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Should I indulge this fantasy?

142 replies

StandingOnTheEdge · 03/11/2014 21:09

NC'ed as I am usually fairly open on MN and probably easily recognisable. I've been here since the pombear dinner party thread.

I have become increasingly friendly with a bloke at work mostly over instant messenger. Initially I just thought of him as a friend but our messages have been getting more and more flirty. He has recently admitted that he is a dom and the things he writes about submissives have been a huge turn on. He has insisted that it is not about bullying or control but about giving a submissive pleasure and fulfilling her fantasy.

This is a huge fantasy of mine. And I am very tempted to take him up on it, but I'm very nervous. I think I can trust him. I just don't know if I will change my mind when it comes to it. I'm seeing him at work for the first time tomorrow since this all came out.

If anyone can offer advice, I'd appreciate it.

OP posts:
FrauHelga · 03/11/2014 23:12

I haven't read the book. Nor will I watch the film.

I get really upset with people who think this is some sort of game and I get so cross I lose the ability to formulate coherent thought.

FrauHelga · 03/11/2014 23:13

Fuckwittery - sure let her carry on then. She will if she wants to at the end of the day - she has free choice.

And if he isn't as honest and upright as he's letting on and it all goes tits up, at least I'll know I tried.

ellengeorgia · 03/11/2014 23:15

but it can be a game and it can be fun FrauHelga... not everyone does it the way you describe do they

FrauHelga · 03/11/2014 23:16

No, ellen, they don't. But the OP has no idea what sort of Dom this man is. Nor, indeed, what way he does it. He's telling her what she wants to hear at this point. Like a lot of texting men tell women, in and out of BDSSM, to be fair.

AnyFawker · 03/11/2014 23:16

Your thoughts were chillingly coherent, Frau. Shock Smile

Waltermittythesequel · 03/11/2014 23:19

come on! let her have her fun...

Seriously?

There are plenty of safe Doms out there, who know the score and have respect for their Subs and a good moral compass.

Then there are cruel, dangerous people who claim to be Doms in order to abuse their victims. Not subs. Victims.

This type of relationship requires a level of trust beyond that of mere acquaintances. How fun will it be if she's raped? Beaten? Even killed?

Don't be so ridiculous! It's not "fun". It's a choice and a decision not to be taken lightly.

And I haven't destroyed my brain cells by reading 50 Shades either but it seems to me that everyone thinks they can find a Christian Fucking Grey and 'save' him.

That crap is no real indication of the BDSM lifestyle and is quite insulting to the people I know who are into it.

FrauHelga · 03/11/2014 23:20

He's doing the same as a married man does to reel in a single woman with tales of my wife doesn't understand me and we will live happily ever after just not yet.

He's good at reading people, he's sussed her fantasy, and he's giving her what she wants to hear.

AnyFawker · 03/11/2014 23:21

Yup. The text might be slightly different, but the script is the same.

Momagain1 · 03/11/2014 23:21

He has been grooming you. It's not real. You are a target.

ellengeorgia · 03/11/2014 23:37

I said it can be fun if she is careful and gets to know him first. If it isn't fun why the hell do people do it. And now we're on to the married man reeling in the single woman again?
blimey change the record

FrauHelga · 03/11/2014 23:39

It is fun. For me, I like it. And the men I have relationships with like it too, or we wouldn't be in a relationship.

But he said this

"He has insisted that it is not about bullying or control but about giving a submissive pleasure and fulfilling her fantasy."

So, he's going to do it all for her and there's nothing in it for him?

I call bullshit.

And trust me, I've seen this MO hundreds of times on fetish sites. He might as well hang a sign around his neck, as far as I'm concerned.

Pandora37 · 03/11/2014 23:40

If this was any other guy, I'd say explore more. But someone you work with? No. NO. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. If you were pursuing a normal romantic relationship and this happened further down the line then that would be one thing but to jump straight into this I think is really a bad idea.

I've been involved in this myself to a mild degree. One time, when I was wearing a blindfold, the guy filmed me, which was absolutely not part of what I'd consented to. Obviously I couldn't see so I had no idea he was doing it and this was with someone I trusted. I'm overly paranoid now but you really, really need to be careful. Sorry to bring a tale of doom but I would never risk my career or professional reputation like this.

Now to indulge your work related BDSM fantasies you need to go and watch the film Secretary. It's got Maggie Gyllenhaal in and it's very good. Grin

Waltermittythesequel · 03/11/2014 23:43

If it isn't fun why the hell do people do it.

I didn't explain myself properly.

Of course it's fun but that doesn't mean it's something that should be taken lightly and certainly not with someone you

A) barely know and

B) work with

SelfLoathing · 03/11/2014 23:58

Surely all this is about is whether this man is the right person to explore her sexual interests with

Yes but there is a big spectrum of dominance/submission/BDSM. Someone who has never heard of a munch is not seriously into BDSM; you wouldn't need to have been to one to have heard of one!

And this is the problem.

A dom could mean: a very experienced practitioner of BDSM with very few hard limits. Hard limits can encompass all kinds of things that a lot of people have never heard of or would recoil from - use of electricity; cutting and bleeding; hard beating; cages; excrement and urine etc etc.

A dom could also mean: "I just like to think of myself of a masculine man who likes to be in control"

Between those two points there are a myriad of different options.

The same is true of describing yourself as submissive.

A sub could mean: an extreme gorean (google it if you want to) with no limits at all. It could mean a sub who wants to endure serious physical pain.

Equally a sub could mean: I read 50 Shades and think I am a bit turned on by a controlling man.

BDSM is all about trust and compatability. I wouldn't rely on IM Chat -because it's easy to pretend to be something you are not.

Also bare in mind if someone is tapping into some unexplored sexual fantasy of yours, in your head it will be doubly exciting. It's like a clock whirring round. You may be more excited that in is actually warranted because you think this is it; my one time chance. Unlikely to be true.

SelfLoathing · 04/11/2014 00:01

& if you go for it, make sure you agree a safe word.

FrauHelga · 04/11/2014 00:01

A safe word is useless if the Dom won't respect it. A safeword is also useless if she's gagged.

SelfLoathing · 04/11/2014 00:03

A safeword is also useless if she's gagged.

Drop ball, ribbon or bell or similar if required. Discussion is what I meant.

FrauHelga · 04/11/2014 00:04

Yes, Selfloathing, I agree.

But I don't believe this man is trustworthy.

Drumdrum60 · 04/11/2014 00:04

You are scaring me Frau!

FrauHelga · 04/11/2014 00:11

I am going to leave this thread.

I can't tell you all how many times I have seen this exact scenario play out on fetish sites.

Newbie sub comes on, posts something about being "new to the scene" and wanting to learn/explore.

I tried and tried to tell them and ... I'm going to repost part of a post I put on another thread

*I have posted on fetish sites extensively about the one twue way of dominance, about predatory doms who hunt out newbies and abuse them. I call them on it every time I see it happening. I don't go to certain groups - one because I was banned because I called the "group leader" out on his actions, towards a sub.

I wrote about consent. Over and over. Got it made a sticky in groups. Banged on and on and on about it til folks were fed up. Because, you know what, they don't want to listen. They come on fetlife and other sites posting about being a no limits sub and wanting abused. And when I would tell them to be careful what they wished for. That there were sick sad individuals who would not respect their boundaries and who would chew them up and spit them out.

I have, on occasion, walked a sub to her car to stop a predatory Dom walking her to her car. I have called an academic supervisor to tell them that a young student was putting herself in danger.

And there's only so much I can do.*

And that's it. I'm tired, I can't carry this on into here. I left the fetish sites because it was such an emotional drain on me. I can't protect those who want to try it and leave their common sense at the door of the bedroom.

Think about it. If a man of vague acquaintance suddenly started to tell you he was all into exactly what you were into, and he sounded too good to be true, would your instincts jangle? Have a titter of wit - they tell you what they want to hear to get into your knickers. Crude, but true. Only in BDSSM the risks are far far higher.

FrauHelga · 04/11/2014 00:12

Bolding fail.

SelfLoathing · 04/11/2014 00:16

But I don't believe this man is trustworthy.

What makes you say that?

This bit?

"He has insisted that it is not about bullying or control but about giving a submissive pleasure and fulfilling her fantasy."

Maybe just a way of saying he gets off on a sub who is into it?

I kind of know what you mean though as the essence of domination is really control (rather than bullying). In fact, just as I type, it occurs to me that the use of the word bullying in the context of a BDSM discussion is a bit odd.

But this may just be OP's paraphrasing? OP?

carlsonrichards · 04/11/2014 00:20

This sounds seriously fucked up and I'm glad you won't be doing this with some guy from work.

YoBitch · 04/11/2014 00:22

just the bit about being filmed while blindfolded and without my consent or knowledge freaked me out, never mind the rest of it Blush

LovesPeace · 04/11/2014 00:35

Never mix work and kinky pleasure.

I'm in a D/s relationship (been a few years now), and my Dom was long established on the 'scene'. Before anything happened, he insisted I discuss every last aspect of my likes/dislikes, my soft and hard limits. And he's respected them. Mind you, I also sought references from his previous subs, particularly because he identifies as a sadist. I'm careful, me!

But you can't be too careful - there's endless predatory men/women around.