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A Challenging Family Christmas? Make yourself at home here

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Hissy · 20/11/2014 14:48

While some have the christmas experiences shown in the adverts, others are starting to feel the impending doom of family festivities.

For some the pressure may have already started to build and this is a thread to support anyone who identifies with this sentiment.

This is a thread for you to come and just be, come and talk to us about it, we'll hear you and listen and understand.

Ongoing support for those of us with Problem Families, or family dynamics that make us feel sad/bad/mad is available as ever on the Stately Homes Thread

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Wordsaremything · 04/12/2014 19:41

What a relief to read that I am not alone. I have always hated Christmas, always, in the way that only those from dysfunctional families can understand. It means nothing to me on any level.

This Christmas it will be the aged widowed mother and me ( she's alienated everyone else) facing it out over a small chicken and a few token roast potatoes. I exchange no gifts, send no cards. It's amazing how they drop away after a few years. I have no kids, am not a Christian, loathe shopping, hate the tacky dishonest schmaltz of it and despise the consumerist excess.

I still have friends, who, amazingly, understand all this. I take care to keep in touch with people who matter to me throughout the year- don't need this annual schmaltz fest to remind me. Nor the need to exchange some hastily scrawled card or not so stealth boast round robin letter.

Once mother has dropped off her perch I have promised myself I will go far far away at this time of year - somewhere, anywhere, I can get away from it !

Fastcargirl · 04/12/2014 20:21

I feel detached from Christmas. My dad died the week before 10 years ago and I get flashbacks about turning of the ventilator. My DM has been continuously angry for those 10 years and I feel so claustrophobic at Xmas as she stays with me. My dad wasn't the best, verbally abusive, drunk, neglectful and horrible mood swings but he suffered so much after surgical complications. My DM sees him as an idol and my brother never mentions him. DM and I have a difficult relationship, she has never mentioned the cancer I had a few years ago for example, neither does she know I had severe depression. I tune out to her sarcasm but I can feel the stress. Thing is, it feels like a taboo to say how much I can't stand it to friends etc. I listen to others recount wonderful pre Xmas weekends they spend with friends, renting cottages, long walks with families and I don't feel jealous I just feel stressed. Xmas seems to compound the last 10 years. Plus I can't listen to Carols without crying.
Thank you for this thread. Wishing peace of mind for everyone.

Hissy · 04/12/2014 20:57

STDG darling please don't berate yourself for wishing an end to your lovely MIL's suffering.

my GM died last year, and toward the end I felt the same, she was clearly suffering, and when she died it was a relief for me, and i'm sure for her.

this bit is the worst bit. the waiting.

if you want to buy her a gift, buy her something she can take with her when she's buried/cremated. something to show her you love her.

we're here lovey, if you need hands to hold, that's what we're here for!

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Hissy · 04/12/2014 21:00

fastcar forgive yourself love, you did the right, compassionate and kindest thing.

sounds like you did more than he deserved.

your mother isn't a nice person, so stop expecting her to be. let go.

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Hissy · 04/12/2014 21:02

Words you're not alone love. :)

i'll notify the staff to ready your room at the Stately Home... :)

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perplexedpirate · 04/12/2014 21:15

Oh my goodness, hello, hello!
I'm so glad I've found you!
I am dreading this Christmas. DH and I have already had a steaming row about it, I had a panic attack on Monday (after not having a single one for over six monthsAngry) and I've been crying most of the evening.
I hate it just so SO much.
All I can think about is the wonderful people I can't share it with and the crappy state of the world that we're supposed to slap tinsel over and forget about.
Everything related to Christmas looks fake and hollow and gaudy.
I cannot wait for January. I've got big things planned and it's a whole fresh new year (this year has been fab til now too, tbh. I'm very lucky).
I would like very much to go to sleep now and wake up on January 1.

Fastcargirl · 04/12/2014 21:29

Hissy thank you. I'm working on it. I feel less social at Christmas than any other time of the year.

Wordsaremything · 04/12/2014 21:33

Oh Hissy that's so very kind. Just re-read my post and it sounded so sour when other people hate Christmas who normally wouldn't due to dreadful loss of some kind or another. I guess we all suffer in different ways. What's the earliest check in time :)

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 04/12/2014 21:50

Thank-you all so much - and thank-you for this thread and your kind words, Hissy - it has brought tears to my eyes, but good ones. Thanks

Hissy · 05/12/2014 07:45

there are many reasons why christmas is hard for some.

it could be that we are reminded of those we have lost, or those we never had in the first place. the schmaltz-fest on telly etc is designed for one reason and one reason only. to make us part with cash.

it's not our fault if we have an awful family, or the lovely family we had is no longer.

it's good to allow ourselves to feel the hurt/sadness, to understand it and then express it. in fact it's essential. it's allowing the truth of life/how we feel to come forward.

the sooner we allow ourselves to be truthful and honest with ourselves, the sooner we start to heal.

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perplexedpirate · 05/12/2014 18:15

I started crying in Asda today because the woman in front of me was buying some pretty wine glasses with snowflakes on.
I just imagined a happy little family sitting around the table on Christmas Day, smiling and laughing and drinking out of the pretty glasses and I was off. Poor check-out lady.
Blush
I am currently in the market for a grip.

Hissy · 05/12/2014 21:51

lovely pirate try not to do that 'imagining' thing eh?

we never know what's going on behind closed doors.

those glasses and that dream are what YOU want.

you can have them... really you can! xx

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 05/12/2014 22:29

MIL passed away this morning. It is a relief to know she is at peace now.

We might end up having the funeral on the 23rd.

Hissy · 05/12/2014 22:36

oh love, our condolences to you all.

she's not suffering now, and she's at peace. in the next few days you'll all come to terms with it all a little better.

when would a good time for the funeral be? would you prefer it to be later, or sooner?

it's so hard, I know. (((hug)))

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Darkesteyes · 05/12/2014 22:41

SDTG im so so sorry. My sympathies to you all. (((hug))) from me too Thanks

nicenewdusters · 06/12/2014 00:05

Sending you my condolences SDTG. Your op was very touching, at least your mother in law is no longer suffering. You were very lucky to have each other.

perplexedpirate · 06/12/2014 00:11

Thank you Hissy, my DH said the exact same thing! We WILL have it next year.
She could have buying them because someone smashed all the others for all I know, but every now and then my mind runs away with itself.
SDTG, I'm so sorry.
I don't know what else to say. Thanks

storynanny2 · 06/12/2014 00:47

Ive tried so hard to avoid being the "difficult" one that my eldest son has seen it as the green light to spend christmas with his partners parents for the past 8 years. I just nod and say have a lovely time but inwardly very sad as my middle son lives the other side of the world.
But it is a small disappointment now ive read some of the sad things on this thread. Hope you all get through the day as best as you can.

Meerka · 06/12/2014 10:55

SDTG condolances. I'm glad your MIL is painfree at last.

story, what happens if you ask them to stay with you for christmas?

storynanny2 · 06/12/2014 12:40

Meerka, the first few times I tentiively suggested/asked , my son told me that his partner still wants to spend Christmas Day with her parents and as he wants to spend it with her, there is no question of him not going there with her. They are visiting me for 2 days before and then spending 5 days with her family..... Not that I am counting of course. I know it is unfair on me but I am not going to cause any sort of rift as I don't see much of them as it is due to their busy city lives/jobs 2 hours away. I have read enough MIL threads to know how It could turn out.
If grandchildren come along .. I maybe will have to be bolder.
I have to tell myself it is only a day. Trouble is, it doesn't really work.
I have excellent, but distant in miles, relationships with my eldest sons and am so anxious not to spoil it. A few years ago my eldest son did say how much he appreciated the fact that I never made him feel awkward about holidays!!!! It has really backfired on me hasn't it?
Part of me is annoyed with his partners parents. I know if it was round the other way I would be encouraging more equal visiting.

It's a first world problem though for me.

Hissy · 06/12/2014 12:49

sounds like this is a DIL/PIL problem, not a ds problem.

how about you are a little bit bolder this year, to set the scene for next year? could you host HER parents too? taking the tack that you've been patient for 5 years but that it's usual to alternate, and you'd like to have them with you next year?

perhaps being too accommodating is what's your enemy here. I know, i'm just as guilty as the next person about voicing my own needs/wants.

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storynanny2 · 06/12/2014 13:06

Hissy, you are right about it being the other family issue. I can't invite them here as they live 4 hours away have an elderly relative and a married daughter with baby for xmas( therefore another set of parents of son who miss out on Christmas day) no way would they change that yearly arrangement. They are nice people but my patience may run out.
I've worked it out that it has actually happenened for the last 7 years plus the 3 before that the previous girlfriend had to be with with her parents on Christmas Day also. I think the last time We saw him on Christmas day was last year of university.
It's just another day.....

Meerka · 06/12/2014 16:12

story I do think it's reasonable for you to say that you'd really enjoy it if they came to you for one christmas. You appreciate that they ahve commitments elsewhere and it can't be every christmas, but you would like one every so often as most have been elsewhere. You won't be offended if they can't but it's something you would like.

That is not pressuring, but you're also communicating your own wishes clearly ... which you are entitled to do. It should be very clear that you're not going to be awkward if they can't. It may be that DIL does not actually realise how much you'd like them there.

couldhavebeenhappy · 06/12/2014 18:04

We were really looking forward to this Christmas since it is our DS's first. Then my DF announced he was coming. We decided to be firm for once and told him he could only come before Christmas and that this time it didn't suit us to have him staying with us. We felt this was a reasonable compromise and felt okay with it at least. Now he has messaged to tell me that he will leave on Boxing Day as tickets were cheaper then (lives at the other end of the country and doesn't drive) and has not had a look at accommodation yet. I know how this will end: he will phone a few days before and tell me he didn't find anywhere cheap to stay, so he will stay with us anyway.

The reason I really can't be okay with that is that he completely lacks boundaries. Last time he visited, when DS was newborn and was crying at night, DF opened our bedroom door, climbed into our bed and tried to pull DS off me while I was trying to BF. Every time DS cried he just took him off us and when we asked him to leave it or give him back he refused as he thought DS would be happier with him. Now, DS is still EBF and doesn't like being held by other people. He seems to be okay with it at first, but all of a sudden he starts screaming and is difficult to calm down, even when handed back to me or DP. Perhaps he is a bit of a high need baby, but I can honestly say that we very rarely find it a struggle and that we are relaxed and confident parents, as long as we get to do what works for us, which we won't get to do if my DF stays with us. We will get stressed about the tiniest noise from DS as we know that my DF will try to take him. I won't be able to go and BF in bed when DS is unhappy (always calms him down) since my DF will come and sit next to me, ready to take him if he doesn't latch on straight away. If I ask for some privacy he will just say that I should be comfortable to BF in front of people and to help me with that, he will stay. If I get angry with him he will accuse me of having PND and insist I accept his help. I might sound very paranoid, but really, this is how he is and every time he has visited it has turned out worse than we feared.

Therefore, I feel I would fail my DS if I let him stay with us and have decided I will say no if (when) he asks, even though he has paid for tickets, he's my DF, it's Christmas etc. I know I don't have a choice as it is my duty to keep my DS fed, happy and safe, but I feel terrible about treating my DF this way. He's my only parent, I'm his only child and he failed me in many ways when I was a child, so things are difficult. I know he feels very guilty about it and I think he comes here and treats me like a child to feel better about himself. I just want to move on and be happy, but I'm too scared to be completely honest with him because I don't know what he will do with himself when he realises that he missed his chance of being a proper parent and that we will never be as close as he wants us to be. I feel so bad about not being able to play along so he can feel better, but if I would, I would fail my new family. I feel so trapped and no matter what I do I always have to feel guilty, and this Christmas has really highlighted that.

Sorry about my long post, but I don't really have anyone in real life to talk to as DP has heard it all hundreds of times and other people just don't understand why I wouldn't want to spend Christmas with my DF.

GoodtoBetter · 06/12/2014 18:53

OMG, could that is sooooo not normal. You can't have him stay ever again-