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Dry 6

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sydneysideup · 01/12/2014 19:33

This is the thread for the alcohol free. Happy and hopeful, continuing from Dry 5 here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/a2137624-DRY-5?msgid=50943574
Whether it's been an hour, a day, a week or a year, join us here.

OP posts:
Lucy2610 · 04/03/2015 21:52

It is lovely Flowers As sydney said though it's her stuff not yours. Must be time for coffee and cheese scones soon? Wink

gladistopped · 04/03/2015 23:50

good grief molly what is she like? Making up stuff like that to her own daughter? The mind boggles! So sorry you had to go through all that Sad

Thank you Sidney - I spent 30+ years keeping the abuse secret - even from my OH - until the Jimmy Savile stuff and that then triggered me into telling him about what happened with me - I really spiralled out of control with the drinking then and was in a really bad way. Once I could finally accept it was NOT my fault, but the abusers' fault - and forgive myself - I stopped needing to blot things out with alcohol. It took me a while, though.

Still Dry here, despite a couple of stressful days which in the past would have had me downing a couple of bottles of wine each night. Now I actually work through the issues and talk about them. Good to be able to do that, again Smile

Lucy2610 · 05/03/2015 08:09

glad once again thank you for sharing. I've that skeleton in my cupboard too Flowers
A bad day sober is still better than a good day drunk :)

gladistopped · 05/03/2015 09:25

Yes indeed Lucy everything is better dealt with sober/not hung-over. Flowers for you as well and an un Mumsnetty [hug]
I'll stop sharing, now, though as I don't want to bring other people down/trigger stuff etc Blush Sorry.

mollyonthemove · 05/03/2015 13:22

Blimey, don't be sorry - I've shared lots of things here - it's a safe space and it helps to realise that the reasons we all have had problems with drink are so manifold. I feel abused (though not in anywhere the same way Flowers ) by my mother. I had multiple unnecessary surgeries as a child and feel terribly scarred emotionally by it - knowing she could have stopped that at any time makes me very angry, and explains a lot about why I drink I think - also all the rubbish about my dad that she has said and hasn't said more the point.

I watched the tv programme about being bipolar last night and confess to getting a bit irate (I need to sort this out!) by a woman on there who said she had a wonderful childhood and couldn't understand why she was bi-polar. Sounds terribly irrational I know!

Lucy2610 · 05/03/2015 15:34

glad no please don't be sorry! Not triggery at all and doesn't bring me down either - actually the exact opposite :) Secrecy is what keeps us stuck in shame Flowers and a {hug} too

gladistopped · 05/03/2015 16:48

Ah phew ok Smile Yes secrecy is a bad thing imo.

But so hard to tell what people mean from just the printed word but I am aware other people reading this might be distressed at mention of past abuse without any warning of it being mentioned

I know I spent ages avoiding the News, BBC website and even looking at newspaper stands etc last year, because there was just no getting away from it all - it was everwhere Sad - probably had a lot to do with why I drank SO MUCH while all that was going on Sad
It also makes me think - if the coverage did that to me, who was not abused by JS - what must it have been like for those who were abused by him? Appalling Sad

LastGleaming · 06/03/2015 18:24

Hey broken here with a nc. Buffy episode Grin

Not sure what to say that doesn't sound like a total cliché as I have no inkling to imagine what some of you have been through. I think those coming to terms with such huge traumatic events in their past are incredibly brave Flowers So pleased for you being positive in the face of it all glad, well done.

Been a yuck week here but feel a bit silly mentioning it now. Ran into someone for the first time in years last weekend that I had a fucked up thing with back when my drinking was at it's heaviest. Threw me as it brought back a lot of memories of that time and things I'd done.

Strangely drinking didn't really cross my mind so much but thoughts of self-harming did like a little itch under my skin I couldn't quite shake off. Something I haven't done in a long time. I think I can see now that I've used alcohol as a self-harming tool in the past too. Changed tack and went the opposite way, pampering myself and taking it easy, re-watching umpteen episodes of Buffy in bed, gutting the house in a quest of clean house=clean mind. Basically trying not to get sucked into that self-hatred spiral that inevitably ends with me paralytic and full of regrets. Think it's worked :) Feeling slightly better anyway and joy of joys finally been sleeping well the last couple of nights.

God your mother molly. You deserve a bloody medal for sticking up with her!

gladistopped · 06/03/2015 22:47

Last So sorry you are feeling ?meh? Thumbs up to watching Buffy as a displacement activity. And yy to cleaning/de cluttering - have been doing that today :) Well done you for not drinking Smile
Am seriously tempted tonight - no reason at all , had a nice day but just feel ...I want to drink. Really really want to. So have had AF Torres and done nails and filed lots of paper work and everything I can think of, to keep distracted. Off to bed soon. Can't drink once in bed!

LastGleaming · 07/03/2015 09:43

Is there an any more tedious job than filing paperwork Grin? Good for you for getting through last night glad, sometimes those little cravings come out of the blue. Bed is my little hideaway place too. Really must try to track down some of this Torres you all like.

My problem is I don't think I've ever really grown up and know how to deal with emotional pain as I've always used alcohol to drown it. I'm like an angsty teenager at times fgs but I'm getting there.

Right off to take the dc swimming and visit granny. Hope everyone has a lovely sober Saturday!

Lucy2610 · 07/03/2015 21:34

Sorry folks fell off thread there for a bit Hmm Glad context is difficult in forums I agree but we can't censor for those who are lurking as we can only write for who we are actually talking too!
Last I'm pretty convinced that I'm emotionally stunted too - drinking arrests our development at the age at which we start - so they say. Angsty teenager would be an improvement for me as sometimes I think I'm still stuck at toddler tantrums! Blush
Off to watch Better Call Saul with some AF Wine Grin

CornChips · 08/03/2015 08:10

Hi All..... hope you are having a good weekend. Hoping to take DH and DC to a lovely pub in the country today - I am driving of course. Nice to be able to do that! I meant to find the Torres wine, but have not yet done so.... that is THIS week's mission. :)

mollyonthemove · 08/03/2015 08:19

Good morning all! Well, according to my 'counter', I have 500 days today. It was nearly 499, as yesterday was so nice and sunny and lager-in-the-garden weather Grin I had to work for a few hours and it was a particularly irritating event which annoyed me so on leaving I had this image of ice cold lager and lime and a cigarette.... Obviously didn't but sometimes it just sneaks up doesn't it? grrr.

Planning on taking dd to a Women of the world event today for an hour or two - dependant on her mood- grumpy 9 year olds are the worst I think!

Oh emotionally stunted - absolutely! I 'lost' so many years and only just feel like an adult now. It makes me very cross but determined to make up for it. I am still very childlike in so many ways, and wish I could be a sensible grown up

Have a wonderful day everyone, embrace life!!!

HemanOrSheRa · 08/03/2015 10:05

500 days molly! That is ACE! Flowers.

Oh the Power Of Mumsnet! Think of a question and it will be answered! I was pondering over whether being emotionally stunted through drinking was possible on Thursday. DS had a small problem at school. A really silly thing but it was massive in his 10 year old head. I actually dealt with it like a grown up lady. Instead of just reacting like a teenager, blowing it out of proportion and reducing myself to a quivering wreck. I decided it probably was indeed possible and traced it back to when I started drinking, not for 'fun' if you know what I mean. But to choke down emotions and 'drown my sorrows'.

Soooo I'm about 19 in my head. I was in an abusive relationship (mostly emotional) from the age of 18 to 24. It took a bit longer to untangle myself after we'd split too (restraining orders etc) guess I've been stuck there for 20 years. I'm on my way to being a sensible, grown up 42 year old woman at last!

HemanOrSheRa · 08/03/2015 10:08

Oh! Cornchips. Asda sell the Torres wine as do Waitrose. It's cheaper in Asda though - £3.98 a bottle.

gladistopped · 08/03/2015 21:17

Oh blast just stocked up on Torres in Waitrose at 5 99 a bottle! Wish I had known about Asda!

I am stunted at about 14 then Sad. Dear god have been drinking for nearly 40 years! That is not great and it is a good job I have stopped.

gladistopped · 08/03/2015 21:19

Still Dry here, though - despite being an emotionally stunted person lol Wink

HemanOrSheRa · 08/03/2015 22:18

I'm still dry too glad. I'm not sure the feeling of a hangover free weekend will ever get old Smile. No more Sunday night collywobbles or regrets of wasted time. I haven't really done much this weekend. It's been about relaxing, eating, a bit of exercise Shock and recharging the batteries.

gladistopped · 09/03/2015 08:43

Congrats on 500 days AF Molly - sorry, I missed that last night, somehow Flowers

mollyonthemove · 09/03/2015 09:20

Thank you! Had a rubbish day in the end yesterday as my vertigo was very bad :( I am back to the docs tomorrow to see what else can be done if anything. The trouble is, I have an abnormal ear (won't go into it) which means that the usual methods of manipulation of the head (hmmm) won't work so I am a bit pissed off! Also concerned about flying as we're off to Portugal in two weeks (squeeee) Hopefully it will be ok.

I spoke to my mother yesterday and she is being all nice and normal which is quite hard to deal with. It's like she throws these hand grenades into my entire being then steps back and gets on with something else not even looking back to see what damage there is. I don't understand it - such an odd woman, and yet I know when she dies I will be devastated - how can that be??

She takes no responsibility for my drinking (I know I chose to do it, but surely anyone with any brains would see that maybe it started as a way to block out all the crap stuff?) just keeps telling me how awful it was for her when I was drinking so much and what a terrible mother I was to poor dd1 - I know that, don't need to be reminded! Funny how dd1 and I are so close. Something I will never have with her as there will never be any acceptance of wrongdoing. DD1 knows that I was unwell and we can talk it through. Yes, it's painful but it needs to be done. I couldn't bear the thought of any of my children feeling like I do when I'm 84.

Eek, sorry, just came on to say thank you! As usual an essay has evolved!

The warmer weather makes it a hard time to stay AF, so keep it up everyone!

CornChips · 09/03/2015 11:42

Hi everyone. :)

molly what you say about missing your mum when she dies..... it just made me think and I will share if that is okay. My DM was brought up in a very abusive household.... emotionally, physically, sexually, the whole catastrophe. Her mother was a very 'strong' woman - that's how she liked to see herself anyway. She was aggressive, opinionated, liked to think of herself as a matriarch. She played her children off each other, she expected them to jump at her every whim. My DM felt sure that when her M died, she would feel liberated and finally free of her. What happened, when she died though was that DM was distraught. I was still living at home then, and for what it is worth, my feeling is that my DM spent alot of her life trying to make things better with her DM... trying to 'fix' her mum, and 'fix' whatever was wrong with the relationship. Usually that manifested in DM being a doormat and trying to prove her worth to her mother. Once her mum died, my DM had no more chances to make the relationship into what she wanted it to be - it was all over. So she grieved the loss of the mother she wanted rather than the mother she had, and grieved her lost chances to make whatever was wrong 'right'.

That is just how I perceived it. From my perspective, no matter what DM did she could never 'fix' it. Her mother was a vain, bitter woman with a nasty streak. She abandoned her kids when my mum (youngest) was about 8. Then came back a few years later and enabled her husband to sexually abuse her children. (He was their father). She put her kids into roles.... my uncle was the scapegoat. My mother was the stupid slave at her beck and call.

I am musing, and it may not make much sense, but anyway, just one experience.

Thanks
mollyonthemove · 09/03/2015 12:02

That is horrible :( So many people go through such awful times. I understand that though - although my experience is nothing like as bad. I just want her to be 'normal', to talk freely and see us for who we are not as disappointments to her. She denies that she is disappointed but I know she is. I don't have a four bed detached house, a plumber for a husband and two Audis in the drive; we don't have her round all the time and take her shopping and for coffee in town like 'other women's daughters do'

Grin shudder!! Rather we have a three bed semi, dh works for the police, and a battered Nissan micra! As for shopping with her.......

Sad really.

Lucy2610 · 09/03/2015 19:08

Evening!
molly 500 days!!!! Flowers Cake Brew
corn and molly Both of the parents discussed sound like narcissists. My not so DM is also a narcissist. They don't see us as individuals - more as extensions of themselves and in my family I was the scapegoat and one of my sisters was the golden child. She would engage in all manner of negative abusive behaviours (gaslighting, using my siblings as 'flying monkeys' - just like The Wizard of Oz, triangulation, divide and conquer, gossiping, bait and switch) She always took the victim role and NEVER took responsibility for any wrongdoing on her part. We in turn tend to become people pleasers or empaths as we desperately try to make them happy which we can never do. It is really sad and psychologically can destroy people - which is why I have nothing to do with mine. She is toxic to me and my family and will never change. Sorry got a bit heavy there but have been thinking about this a lot over the week-end ....

HemanOrSheRa · 09/03/2015 19:57

Hmmm. I wonder how many women who have problems with alcohol had interesting, at best, relationships with their Mothers? I saw this pic on the Tired of Thinking About Drinking FB page the other day. It made me snort with laughter, sort of. But also made me feel sad and quite angry at the same time.

Dry 6
Lucy2610 · 09/03/2015 20:48

Indeed Heman Angry is how it's making me recently having spent decades suppressing the emotion. Getting sober has literally blown the cork out of the bottle of my squashed emotions and it probably needed to happen. Forgive and forget my arse for all the smear campaigns I have endured at her hands. Forgive the outburst Angry