happened: I was playing a game with dd. It's a game she's really good at and normally wins, but this morning I won. DH was at the computer (surprise!) in another room all morning. Yet when he heard dd lose the game (we were being loud and overacting and silly) he specifically came out of his room to gloat at dd that she had lost!!!! He was delighted! She then started to cry whereas before she'd just been acting. So he then could have a go at her for being a bad loser and denied totally that he'd even been looking at her. She is so upset and I am Shock that a 50 year old man can behave like this. I am starting to really believe that he has a problem with dd, I am not over reacting. Something is going on here.

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dementedma · 25/01/2015 10:22

If he sees Dd as your ally, he will go for her too. Happened here.

TendonQueen · 25/01/2015 10:43

So is he back on the computer now? I'd go and ask when he's coming to play and have a go himself. See how he gets on.

YonicScrewdriver · 25/01/2015 10:53

What a twat he is.

Miggsie · 25/01/2015 11:06

Anyone who gloats over a child losing a game has huge issues - and if a child at school did this you'd be straight down there calling them a bully.

DD is suffering emotional abuse from your husband and you must take steps to protect her - you might find it easier to mobilise to protect your DD than to protect yourself, but of course, if you move out to save her, you will, by extension, save yourself..

chimichanga1976 · 25/01/2015 11:53

He's gone out of his way to pick on his own daughter and upset her on purpose. He knew full well what he was doing!! I am bloody outraged at the incident, so I can only imagine what you, as her mother must be feeling!! Jesus Christ.....totally uncalled for.

I despise your husband and that's only going on the limited info that you are providing!Angry

I presume you jumped to her defence and gave him a piece of your mind? How did he respond?

Immature and downright spiteful. What an utter tosserShock

HansieLove · 25/01/2015 15:54

That was awful. Did you ask him what the hell he was doing?

however · 26/01/2015 04:41

Perhaps he's diminishing his daughter so he can control her, too.

scarletforya · 26/01/2015 05:46

I also thought gay on reading your post. Although he's abusive as well.

AgathaF · 26/01/2015 06:42

What a nasty piece of work he is. What did you say to him about it?

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