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MIL/DIL relationships - I despair at the norm.

146 replies

MoRaw · 22/12/2014 09:06

I’ve only recently starting becoming more engaged with Mumsnet. Over time, what one of the things that have often piqued by curiosity is the mother-in-law/daughter-in-law relationship. Undoubtedly there are a lot of dysfunctional families out there and mothers who really should be kept at a distance. Consider that I am not talking about these types as they clearly cannot be the norm.

I am struck by what seems to be a norm – DIL feeling undermined by MIL and wanting DH to “go up against” his mother. Some of the things that lead people to feel undermined might be considered by many as minor and unimportant in the grand scheme of things. I appreciate what is minor/major to one person could be the opposite for another.

I am suspicious of any man who would treat his mother rudely or badly. I would never want to back my husband in a corner where he felt he had to choose between me and his mother (unless she was of those people who are dysfunctional or it was something major). I believe that if a man has a reasonably good relationship with his mother, getting him to take sides will cause him some distress and even though he may seem supportive on the outside, he might be struggling. Blood is thicker than water. Marriage is hard work as it is and throwing this sort of thing in the mix might be lead to problems brewing underneath the surface. The bond between mother and child can be incredibly strong. I think a man who battles with his mother for minor things because his wife expects him to/encourages him to do so is not a man I would trust (that’s me personally). I just feel that if a man can do this to his mother (a bond so strong), he can easily tread on the wife.

I know my parents care for me and for my husband. They would never willingly or maliciously seek to cause me harm. My husband mother is the same. I would not cause any tension between me and my parents on account of my husband’s expectations on how they should be or what they should be doing. I will not allow my husband to come between me and my parents and I would not come between my husband and his mother. If there is a problem that is really something worth sweating about, then I will speak to them otherwise, there are some things that as human beings we should live and let live.

Anyone else despairs at the negative MIL/DIL dynamics that appear to be the norm these days? Is this what our daughters and sons have to look forward to in the future?

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slithytove · 22/12/2014 18:19

So why did op get banned then? For being sweetness and light?

And yes, of course it was a pa - that's what I was demonstrating.

slithytove · 22/12/2014 18:20

And it certainly was bullying for op to pick out one poster out of the many who replied, and name her at least ten times across several posts. But you go back to fantasy land, why not.

flippinada · 22/12/2014 18:22

If you think there are any bullying comments Gus please report them to MN.

Joysmum · 22/12/2014 18:31

This forum is for those who have issues they need help with as they've tried the usual and it's not worked. So taking this forum as the norm isn't very bright.

You can't reason with the unreasonable so after trying reason, you can only assume you've identified an unreasonable person.

I think you could do with a lesson in empathy and understanding for those who do have problems, even if you've been lucky enough not to.

Goneforgood · 22/12/2014 18:33

Suspended because of mob mentality and complaints about me "inflaming" others.

If it makes some of you happy then Smile. I am not a frequent MNetter so it's no big deal. I am more bemused that for MN it is one rule for some and another rule for others. What matters most for a suspension is if some people complain?

It will be a few decades before I have to worry about being a MIL.

Meerka · 22/12/2014 18:38

Waaaaah please can we have a bit of a glass of wine or juice and some christmas spirits? (of whatever variety, I like whiskey myself).

This thread has gone a bit sadly grumpy

slithytove · 22/12/2014 18:47

Imfeelingprettygrumpycansomeonecheermeupxx

I hope dawn comes back

Meerka · 22/12/2014 18:58

goneforgood, should perhaps explain ... dawntigga is generally a lovely, gentle, sweetnatured and witty poster.

Sometimes posts hit a sore spot, specially when someone's tried their best and been kicked like a football in the past.

flippinada · 22/12/2014 19:06

Sorry to go a little OT. I don't 'know' Dawn apart from on here but from her posts but she's always struck me as a good sort. I won't pass comment on the OP.

Windywenceslas · 22/12/2014 19:14

Bloody hell, this has all gone a bit wrong hasn't it.

OP, if your account has been suspended and you've had to set up a new one in order to post here, I'd suggest accusing MN of mob mentality is unwise. Your OP touched a nerve with some people, rightly so, you need to accept that and get over it.

On a more festive note, I wonder how Mary got on with Joseph's mother Xmas Grin

HamPortCourt · 22/12/2014 19:25

Windy Marys Mil spread all kinds of vicious rumours about Joseph not being the Dad!!

She wasn't happy about not being invited to the stable for the birth and reckoned the Three Wise Men deliberately upstaged her with their fancy gifts.

Windywenceslas · 22/12/2014 19:29

HamPortCourt - Xmas Smile

KnittingChristmasJumpers · 22/12/2014 19:33

Well my MIL can be difficult at times but it's my DM who is really the difficult one. Thankfully DP and I have been good at putting firm boundaries in place that have limited the fallout. I think if we hadn't followed MN advice and been a bit strict at first it would have developed to the point of no return as DM is definitely the type who, if given an inch, will take a mile.
Thanks to the "fighty" MNetters I still have a decent relationship with DM who has now realised that I am an adult who can make my own decisions!

Meerka · 22/12/2014 19:40
Windywenceslas · 22/12/2014 19:48

I don't know Meerka, maybe Joseph's mother was onto something. I mean, the Archangel Gabriel went and told some shepherds about the birth, but he didn't go and inform the in-laws did he? It wouldn't have been much for him to go and tell Joseph's mum whilst he was out and about. I reckon Mary knew she'd get better presents from the three wise men, so decided to have them visit instead of the in-laws.

Meerka · 22/12/2014 20:07

maybe the Archangel weighed up the MIL and knew he wouldn't get anywhere ...

lomega · 22/12/2014 22:03

I don't think it is the 'norm' as such, OP, you're going to get a skewed version of events on MN because people rarely post about how well they get on with their in-laws as a topic of conversation. Perhaps someone should create an 'I love my ILs' thread to counterbalance? Grin

I have a son and I do worry sometimes that I won't ever be able to do anything right and will piss off my DIL (or SIL?) when he gets married. I don't even want my boy to feel uncomfortable around me or like he can't bring his partners home because of an 'atmosphere'.

I think I will take tips off of my ex's mother. I still talk to her now as my friend, even though me and her son are loooong finished. She was the perfect MIL material - made me feel welcomed, loved and part of the family from the get-go, included me in events (including holidays and meals out), supported me through tough times in my life, and generally let me and her son 'get on with it' and have our relationship without meddling. Sure sometimes she'd overstep a boundary but we were upfront and honest with each other, because I knew that telling her 'that's too much' wouldn't result in her bearing a grudge for days after or throwing a manipulative strop. All of this was alongside, and complimentary, to the relationship between my ex and I - infact in the end I only really stayed with him to keep my friendship with his mum intact (obviously not healthy so I ended it and then a few years after when all was healed, got back in touch with my friend/his mum, and we have a good natter on our own terms.)
She was/is such a cool, 'trendy' sort of person - active, fashionable, looked after herself, had her own hobbies/life - the sort of person you can have a laugh with, and we get on so well.

My current MIL is very different. I do not dislike her as she has lots of great qualities - she's generous, has raised a great man in my DH, and despite a few problems of her own tends to grit her teeth and get on with life in a determined fiery way which is admirable. She is quite clever as well. That said, I've never felt truly accepted or like I fitted in with the family. I always get the feeling she and I are just too different; our likes and dislikes are very vast, our priorities are also totally opposite.

I also get the feeling she is quite resentful of me and acts like she is jealous of the time I spend with her son; I think she thought he would still act how he did when he lived at home when we got together (staying up there with them over the entire xmas break, on his own without me, for example) when really we were trying to find our own way and needed some space to let our relationship grow. We had just moved in together and were trying to get used to the costs of living, and were working full time so didn't get much time as a couple. As we wanted to spend just one day as the two of us, MIL wrote me a mean-spirited letter saying how I was disturbing their 'family cmas plans'. It was the unwillingness to compromise from her that got my back up - and she still tries it on a bit now, despite both me and DH asking her to back off a bit.

I do not expect my DH to 'go up against' his mother in a fight or family feud - but I do expect him to stand up for my feelings and my importance in his life, as I do for him to my own family. If there is any negativity for any reason I do not expect it to be ignored.

Sorry for the essay - just trying to see OP's point of view and answer a few of her questions from the perspective of someone who's had it both ways :)

dawntigga · 23/12/2014 10:24

Oh MoRaw, sugar, you made me laugh. I make this 'unpleasant'? I didn't even take the gloves off - still maybe this isn't the place for you if I can make it upnleasant. Xmas Grin I'm pretty sure this is my first ever Flowers

I am not part of the Dawntigga brigade.

::blushes at people coming to my defence:: there's no need guys but thank you for your lovely kind comments Xmas Grin

I have a brigade? Is there a parade? Can I carry a flag in it? Do I have my very own quiche? No cheese please I loathe cooked cheese in things. ::wanders off to the sound of a marching band::

MoRaw you singled out one poster, me. I don't particularly care, it seems I've touched others and for that I'm grateful. Thank you guys. If you single out someone expect to take flak for it. Had you singled out any of the other posters I'd have said something myself. Also, if I am an example of how MN can be unpleasent I suggest, most strongly, you stay the hell out of AIBU. I don't think you could take the posters in there.

Oh and my post, wasn't even in first gear for sarcasm or anything else, just standing up for those who are dealing with shit from the toxics in their lives. I'm glad OP you have no idea what that feels like, I wish it on no-one. Well, maybe Margaret Thatcher or Gove but, they reserve a special place in the depths of my soul for things like that. It's shit, perhaps reading and understanding what it feels like to be on the recieving end would be a better idea before posting about things you have no experience of. It's called parking your privelige.

Crikey I hope the OP's account hasn't been suspended for that, I don't feel in the least bit bullied!

PolishesNestOfVipersBadgeProudlyAcknowledgesSalutesFromMyBrigadeTiggaxx

dawntigga · 23/12/2014 10:30

Crap, that should have been a Xmas Biscuit shouldn't it.

HOW can I run my own brigade when I can't even get that right.

One of us should write an AIBU from Mary about toxic MiL's

TootTootTiggaxx

dawntigga · 23/12/2014 11:15

So, open your gob and get the job, come join the Mary MiL thread

TootTootTiggaxx

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